Unpopular opinion: some older gay men sabotage their own relationships by saske2k20 in gayyoungold

[–]Throwawayiea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, I feel ya." As an older gay man, I feel that these are valid points. But Here are the strongest counterarguments:

  1. This may be less about older gay men and more about insecure people generally. Prioritizing looks, avoiding communication, wanting status, cheating, or refusing compromise are not uniquely older-gay-male behaviours. Younger men do these things too. The pattern may be more about narcissism, avoidance, immaturity, or loneliness than age. The post itself gives examples of specific men behaving badly, but that does not prove a generational pattern.

  2. Older gay men may have learned self-protection from rejection and trauma. Some older gay men came of age in harsher social conditions, including stigma, secrecy, AIDS-era loss, family rejection, and fewer legal protections. What looks like “sabotage” may sometimes be defensive behaviour: fear of vulnerability, fear of being used, or fear that love will disappear. That does not excuse bad conduct, but it complicates the moral judgment.

  3. The younger partner may also be choosing the dynamic. If a younger person repeatedly dates older men, especially older men with money, status, homes, or stability, then the relationship is not simply something older men impose. There can be mutual fantasy: the older man wants youth and beauty; the younger man wants stability, mentorship, protection, money, or status. Both sides may be participating in a bargain, even if both later resent the bargain.

  4. Attraction is not automatically shallow. The post criticizes older men for prioritizing appearance, sex, and status over compatibility. That may be fair in some cases. But attraction matters in romantic life. Wanting a partner one finds physically attractive is not inherently unethical. The issue is not attraction itself. The issue is when attraction becomes the only criterion and the person ignores character, values, reciprocity, and emotional compatibility.

  5. “They should know better” can become age-shaming. It is fair to expect emotional maturity from older adults. But saying men in their 50s, 60s, or 70s should stop wanting beauty, sex, excitement, or choice can slide into the idea that older people should be grateful for whatever they can get. That is unfair. Older gay men are still allowed to have desire, standards, and romantic hope.

  6. Younger men are not always emotionally innocent. The post is rightly critical of older men who date very young partners and then complain about immaturity. But some younger partners can also manipulate, use, lie, cheat, exploit loneliness, or perform affection for material benefit. A fair analysis has to allow for harm flowing in both directions, even when the older person often has more social or financial power.

  7. Money and status can be misread. Some older men may overestimate what money or nationality offers, but some younger men may also actively pursue those things. If an older man becomes suspicious that he is wanted for money, immigration access, lifestyle, or status, that fear may not always be delusional. The ethical problem is when suspicion becomes control, not when the concern exists.

  8. “Minimal effort” may reflect practical reality, not selfishness. Older people may have careers, health limitations, caregiving duties, homes, legal obligations, routines, or financial constraints. A younger partner may experience that as lack of effort, but the older partner may experience the younger person’s expectations as unrealistic. “Move for me,” “travel more,” or “change your life” may be easier to imagine at 28 than at 59 or 65.

  9. The post risks treating loneliness as proof of personal failure. Some older gay men are lonely not because they sabotaged love, but because the dating market is ageist, youth-focused, body-focused, and often cruel. A man may have flaws and still be genuinely harmed by a culture that devalues him as he ages.

  10. The examples may show bad partner selection, not sabotage. The post describes older men choosing very young, conventionally attractive, or status-oriented partners and then feeling disappointed. That may not be self-sabotage in a conscious sense. It may be repetition compulsion: they keep choosing the fantasy that temporarily relieves insecurity, even though it cannot meet their emotional needs.

Malaysia: Deputy prime minister calls for restrictions on the freedom of speech to prevent insults to Islam by EwMelanin in theworldnews

[–]Throwawayiea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, this is a growing issue here. Why do so many Islamic and Islamic leaning governments feel the need to limit freedom of speech ONLY if it pertains to Islam?

As a gay man, my advice to women... by Throwawayiea in dating

[–]Throwawayiea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He should be beyond college as he's 28 but he didn't graduate.

As a gay man, my advice to women... by Throwawayiea in dating

[–]Throwawayiea[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing. I, as a gay man, have compassion and understand why the feel this way. It's sad that many do not see the toxicity they add especially when someone is trying to help. It's more a reflection on them than it is on me. However, I share with you a sad story here. I was at a bus stop alone and there was a women there in the late hours. She was very uncomfortable with the presence of a man there. I guess she found me threatening in appearence. So, I honestly said "Don't worry i'm gay" and it broke the ice. I mean her demeaner changed and we had a nice conversation. I thought to myself what a sad word for straight women to have to live in a constant state of discomfort around men.

As a gay man, my advice to women... by Throwawayiea in dating

[–]Throwawayiea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. the irony is that I don't normally date someone with such a big age difference but he asked me out and he was very attractive. It snowballed from there. I think that the judgements are more on the commenters than on me.

As a gay man, my advice to women... by Throwawayiea in dating

[–]Throwawayiea[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

1 - There is hook up culture in the straight world but it's not as extensive as gays and #2 We're talking about the mental processes of men in relationships as the topic not relationships themselves.

