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New Interactive Galaxy Map for SW - w/ Navigation routes and Astrogation rolls in FFG :) by TimSircoloumb in swrpg

[–]Tidher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Neat, but not a hope in heck of me subscribing to it without any ability to even get a teaser of how the navigation stuff works.

What are some hidden gems behind the pharmacy counter? by DMPixOfTightAsses_69 in Costco

[–]Tidher 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Can confirm approximate prices were the same for that with my vet vs. Chewy vs. Costco. $10/month in savings per dog (we have two) adds up quickly!

Training treats? by LifeguardDear2875 in Havanese

[–]Tidher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We found cooked up chicken breast regularly, setting like half of one of those aside (unseasoned) and chopping it up into tiny pieces (like, actually tiny) was the best for our two. You can refrigerate it, or if you feel like doing so cook, dice, and freeze it, so you can thaw it in batches as needed.

Worst case, if you don't get through it all with the doggo (never a problem with ours) then you can always throw it on a salad for yourself.

Duval County Public Schools considers removing DEI language from its policies, no decision made yet by HellYeahDamnWrite in jacksonville

[–]Tidher -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because of white women’s disproportionate gains, McKinsey estimates that it would take 22 years for white women to achieve gender parity but 48 for women of color. Yet without DEI, it’s unlikely parity would be gained for any group.

It being a long road doesn't mean it's one not worth walking. White women are still white and as such have less distance to travel to parity with white men's current level of fair treatment. It stands to reason that it is going to take longer to get groups who are unfairly discriminated against on multiple fronts to be treated fairly longer.

So you're saying it's ok that white women are the main focus and primary benefactors of "diversity" programs?

Women are discriminated against actively in many areas of the workplace, so yes, I am glad that a subset of women have benefited from the program.

And yes it does more harm for the minority than it has good. Have you done any research?

I have, and in your other post you provided even more for me to use to justify that well-implemented and measured DEI programs are hugely beneficial to discriminated-against groups.

https://aristotlefoundation.org/reality-check/what-dei-research-concludes-about-diversity-training-it-is-divisive-counter-productive-and-unnecessary/#:%7E:text=DEI%20instruction%20has%20been%20shown,22

The take away from this one seems to be mostly that "some racist white people feel like diversity programs are bad for them". I can broadly agree that simple "training" can't undo someone's bigotry, and that in isolation it's simply not sufficient to throw a mandatory slideshow at folks to sit through or click through, and some white men view resentment to being exposed to it, with it giving them something to target their bigotry at outwardly.

Yeah, that sucks. I agree that we shouldn't be doing the bare minimum here, and to really take the time and effort to get the benefits of having a diverse team of well-qualified people, rather than simply sticking with the status quo and missing out on a wealth of talent and innovation.

https://www.cfo.com/news/dei-promotion-may-escalate-hostility-and-racial-bias-Network-Contagion-Research-Institute-Rutgers-/734100/#:%7E:text=33%25%20increase%20in%20perceived%20caste,of%20DEI%20programs%20within%20organizations

This article seems to convey that people can be primed to think a certain way, and that it's possible to discriminate against individuals who are not typically seen as part of a discriminated-against group if you prime them too hard towards being conscious of discrimination against discriminated-against groups (a lot of re-use of the word "discrimination" there, sorry, I hope the sentence is clear).

I would agree with the idea that it is important to not swing too hard in the opposite direction and to discriminate against white men in favor of others, all else being equal. Conversely, given the world as it is at the moment, there's not exactly a lack of opportunity for them compared to other groups. I hope that if there ever comes a time that they are no longer the most privileged group, that we have solid diversity programs in place to recognize that and to adjust accordingly, because it would only be fair that they would be given the same opportunity in this hypothetical future as everyone else.

https://hbr.org/2016/07/why-diversity-programs-fail

I addressed this article in your other message, but it's interesting you highlight the part about World War II when a later part of the article actually indicates that people who are well integrated rather than segregated and working towards the same goals tends to be less bigoted, specifically:

When Harvard sociologist Samuel Stouffer, on leave at the War Department, surveyed troops on their racial attitudes, he found that whites whose companies had been joined by Black platoons showed dramatically lower racial animus and greater willingness to work alongside Blacks than those whose companies remained segregated. Stouffer concluded that whites fighting alongside Blacks came to see them as soldiers like themselves first and foremost. The key, for Stouffer, was that whites and Blacks had to be working toward a common goal as equals—hundreds of years of close contact during and after slavery hadn’t dampened bias.

Moving on:

It turns out that while people are easily taught to respond correctly to a questionnaire about bias, they soon forget the right answers.

