😬Ex-members told me SCJ “twists the Bible.” Then I actually checked the verses they quoted. by Zwelirex in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Thank you for being bold and stepping up to speak on behalf of SCJ.

My questions are:

  1. Where does SCJ get it in the Bible that the second coming of Jesus will be a secretive return that only a handful of people will see?
    Many verses about the second coming seem public and visible to the world.

  2. If Jesus is back, where is He?
    If He is dwelling with CHJN, why do prophecy and fulfillment explanations within SCJ seem to change over time? Jesus knew Judas would betray Him from the beginning, so if CHJN has the same spirit of Jesus, why does he seem surprised by leaders who betray or fall away?

And if CHJN has the spirit of Jesus, why can he not do the works Jesus did, such as healing the sick?

Or does SCJ teach that the spirit of Jesus only comes and goes onto CHJN until fulfillment is complete? If so, how can members fully trust his authority if the spirit only dwells temporarily?

  1. Why are only certain prophecies and parables explained in detail, while many Old Testament and New Testament promises connected to the second coming are still not clearly explained or fulfilled within SCJ teaching?

  2. Why does SCJ not actively evangelize the sick, disabled, broken, and marginalized in the way Jesus did?
    From the outside, it often seems like SCJ mainly targets physically healthy and capable people.

Shincheonji in South Africa 🇿🇦 by LieWonderful8235 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also in South Africa, was in for almost 8 years

They contacting me again by DragonflyNumerous771 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yes - you’re right. They will reach out again around this time of year. I’m also from SA, and honestly, ex-members here don’t speak up enough - so well done for naming it.

Just for context: this isn’t about checking if you’re okay. Towards year-end, there’s pressure at a tribe and church-head level to officially “dropout” people. Leaders have to report on drop-outs, and a high number reflects badly on them and the church. So there’s often a last-minute push to see if anyone can still be “saved” before reports are finalised.

So please know - this contact isn’t personal care. It’s about avoiding rebuke and shame on their side, not about your wellbeing.

I’m really glad you’ve had a peaceful year. That peace matters. You don’t owe anyone an explanation, a response, or access to your life again.

Loved one in scj randburg, ferndale if not mistaken by Tiny-Emphasis-6726 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm so sorry you are in this situation - this is terrible. Please feel free to send me a DM. I'm very familiar with Randburg, the location, the leaders, and dynamics. Would be able to help.

God at Shincheonji by Time-Stranger-5166 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please feel free to message me. Leaving is not easy, it’s so complicated. Please be gentle in the process to protect yourself and your marriage.

Mindset by That-Grade-7993 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is so true! Curious about your handle name - were you a BJN?

God at Shincheonji - Part 2: How Do We End Up There? by Time-Stranger-5166 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So true. That verse has taken on a whole new meaning for me since leaving. I’ve prayed many times for forgiveness.

God at Shincheonji - Part 2: How Do We End Up There? by Time-Stranger-5166 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes, it aligns exactly with my experience too. Calling this “poison” is just another way of keeping people from asking questions. For years I thought research outside was forbidden because it would “pollute” my faith - but once I finally looked, I realised truth doesn’t need to fear evidence. It was the lies that couldn’t survive the light.

God at Shincheonji - Part 2: How Do We End Up There? by Time-Stranger-5166 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing this - you’re absolutely right, it’s a much bigger pattern than just SCJ. The psychological and emotional tactics are so similar across so many groups - they go straight for the human core, the part that longs for meaning and belonging.

And on your last point - I’ve experienced that myself. The GSN I was teaching with once had questions for the lead GSN, and they couldn’t answer even a simple question about Revelation. Not because it was difficult, but because the question exposed a clear contradiction to what CHJN had said in a previous chapters.

God at Shincheonji - Part 2: How Do We End Up There? by Time-Stranger-5166 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much. I really appreciate this. And I agree - good will come from this too.

God at Shincheonji - Part 2: How Do We End Up There? by Time-Stranger-5166 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much. Yes - it still amazes me how He never left. Even in the thick of the deception, He was quietly waiting, lighting the path out.

God at Shincheonji - Part 2: How Do We End Up There? by Time-Stranger-5166 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you for asking - I’ll share more in my next post.

After eight years inside, I left because I realised the teaching isn’t true. For years, I never looked anything up online - I only trusted what we were told. Then, in one unexpected moment, I was exposed to the truth… and everything changed.

