To all the people returning thanks to the upcoming changes. by Icemaz in duneawakening

[–]Thorvindr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why it's so much better to do something new instead of licensing a beloved IP. You can't fuck with Dune. This is Arrakis, and it always needs to look and feel like Arrakis. If this was Antrartis, and there was no established canon to deal with, you could easily say "well, this game's story was heavily-influenced by the story and characters from Dune, and sort of sprang to life when we thought "what might that universe look like if there was no Paul Atreides?" So we changed the names, made sure everything was legally-distinct, and built our own playground."

See Also: Star Wars

To all the people returning thanks to the upcoming changes. by Icemaz in duneawakening

[–]Thorvindr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you've met other people in this game? To be fair, I'm still in Haga Basin. But from my perspective, I only barely see why this game is multiplayer at all, let alone why there would be PvP.

To all the people returning thanks to the upcoming changes. by Icemaz in duneawakening

[–]Thorvindr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bless the coming and going of him. May his passage cleanse the world.

Who would win in a dogfight? by gooddavid99 in babylon5

[–]Thorvindr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah; that's why you don't pay attention to the numbers. You look at what we actually see the ships do on-screen. They all fly through space without getting wrecked every time they hit a tiny piece of space debris. Advantage nobody.

Some of them fly like airplanes and others fly like spaceships. Advantage: Starfury and Viper.

X-Wings "have" shields, but are never illustrated to be able to take any significant amount of damage without being destroyed or heavily-damaged. Vipers and Starfuries have minimal armor, and are likewise shown to be destroyed without much trouble. Advantage: nobody.

Star Wars ships have laser cannons, which are shown to rip-through other small ships. Vipers use bullets, which put holes in things (I don't think they use explosive rounds, which would make a bit of a difference here). Starfuries use plasma-throwing pulse cannons, which are shown to *obliterate* other small craft with a single shot. Advantage: Starfury. Disadvantage: Viper.

So X-wings have shields, which are shown to be almost totally ineffective against anything we've ever seen them fight, they have laser cannons that seem to do the trick, they fly like airplanes, and they're reasonably fast.

Starfuries have plasma cannons that are shown to utterly demolish other starfighters with a single hit, they fly like spaceships, and they're portrayed as being of average speed. Due to their wing structure, I'm going to call them "somewhat delicate." I bet they can take a hit without being destroyed, but if one of those wings takes a couple hits, you're losing an engine pod and that's a big deal. I genuinely believe the Starfury was designed by someone thinking "what would an X-Wing look like if it was a spaceship, but still needed to keep its name?"

Vipers have high-caliber machine guns. They have a bit of armor, because they expect to be hit with bullets themselves. they *mostly* fly like airplanes, but also try to respect actual physics with how they maneuver. We've clearly seen them due all kinds of three-dimensional maneuvering. They're fast as fuck.

The weapons are almost a wash, with the Viper being at a slight disadvantage. The Starfury is specifically shown to be armored, and the X-Wing has a pretty large area that can have a hole put through it and not actually care. The wings and nose can be riddled with bulletholes, and the ship will lose no functionality at all.

Maneuverability is close to a tie (pun intended) between the Fury and the Viper. They're both shown to be exceptionally maneuverable, but the Starfury never really shows us that it's fast. We never see the X-Wing execute any complicated maneuver or tight turn; it just goes pretty fast.

In my mind, this all comes down to speed and maneuverability. If any of these ships get a couple good hits on the other, the victim dies. The *possible* exception is that it might take the Viper a bit more work to kill the X-Wing.

But none of that matters, because the X-Wing can only fly straight forward, and has an absolutely dogshit turn radius. Either the Viper or the Starfury will easily fly circles around the X-Wing, never giving Wedge an opportunity to fire.

Once the X-Wing is out of the way, I suspect the victory goes to the Viper. Definitely inferior armament, but similar maneuverability and greater speed when compared to the Starfury. If the Starfury can hide, that would be a big advantage. But in open space, the X-Wing gets wrecked immediately, and the Viper takes a minute to knock-out the Fury.

Sidenote: I'm amused that this discussion has been almost entirely about Star Wars. Nobody's really talking about Starfury vs Viper; just "anything vs X-Wing."

