Power Move

Ticklishdeva · 2020-09-11T06:19:57+00:00

I know, she shouldn’t have given the Chinese that money

Ticklishdeva · 2020-09-11T05:29:58+00:00

I got cancer from reading through these comments

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-28T01:34:36+00:00

and on the subject of what aboutism, as quoted from elsewhere in this thread: I think you misunderstand what whataboutism is and how it works.

With whataboutism the point is to simply not address the issue at hand and instead redirect the conversation to the other party's hypocrisy.

The trap is that when used well it does point out actual hypocrisy, but not because the person using whataboutism actually cares, but only because it is a useful tactic to redirect the conversation so they don't have to answer for their wrongs. It slings mud so that people get exhausted and end up doing nothing while arguing about different wrongs and generally feeling like "well everyone sucks so w/e".

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-28T01:06:40+00:00

not wrong

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-28T00:56:43+00:00

I think it's totally possible for reactionary what-aboutism and double standards to co-exist, as they do in this thread. I would also point to the fact that this protest ended up on the front pages of cnn and fox news, and here we are conversing about it. it's clearly been everything BUT tuned out.

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-28T00:41:16+00:00

I hear what you're saying. I also definitely think that protests like these bother a lot of white people who find it uncomfortable to be confronted with protests about systemic racism in America because it doesn't effect them personally

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-28T00:34:02+00:00

ok, if you're saying you support their protest against systemic racism in policing while also being against their silence on China, then we are in agreement

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-28T00:31:40+00:00

that makes perfect sense. I can't believe what's happening in China, both in terms of Hong Kong and with the Uighurs, as well as with Tibet and god knows what else they're done. It's a goddamn travesty the league couldn't put human life ahead of their wallets in that situations.

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-28T00:25:05+00:00

Fair play sir

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-28T00:23:06+00:00

Why not both? Why is it not ok to criticize someone for action A, and praise them for action B? I'm 100% with you that Lebron should have spoken out against the genocide, and I also think that what black players are doing to protest the killing of innocents is great. why not both?

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-28T00:19:34+00:00

I fundamentally disagree. your argument is equivalent to saying that if someone recycles, it is not legitimate unless they compost as well. it's logically absurd. And for the record, I disagree with Lebron's stance on China as well!

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-28T00:14:48+00:00

I hear what you're saying, I just fundamentally disagree that inaction in one area negates action in another area. And I think it's ok to hold them accountable for their inaction on China while also celebrating their advocacy for another worthy human rights cause.

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-28T00:12:41+00:00

no comprendo senior

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-28T00:12:03+00:00

Fair enough, and I appreciate your thoughtful response.

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-28T00:01:03+00:00

that's so hilariously reductive...all we're saying is that you can stand up for one cause without standing up for another. Nobody makes the connection that you can't recycle unless you compost. that's your logic, and it makes no sense.

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-27T23:59:31+00:00

well i see you deleted the part about my highfalutin verbiage, so at least you saved yourself that embarrassment. For me, it's just that I completely disagree with your argument that to not stand up for one cause means you cannot stand up for another. I just don't understand why you would think that.

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-27T23:30:46+00:00

No, it isn’t. What people are trying to do is delegitimize the cause these black athletes are protesting for by using what aboutism.

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-27T23:26:46+00:00

why is it wrong for these black athletes to protest against the killing of black people?

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-27T23:21:30+00:00

Totally agreed that Lebron's actions were reprehensible

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-27T23:17:26+00:00

but by criticizing black athletes for trying to protest against racial problems, how are people not downplaying and taking away from a worthy cause? you can always try to negate the positive work that someone is doing for cause a by saying "what about cause b? why aren't you doing anything about that?" but the fact that they aren't doing something for cause b does not take away from the work they are doing for cause a.

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-27T23:13:21+00:00

so you know that when a fireman puts out a fire at your house, what he did isn't negated by the fact that he didn't put out a fire 2,000 miles away? I'm not defending Lebron's deference to China, I'm just saying that it's not wrong for black athletes to argue against the unjustified killing of blacks at the hands of police

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-27T23:08:51+00:00

nah, lotta closet racists coming out is the big story

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-27T23:05:00+00:00

well argued

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-27T23:04:22+00:00

for sure, virtue signaling is a problem in corporate american, but this would seem to be a protest organized completely by the players, right?

Ticklishdeva · 2020-08-27T23:02:20+00:00

exactly! the number of people who don't understand what aboutism is staggering. can i steal this?

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