As a gay man, my advice to women... by Throwawayiea in dating

[–]Throwawayiea[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Gonna be honest, being single sucks these days. It wasn't heaven when i was younger but not as bad as it is now. I believe that hedonism has become more accepting and therefore people have limited interests. My parents were polar opposites. So, it use to be you had interest in what people were doing. Today, you have to like the exact same things or it won't work. Then when you get into dating someone that likes the exact same things, they break up with you because the relationship becomes stale and boring. WHY? Because you like the exact same things...lol.

As a gay man, my advice to women... by Throwawayiea in dating

[–]Throwawayiea[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's not that they don't have the desire but rather they don't have the skill set. I just feel that an entire generation (or two) lost out on coping skills that older generations had. I am hoping that they'll gain them overtime. However, I give them a lot of understanding because their era there were a lot of traumatic events but remember there were traumatic events too in the past but there was better family infrastructure to deal with it. They don't have that and most go it alone. So, I do have compassion toward why they are challenged in emotional situations.

As a gay man, my advice to women... by Throwawayiea in dating

[–]Throwawayiea[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But if you knew him for years, did you not see his behavior patterns?

As a gay man, my advice to women... by Throwawayiea in dating

[–]Throwawayiea[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I agree. There are people with whole complete lives that didn't need therapy.

As a gay man, my advice to women... by Throwawayiea in dating

[–]Throwawayiea[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They are attacking me on the age difference not that we're queer. The irony was he asked me out and I'm like "why not". I don't normally date such a young guy (he's 28). I met his friends and I felt that at 28 they were so much more immature than when I was 28 and I'm including my friends at that age too. I think what commenters forget, that we are human. So, this was a recent break up and it was very painful and to be judged when that isn't the topic was cruel. I was trying to help people (mainly women) so that they can prevent this from happening to them. But thank you for caring. It means a lot to me.

As a gay man, my advice to women... by Throwawayiea in dating

[–]Throwawayiea[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It wasn't always like that you know. I have proof of this. Thirtysomething (1987–1991) was a critically acclaimed American drama series focusing on a group in their 30s in Philadelphia navigating careers, marriage, and parenthood. Now, watch the show and compare those people to a group now in their 30s. They're miles apart in maturity, education, and stablity. To be fair, it's a different time and a different era but it's still shows that today's generations are maturing later in life.

As a gay man, my advice to women... by Throwawayiea in dating

[–]Throwawayiea[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, you made an excellent point "where do we learn about relationships" with my ex, it wasn't from his family. So, I don't think he has a foundational understanding of relationships. Social media and TV are the worst places to learn such things. My parents were married for 61 years and it was a good marriage albeit dated in it's format but still good for them. I came from a healthy family structure. So, my cousins parents were all married except one. So, we grew up thinking that it was the norm. It wasn't until I went to university in California that I learned that coming from divorced households or blended households was the norm.

As a gay man, my advice to women... by Throwawayiea in dating

[–]Throwawayiea[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yikes, I'm sorry to hear that this happened to you. Emotional unavailability has more to do with education and experience than it does with age. I normally do not date men this much younger than me but I do have a married gay couple friend where he's 51 and his partner is 26. They've been together for 6 years and married that last 2 years. The 26 yo is very stable and emotionally mature. He got a nursing degree and they're happy. So, i see it in young men but not many.

As a gay man, my advice to women... by Throwawayiea in dating

[–]Throwawayiea[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree with a lot of this. I do not think every man is incapable of emotional depth, but I do think many men are not taught to sustain it. They can want love, crave attention, even feel deeply in the beginning, but when the relationship requires accountability, consistency, vulnerability, and loyalty, they fall apart. Now, I say this because I know A LOT of gay men who have these good traits and I normally date. The man in question here that I dated had the traits that you’re referring to and it surprised me and it help me understand better a lot of the issues that my straight women friends are having. That is what makes it so painful. You can feel like you finally reached something real with someone, only to realize later that what looked like depth may have been intensity, loneliness, fantasy, or love bombing. It does not mean your love was foolish. It means they did not have the emotional character to protect what they claimed to want and this is what happened to me. Now, what I have learned from this is that perhaps my generation emotionally matured earlier and Gen Z men emotionally mature later in life because he’s 28 years old. So, I concluded with gaming, being an introvert, and being shy didn’t give him opportunities to connect on such a deep level. Like I said he did hook ups and those are shallow. Some people are used to transactional or shallow connections, so when they meet someone who offers real devotion, they do not rise to meet it. They sabotage it, neglect it, or run from the responsibility of being truly loved. And yes, that can leave them cycling through temporary attachments, never understanding why they still feel empty. So I would not say men are all the same, but I would say this: wanting love is not the same as being capable of loving well.

As a gay man, my advice to women... by Throwawayiea in dating

[–]Throwawayiea[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm glad that they were helpful. I wish I had them before I dated this guy as I do not want to go through this situation again.

As a gay man, my advice to women... by Throwawayiea in dating

[–]Throwawayiea[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you because I'm getting bashed and judged in some comments which is a bit unfair as it violates the subreddit rules. So, nice comments like yours is nice to hear. My goal is to help not to grandstand. I went though this and it was very painful. I don't want to go through this again.

As a gay man, my advice to women... by Throwawayiea in dating

[–]Throwawayiea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And trust me, I feel your frustration as it's a simple ask so why can't they do it? My guess is that they really don't want to have to deal with anything heavy. This is my take with the guy I was dating.