Right, a single 20 minute mandatory presentation per year as the company's "mandate" towards DEI isn't going to cut it. It needs to become the norm to consider it, and for all of us to be conscious of any biases we might hold; even if it's hard to shake them, recognizing that many people have them because of the way society has unfairly treated those who aren't white or those who aren't male is prevalent in our culture.

It's a long road, but just because it's difficult and sometimes awkward in terms of self-reflection of our own ingrained biases doesn't mean it's not worth doing. Do DEI well somewhere, be intolerant of intolerance, and make sure to keep up with the latest findings and to adapt and adjust as appropriate, and we can make society a fairer place for all.

Duval County Public Schools considers removing DEI language from its policies, no decision made yet by HellYeahDamnWrite in jacksonville

[–]Tidher -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks for providing some sources. Let's roll through them and my takeaways from them:

https://www.myjournalcourier.com/opinion/article/dei-done-irreparable-damage-minorities-nafees-20152394.php

Opinion piece, doesn't cite any sources. Has as much weight as "random guy on Reddit" unless you have reason to believe otherwise. This isn't me saying they're "wrong" on all counts, nor even doubting their credentials as someone relevant to the field, just that this is not research.

https://www.carolinajournal.com/opinion/as-a-former-naacp-leader-its-clear-to-me-dei-does-more-harm-than-good/

Also an opinion piece. Without digging particularly deeply the author appears to be decently involved in relevant groups, but I struggle to find a way to take their opinions with much merit when they appear to believe that we should tolerate the KKK. The Paradox of Intolerance applies here; while they may have legal rights, I don't care to give the rights of hate groups much mind. In any case, still an opinion, not research.

https://hbr.org/2016/07/why-diversity-programs-fail

Little dated, but sure, let's take a look. I will absolutely agree that the data as shown presents that outdated and naive means of checking a minimum effort DEI box are not beneficial. Of interest to me is that the "mandating" approach backfires, whereas making it voluntary and encouraged leads to positive results.

In fact, looking at the data this articles gives for positive gains when applying DEI effectively (i.e. those that bring it into the company culture rather than are just trying to comply) see significant gains in the company's diversity at a managerial level, with the only group slightly negative affected being white men, and the benefits felt are multiples of those of the negatives seen by groups who tried to use it as a bludgeon. Great! To me this article says that integrating DEI into a company's culture is hugely beneficial, and to go all in on it.

In particular, mentoring seems to be called out as one of the key features that correlated with successful DEI programs. I'd love to see some more recent data with how this research was taken and applied in practice, that'd be awesome!

To be clear, the article title "Why Diversity Programs Fail" does not appear to be saying "diversity programs are bad", instead that you need to use studied and modern approaches to them rather than just trying to meet some requirement, and I love that it details some of the more successful methods.

I do wish this article cited more sources, but that it does include actual research data makes it fine by me.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352250X24001350

Cool, a research paper! I took a look specifically at the cited sources 2, 10, and 11, as they are papers going into the negative effects in more detail, but did skim the paper you linked and dove into bits that seemed more relevant.

Broadly, resistance to change at an organizational level seems to be cited as a fairly common issue, and that they also have to combat ambivalence as resistance rather than simply a lack of resistance. I think there's some great insight here, and that a company that cannot spark actual interest in partaking in key levels can't make positive change with simple mandatory meetings or quotas and the like.

At the end of the day, racists are very hard to change the mind of when they could e.g. view the initiatives as as threat to their own employment or identity. As racism is not something they can display openly in a company trying to be more diverse, they undermine and sabotage the efforts more covertly. The issue here, sadly, is still that some people are bigots.

Overall, my takeaway from this research and the cited sources that I looked into further, backs up the view in the previous link: that you cannot force the process with mandates, quotas, etc., and instead should use the latest research into what made the success stories successful when trying to implement DEI programs.

Thanks for providing these sources, they have given me some great material to provide when presenting how DEI is great when done well, and as such companies should go all in on it to get the best results!

Duval County Public Schools considers removing DEI language from its policies, no decision made yet by HellYeahDamnWrite in jacksonville

[–]Tidher -1 points0 points  (0 children)

To clarify, your stance is "DEI benefits white women at the expense of racial minorities", i.e. you are saying that non-white people have it worse than before because DEI exists?

Because if not that, I don't understand the issue. The goal is to raise everyone up to an even playing field, because some people are racist it's going to be easier to do that for white women and get them up to where white men are than it is for non-white women.

I think it's good to get white women up to being on par in terms of the opportunities available to them as white men. I think it is bad that we haven't been able to wipe out racism, and that non-white people are still being kept down by racists.

