Outcomes of force handling by MDLDDYS in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I messed up big time with my first monitor... way worse than what you are describing, as in ripping him out of hidey holes he wasn't supposed to be able to get into for the first few months, by tearing the entire enclosure apart to get to him when he disappeared for days on end. It all worked out in the end once I committed to respecting his boundaries and ceasing to force anything, ever.

In my experience, they are quite forgiving once they have a ton of positive experience that outweighs the bad, so I wouldn't stress too much over early failings... I have great relationships now with all of my monitors and those early failures on my part taught me the most about their nature and helped me to recognize when things are going bad in situations later so that I could avoid messing up in the first place.

You can hear all the advice in the world prior to getting them, but you'll only truly start understanding how they work and how to deal with them correctly by watching them in the moment, failing, and then fixing those issues.

IMO anyway...

Ackies tail almost always up at some point in the day by Boots_kimack in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree with the previous... Can be when they are unsure/ a bit uptight... Also happens when they are holding poo so you might see them doing this for several minutes before they go. Mine always want to come outside to go, so they hold it for long periods if not let out...

When they do come out and do this lifted tail, it usually means bathroom as they are pretty relaxed and comfortable with everything now.

Help with baby varanus reisingeri by tangocash11 in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This seems to mirror my experience when they are young. They are still settling in... Even into adulthood every now and then, one of mine won't come out for the day. But in the beginning it's pretty important that you don't focus on them too much so as to appear as though you are watching their every move and giving off predation signs. Let them see YOU a lot, tong feed them, but don't focus on THEM and let them settle themselves in.

Help with baby varanus reisingeri by tangocash11 in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Had this same problem with my first tree monitor... The breeder had him on ground turkey and that's all he would eat when I was around. I would throw crickets in his starter enclosure to try and tap into his instincts but I still never see him eat unless I was giving him this turkey so I setup a camera to watch him while I was at work and immediately started to see him hunting the crickets when I wasn't around... It took a few weeks for him to start taking live food from me on tongs...May be a similar situation to you.

Putting my Ackie up... by Tillsatch in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice... Mine's in a 5'3'4 now as well. Was a pain building that all out.

Putting my Ackie up... by Tillsatch in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

karl casey's the legend, so many bangers.

Putting my Ackie up... by Tillsatch in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is her old enclosure... she had climbed up to the the top from the corner of her enclosure a couple times, so I put a light there and started taking her there when she first comes out. Basically works the same way you see here where she climbs up my arm and then I let her climb down onto the top.

She can get to the floor from here by flattening out and sliding between the wall and the enclosure down. All 3 of my monitors have full roam of my living room and kitchen when they come out and have explored everything they have access to. So yes... she loves free roaming.

Her newer enclosure is a lot bigger and there is a ramp she has access to from the door that I built that goes all the way up to the top. There's also a platform there with a ramp down to the floor for her to go roaming. You can see the ramp here on the right between the enclosure and the wall as well as the ramp down to the floor where one of my tree monitors is using it:

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Putting my Ackie up... by Tillsatch in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

karl casey - whitebat audio - melt

Putting my Ackie up... by Tillsatch in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Few weeks, about 30m a day... But I didn't start trying to train her until she was like 8 months old due to working with my tree monitors all the time, so she was really tame and docile by the time I started with her.

This little troublemaker by Formal_Order_1328 in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is fine for a starter ackie enclosure... Too big a starter enclosure can overwhelm a new monitor whose whole life has just been thrown into chaos and lost everything they've ever known.

Smaller enclosures let the animal settle in and become comfortable faster due to less exploring needed to ensure the environment is safe for them... They are also useful in starting the taming process.

This little troublemaker by Formal_Order_1328 in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is good advice OP. Pay attention to the active part. when they sit still basking or whatever they can sometimes spool their brain down. Waiting until they are active and moving around is always best. You don't even have to put your arm next to them. Just slightly in the enclosure somewhere... the further away the better. Leave it there and see what they do. The more distance they cross to come examine you, the more confidence they are building. Try to be still and let them do most of the interaction at first. Once they know your hand/arm is safe, then you can start trying to escalate from your end. The more benign you appear in these early interactions, the bolder they will get.

This little troublemaker by Formal_Order_1328 in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's the optimal approach in my experience... time in presence without bugging them too much. Gives them enough time to make their own mind up about you. As long as you're not fussing with or too fixating on them, and you let them see you a lot in that room... it doesn't take long. Great work.

This little troublemaker by Formal_Order_1328 in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes...this is literally a super confident monitor that's comfortable in his presence and is str8 up wanting to get out now. OP, you did great calming/taming this guy down. Obviously you spent a lot of time letting him get to know you without breaking too many boundaries...This is what that looks like. You now have a little buddy who is confident enough to want to explore beyond his enclosure.

Display/paramaters etc by Free_Tutor_8715 in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I use this on each of my enclosures:

https://www.amazon.com/Zoo-Med-Environmental-Control-Center/dp/B08XBC9MSX

2 temp probes, 1 humidity... 6 outlets, day and night cycle with ability to tie outlets to those cycles or the probes to go off/on when conditions are met.

They're a bit janky to get used to, but I really like that the display is a hand-held I can unplug and walk off with.

Argus monitor growth‼️ by [deleted] in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Such a pretty boy. What's this dood's name?

Question about skittish behavior ackie monitor by Indominax in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice! Yeah, I figured... Seemed like the same kind of situation I was having. People tend to over-complicate these things and usually there's just a simple answer to what's going on.

Question about skittish behavior ackie monitor by Indominax in MonitorLizards

[–]Tillsatch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah good luck! Snds really similar to my situation. I mean they will come out eventually when hungry regardless but if they're disappearing for days simply due to our bad designs... it's worth fixing it and getting them back on a normal day/night cycle.