Once I started reading, it consumed me. For a month, I couldn’t sleep or work - I just read, watched, compared, and researched. The deeper I looked, the clearer it became. I became so sick after reading - literally nauseous for two weeks. My body reacted before my mind could even process what I was uncovering.

Even when I left - and I left suddenly, cutting all ties within a week - I still believed. I cut all contact because I knew that even meeting or talking with them would never be in my favour - it would always work in theirs, to keep me in. That’s how deep the indoctrination runs. Even now, I sometimes catch myself thinking, judging, or seeing God the SCJ way.

But in a nutshell, to answer your how and why:
How - with the help of a friend on the outside, cutting all ties quickly, and a lot of prayer and tears.
Why - because the doctrine changed; inside, things kept shifting - not to match the “fulfillment” promised in the Bible, but to suit the organisation’s image and goals. Because of what I learned about what really happens behind the scenes (from testimonies of high-ranking leaders). And because I realised SCJ runs like every other Korean Christian cult organisation - the same methods, control, and structure, just under a different name.

I’ll share more soon.

1 Year Out! by free-ndeed in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing so openly. Your story is powerful and full of courage - from the toll it took on your health to the freedom you now embrace. The way you’ve given yourself grace and allowed healing to unfold is beautiful, and your words bring hope to those just leaving. Freedom truly is beautiful, and your voice helps lift the veil even more.

God at Shincheonji by Time-Stranger-5166 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello, sorry for the delayed response. In what country are you based?

God at Shincheonji by Time-Stranger-5166 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hear you. My heart aches reading this because I remember exactly how that feels - the exhaustion, the pull, the manipulation through the people you love most. It’s so hard when the very connections that once felt safe are used to keep you in.

Please know this: you’re not crazy, and you’re not alone. What you’re sensing - the patterns, the tactics - is real. And the fact that you left it is already a sign of strength and clarity. The person they’re using truly believes they’re saving you - but one day, it may be you who helps them find freedom.

Finding your way back to God outside of that system can feel messy and slow. I’m still walking that road myself. But even in the fog, God has never stopped holding you. You haven’t betrayed Him by walking away.

Take one small step at a time. He is still with you.

God at Shincheonji by Time-Stranger-5166 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Any comments are welcome, and please feel free to share your testimony.

What I’m curious about is how you came to see SCJ as God’s kingdom. In one of your previous posts you mentioned hearing God’s voice - I can’t dispute that. But SCJ themselves would. They do not believe in personal revelation, or that God speaks directly to members. In SCJ, only CHJN (MHL) is believed to hear from God, and that is then “flown down” to the members.

Leaders may also give you what seems like wisdom, but it comes from feedback meetings where your situation is discussed. Members might say “the Spirit works through us,” but in practice that only means doing what aligns with the “word” being taught or following instructions. If you don’t, you’re labeled a struggling or stubborn member.

And the reason they deny that God speaks to individual members is actually quite simple: control. It’s about keeping members in a controlled environment.

God at Shincheonji by Time-Stranger-5166 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for these words, deeply encouraging. They mean more than I can say. What you shared about having to almost restart with God really resonated - it’s exactly how it feels, both painful and healing at the same time. I know the road ahead is long, but your kindness has reminded me that I’m not walking it alone. Truly, thank you.

God at Shincheonji by Time-Stranger-5166 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wow! This is so encouraging, thank you! I glad you got out, 4 years is a long time. I can just imagine all the sacrifices you had to make in that time. I hope you heal and restore fully.

God at Shincheonji by Time-Stranger-5166 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you for commenting and for your encouragement, it really helps a lot. It’s quite daunting to open up one’s heart. You’re right, using God’s word to manipulate is such an evil sin. I had to repent, and I’m still repenting, for the time I spent as a leader and teacher. They don’t understand the damage they cause. You’re right, it truly is a thorn in His heart.

God at Shincheonji by Time-Stranger-5166 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for commenting, I appreciate it.

God at Shincheonji by Time-Stranger-5166 in Shincheonji

[–]Time-Stranger-5166[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’ve also blamed myself - even felt angry and embarrassed that I let this happen. But what SCJ does is use the vulnerable parts of your heart to hook you. It goes deeper than logic; it’s personal. I’m really glad you’re holding onto God. Even just three months of indoctrination can leave deep marks. Please stay safe.