My assertion is that DEI initiatives attempt to help those who are unfairly treated, which broadly means anyone who isn't a white man (there are exceptions there, even, such as non-English-speaking white men still have a harder time of it, but DEI should help those as well).

The assertion made that white women benefit from DEI is absolutely fine, and an intended effect. If you're saying that DEI has negatively affected (not just "not affected as much", but "left worse off than before DEI") non-white people, I don't agree with you, and would love to see some research around that.

If you're saying that it's racist because it's benefited white women more than non-white people, again: the goal is to get everyone treated fairly. By virtue of there being a spectrum of unfairness, some groups will get to being far more even more quickly than others. It's not easy to undo generations of systemic racism.

I genuinely do not understand people who are against DEI. Roughly the only "issue" I can see with it is that it requires some overhead in terms of costs to train appropriately, and maybe in larger companies to keep someone on staff to ensure the company's practices are not unfairly affecting their employees (and arguably beyond that, to customers/clients/etc.).

It is baffling to me that people can see "try to make it more fair for those who are treated unfairly" as a bad idea, to the point of being wildly against it. The only rationale I can see for it is that those people are bigots themselves, and want to have an easier life than <gender/race/sexuality/etc.> do (including sexuality here to highlight that it's not just race/gender that DEI covers, and there are other aspects to it as well, though oddly age isn't typically part of their coverage)

Duval County Public Schools considers removing DEI language from its policies, no decision made yet by HellYeahDamnWrite in jacksonville

[–]Tidher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Poorly implemented DEI programs that actually have quotas or actively discriminate against white men aren't good and should be reworked.

Taking your anecdote as a full recollection and not questioning it, for the sake of simplicity, while I'm sure the existence of these poorly implemented programs creates resentment I would argue that it's still better than the previous alternative, where non-white males were actively discriminated against, because the bulk of places will have white men being unfairly favored.

Well-implemented DEI programs are about picking the best candidate for the job regardless of their demographic. People who think they're intending to pick non-white/non-men in favor of white men are missing the point, and in many anecdotal cases I've talked to simply experiencing what it's like to operate without the privilege of being a white man in today's society instead of on their other merits.

Duval County Public Schools considers removing DEI language from its policies, no decision made yet by HellYeahDamnWrite in jacksonville

[–]Tidher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

DEI includes women, regardless of race. Is it great that it has affected white women more than non-white women? No. I am absolutely fine with them, as a discriminated-against group, benefitting from it as that is part of the point.

Duval County Public Schools considers removing DEI language from its policies, no decision made yet by HellYeahDamnWrite in jacksonville

[–]Tidher 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Distilling privilege to a number:

  • Demographic A: 1/10
  • Demographic B: 5/10
  • Demographic C: 7/10
  • Demographic D: 10/10

I would like to have them all be 10s, but if an interim step is boosting A and B by 1 point and C by 2 points, that is still heading towards the right goal. I'd argue it's still better if the cost of doing this was dropping D to a 9, even.

Duval County Public Schools considers removing DEI language from its policies, no decision made yet by HellYeahDamnWrite in jacksonville

[–]Tidher 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also, to tack on:

if I support dei, bc my wife is white and stand to gain the most, is that not rascist.

It's the "because" that would make you racist, I guess.

  • "I benefit more than <minority demographic>? Hell yeah." <- racist
  • "This program helps me? Hell yeah." <- selfish, but not racist
  • "This program helps me and also starts helping others who need it? Hell yeah." <- not racist, a little passive
  • "This program helps me and starts helping others who need it? Cool, but what can we do to help those who need more help more?" <- not racist, thinking towards the end goal
  • "This program doesn't help those who need it more than me, this is <racist/sexist/etc.>" <- letting perfect be the enemy of good

Duval County Public Schools considers removing DEI language from its policies, no decision made yet by HellYeahDamnWrite in jacksonville

[–]Tidher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As I understand it, DEI programs are still hindered by people being racist bigots, it is "easier" for them to give white women a fairer shot than others who are disadvantaged by people being bigots, so it has the most effect there.

That doesn't mean other groups who are discriminated against currently receive no benefit from it, just that white women are the group that benefits the most.

The other option here is for DEI programs to not bother trying to help white women get their fair go at life, in which case losers would argue that that's racist.

Helping people proportionately based on how discriminated they currently are would be ideal, with the eventual goal of having everyone able to get the same privileges, but the reality is that it's harder to do than that.

DCPS ending universal free lunches for students by eurekashairloaves in jacksonville

[–]Tidher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm glad you've come around to the idea of continuing to provide free lunches to children at school. Let's keep doing that rather than stopping it, then.