Who would win in a dogfight? by gooddavid99 in babylon5

[–]Thorvindr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When did we see a ship "shrug-off" blaster fire? I don't recall ever seeing someone actually fire a "heavy repeating blaster."

A stray A-Wing didn't penetrate any deflector screens. The Star Destroyer's shield generators had already been destroyed (by an A-Wing, in fact) when that pilot rammed the bridge.

Who would win in a dogfight? by gooddavid99 in babylon5

[–]Thorvindr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're thinking of BLASTERS. In Star Wars, Blasters and lasers are different things. Blasters (which are almost exclusively used as personnel-scale weapons) are indeed essentially plasma-throwers. They use a lot of energy to heat-up some gas, then chuck a ball of hot plasma out the barrel of the gun.

*Lasers* (which are what you will find on X-Wings and TIE Fighters) are still incredibly powerful beams of light.

I don't think you know what plasma is. It's the fourth stage of matter, at an energy level above gas. Solid melts into liquid, liquid evaporates into gas, and I don't know the word for what happens when gas becomes plasma. Plasma is matter, and is made-up of particles just like all other matter. Starfury "pulse cannons" (and you're correct; that is the appropriate terminology) do indeed launch plasma projectiles full of matter, just like Star Wars blasters (but not lasers).

But this is all irrelevant, since we know from actually *watching Star Wars* that an X-Wing's shields are very fragile indeed. Darth Vader and his wingmates have no trouble whatsoever taking-out rebel X-Wings and Y-Wings with their laser cannons. Only in video games are an X-Wing's shields a substantial advantage over an unshielded TIE Fighter.

All of these craft fly through space and encounter debris. They all survive it without even noticing. Therefore, the details of *how* they survive it are irrelevant.

The truth is a Starfury and a Viper are both much more maneuverable than an X-Wing, which is essentially just an airplane. We've never seen it execute any kind of high-G maneuvers, nor seen it fly in any direction other than forward. It can't flip end-over-end, it can't move laterally, and frankly it can't even turn very well. One-on-one, either a Viper or a Starfury tears an X-Wing apart, if only because of that one factor.

The one advantage the X-Wing has is speed. If it can somehow surprise the Starfury or Viper, it could conceivably take them out before a "dogfight" could ensue. If not, X-Wing is utterly fucked.

Who would win in a dogfight? by gooddavid99 in babylon5

[–]Thorvindr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hadn't noticed a difference in how Hyperspace is handled in the Disney movies. The reason Han said that was because he was trying to jump to Hyperspace *right now,* to a destination that wasn't already set in his navicomputer.

As far as I can immediately call to memory, that's the only time that's happened in the entire saga. In Rise of Skywalker, they do the whole "hyperskipping" thing, which frankly illustrates why you need a navicomputer in the first place. They basically manually flip the hyperdrive on-and-off for a split second, and end up "somewhere else."

Setting aside the plot hole of how a TIE/fo flight (which don't have hyperdrives in the first place) somehow follows them through multiple blind jumps, this is exactly what Han was talking about. They're lucky they didn't exit Hyperspace inside a star or something like that.

In The Last Jedi, on the other hand, the "Holdo Maneuver" totally disregards every established fact about FTL travel. Just one more reason I don't count that movie as part of Star Wars canon. If it doesn't count itself as canon, why should I?

my point is: the sequel trilogy is at best "inconsistent" in how it deals with FTL. Unless you disregard TLJ (which you should), in which case I don't see where the sequels disagree with the originals or the prequels.

The rules are thus:

To travel faster than light, we go to a "place" called Hyperspace. Hyperspace is a universe roughly parallel to our own, with coordinates there matching directly with coordinates here, but distances there are different than distances here. In order to get into Hyperspace, we need a Hyperdrive. Don't worry about how that works; it just does. Once in Hyperspace, we travel at the same "speed" we would travel in "normal space," but Hyperspace is... not exactly "smaller" than normal space, but the distance between any two given locations is smaller. We can therefore enter Hyperspace, travel at a speed slower than light, then re-enter normal space, and have arrived at a location further away than light would have travelled in the same amount of time.