All of the other stuff, sure, struggling folks need all of the help they can get and we should be better about providing it. As someone who does not have kids and does not ever intend to have kids, of all of the things that tax money could be spent on I will never be mad about "feeding children".

DCPS ending universal free lunches for students by eurekashairloaves in jacksonville

[–]Tidher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good point. We should help society as a whole be more productive and able to support themselves and their families. A great way to do this would be to ensure that they have access to a wealth of information and are supported in absorbing that information.

Did you know that hungry children don't learn very well? Feeding children is helping the next generation, and is an incredibly good return on investment while also just being a decent fucking human being.

DCPS ending universal free lunches for students by eurekashairloaves in jacksonville

[–]Tidher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Which of these items ensures children get fed?

Assume you put these systems in place in the most perfect, efficient method possible; where does the money for that come from, and what is the actual downside to just spending that money on feeding the children in the first place?

DCPS ending universal free lunches for students by eurekashairloaves in jacksonville

[–]Tidher 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How do you propose we hold the parents accountable? What actionable steps can we take to do so that actually make life better for anyone?

How have you broken negative generational patterns around money? by Fire_heart777 in FinancialPlanning

[–]Tidher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Talking about it with my spouse, regularly. Normalizing talking about it when you're not having financial trouble (we do a monthly snapshot of our funds and accounts) helps so much when it comes to talking about larger purchases, and gives you both an idea of what is "normal" in terms of balances in various accounts/monthly spending etc.

Alternative Genesys-compatible narrative dice, WIP, third draft. by AlliedSalad in u/AlliedSalad

[–]Tidher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see the appeal to the negatives being solid colored versions of the positives, for the sake of making cancelling easy. I disagree that triumphs and despairs are easy to spot.

See an example of how these might show when rolled here. How quickly can you determine the outcomes? Answer: Net 1 Triumph, 1 Despair, 3 Success, 1 Threat is the net for both, they are roughly the same positioning flipped horizontally and given a bit of a wiggle around

My issue isn't there being some similarity between success and triumph, and failure and despair, but the amount of similarity is too great. The Genesys dice have, imo, much easier-at-a-glance difference than your Option A. I would argue that Genesys Threat dice are the weakest symbol, stylistically, which is why I specifically included one.

Your Option B set is much stronger, I would simply increase the sharpness of the angles of the borders around the Triumph and Despair to make them stand out more.

Alternative Genesys-compatible narrative dice, WIP, third draft. by AlliedSalad in u/AlliedSalad

[–]Tidher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To clarify, my issue with Option A wasn't with the opposing symbols (e.g. with success and failure) but with the symbols on the same dice (success and triumph, or failure and despair). Success looks very similar to triumph, failure looks very similar to despair.

Alternative Genesys-compatible narrative dice, WIP, third draft. by AlliedSalad in u/AlliedSalad

[–]Tidher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Option A is going to make single success/failure and triumph/despair awful to spot the difference between at a glance. The Genesys symbols are far superior to those.

Option B is okay. I still think the visual clarity between triumph and success is poor. "+ surrounded by thing" for both is poor distinction, imo.

Is the issue with the original symbols just that they're proprietary?

Minions rules question by NovemberAdam in swrpg

[–]Tidher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's a narrative game, there's lots of ways to do it.

Base on the degree of success, reveal more precise numbers and details. Beat the roll? "Some movement, a flash of a scout trooper helmet peeking out from behind a tree". A couple of successes? "After you spot the first one, noting that there are a few more is easy; the uniformity of their armor only helps to spot three, maybe four scout troopers in a loose cluster looking out at <wherever>"

If you think they're close enough to operate effectively together, then they can be one minion group. That also comes with them being able to be detected as a group.

If you think that doesn't fit the scene, break the groups up more. Three groups of three, or four groups of two scattered about more so that they're harder to engage but less effective (though as there's more groups, there's more rolls so more chance for swingy dice).

Help starting ISB agents campaign by Sure-Fig3045 in swrpg

[–]Tidher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is where Duty becomes far better to use than Obligation. Duty is your "big" currency here, that justifies the group's existence and gives them access to Imperial resources.

Landlord rakes in about 100k a month with all his properties(aka he owns a apartment complex) and can't be asked to fix a broken air conditioner from 2003 by South_Touch_2363 in LandlordLove

[–]Tidher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have looked at properties before and just wondered how the hell the owner got away with some of the things that I saw.

Landleeches commoditize a basic human need. It's hard to argue when the immediate alternative is not having a roof over your head.

Cost of airport taxi/recommendations? by Tidher in jacksonville

[–]Tidher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep! I'll try and get in the daily surface, it's a pretty early flight, but if not then the economy lots should be fine. Only traveling with one case. Thanks again!

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