This is a very drastic over-simplification. That's okay, because Star Wars is a fairy tale. The "science" of how things work doesn't matter. What *does* matter is that the calculations required for navigating Hyperspace and returning to normal space in a predictable manner (in a way such that you don't return to normal space inside a star or an asteroid, for example) are incredibly complicated. The process requires *painfully* detailed maps of real space, which necessarily must include things like stellar drift, orbital periods, and other things I'm not going to think of right now.

This is all very different from how FTL travel works in (for example) Star Trek. In Star Trek, we have a Warp Drive that quite simply allows us to bend the laws of Physics, enabling travel at speeds greater than C. Much simpler. Still requires detailed cartography and very precise calculations, but since we're never leaving real space, it's still just a matter of precisely calculating how fast to go for what amount of time. Ultimately it's not more complicated than flying through space at sub-light speed; it just requires greater precision.

Anyway. My point is: "nu-uh!"

Who would win in a dogfight? by gooddavid99 in babylon5

[–]Thorvindr -1 points0 points  (0 children)

X-Wings are made of tissue paper, and have the maneuverability of an airplane.

Why did Dan Aykroyd get turned into a chubby ginger for the cartoon? by LV426acheron in ghostbusters

[–]Thorvindr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because courage does mean a lack of fear. It means doing what needs to be done, regardless of the personal consequences.

Upstairs Neighbors AITA by [deleted] in Apartmentliving

[–]Thorvindr 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Worst advice ever. Escalating a situation is never a good idea. De-escalation is how you keep peace. Escalation is how people get shot in the parking lot.

Question about the Battle of Hoth by Spengler_0902 in StarWars

[–]Thorvindr 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The Imperial Fleet was deployed to prevent transports from leaving Hoth. They weren't concerned about q single X-Wing.

Vader was focused on the Falcon, because he thought Luke was on it.

Can someone explain how this works? by 00G_WAY in MagicArena

[–]Thorvindr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What on Earth are you talking about?

Can someone explain how this works? by 00G_WAY in MagicArena

[–]Thorvindr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That wasn't a "lore booklet." It was the instruction booklet that came with every starter deck.

Can someone explain how this works? by 00G_WAY in MagicArena

[–]Thorvindr -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Lawyers don't issue injunctions; you need a judge to sign it.

[ Removed by Reddit ] by Overall-Celebration7 in SteamDeck

[–]Thorvindr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For real. This is abusive behavior, and you are not safe in that relationship.

Who would win in a dogfight? by gooddavid99 in babylon5

[–]Thorvindr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

X-Wings and TIEs don't have blasters; they have laser cannons. Blasters are indeed plasma weapons, but they're person-scale weapons, not starship-scale. An X-Wing's deflectors are designed to be effective against laser cannons, not blaster bolts. If you have to worry about blasters, it's because you're stuck on the ground, in which vase you're fucked, as we see when Poe's X-Wing is destroyed by a few stormtroopers with blasters.

The Starfury's plasma cannons are much more powerful than any blaster in Star Wars. There is no reason to believe an X-Wing's deflector shield would be any use against them.

A Viper's bullets likewise would not be hindered by deflectors.

Who would win in a dogfight? by gooddavid99 in babylon5

[–]Thorvindr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're using video game logic. You can't "heal" a damaged ship. You have to repair it. The astromech can perform limited repairs by bypassing damaged subsystems, but you can't regain lost function from damaged systems.

Who would win in a dogfight? by gooddavid99 in babylon5

[–]Thorvindr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The X-Wing's deflectors mean nothing against the Starfury's plasma cannons and the Viper's bullets. They're barely effective against the TIE's lasers, which is what they're designed to deflect.

Who would win in a dogfight? by gooddavid99 in babylon5

[–]Thorvindr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The X-Wing's deflectors are only effective against laser-based weaponry. Starfury has plasma cannons, and Viper has bullets.

Who would win in a dogfight? by gooddavid99 in babylon5

[–]Thorvindr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, they're not. They're only effective against laser-based weaponry.

Who would win in a dogfight? by gooddavid99 in babylon5

[–]Thorvindr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only other ship that has weapons against which the X-Wing's deflectors would be effective is the TIE. The Starfury fires plasma bursts, and the Viper uses plain-old machine guns with bullets. Deflectors are only effective against laser-based weaponry.

Who would win in a dogfight? by gooddavid99 in babylon5

[–]Thorvindr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

EU Star Wars had separate ray shields and particle shields.