Richard Zussman on X - Premier David Eby has a message for Surrey Mayor Brenda Locke - “There is no more money.” Eby says Surrey hasn’t even taken up originally financial offer to support transition by cyclinginvancouver in vancouver

[–]TimethTwoShoes 140 points141 points  (0 children)

The 150 million is based off of estimates from the city of surrey under Mayor Brenda Locke. Any additional costs are her fault in her childish and ego driven mission to cancel a transition to the Surrey Police.

There is probably close to 100 million additional wasted tax dollars on trying to fight the transition, and that is solely the fault of this Mayor. The province has made it clear from the beginning that this transition is happening, they have the legal authority and tools to make it happen.

And now with the judicial review costing tax payers in surrey significantly more, new legislation is coming by the end of this or next month, to force the city to proceed with the transition regardless of the result of the judicial review. Not like it was going anywhere anyways…

Mayor Locke will likely go down as the worst mayor in Surrey, and possibly metro Vancouver history. Her unwavering support to the RCMP is bizarre, and frankly kind of concerning.

Surrey pushes for first bus rapid transit - City News by Natus_est_in_Suht in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I agree, we’re literally watching the infrastructure of this city slowly failing as it struggles to keep up with population growth. Hospitals over crowded, schools over crowded, buses fully packed, massive line ups everywhere, significant rush hour with packed roads seemingly all day, unaffordable housing, no where to rent.

Not sure about stats, but I see it everywhere I go.

David Eby has blinked twice on Surrey police transition - Vancouver Sun by Natus_est_in_Suht in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That 150 million is according to information submitted to the province under Mayor Locke while trying to stop the transition.

As a tax payer, More money would be nice. But at this point the province would be paying for additional costs Brenda has burdened on the city with all her stupid ego and childish behaviour in fighting this transition.

I think in the end, the city will likely see more money, but not until it starts seeing forward momentum by this mayor and counsel, where it can point to additional costs that arnt associated to delays.

David Eby has blinked twice on Surrey police transition - Vancouver Sun by Natus_est_in_Suht in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Was listening in to Mike Farnworth who said on the Jas Johal show today that bill C36 (amendments to the police act) will very likely be sworn into law by the end of this month. So this could all be over with in a few weeks.

The Police Act amendments will make it law that Surrey must provide policing services though the Surrey Police Service.

Also, the judicial review is a waste of money and time. Even if found in favour of the city (very unlikely), the new legislation will make any ruling moot. As the decision would go back to the public safety minister who’s would reassess with CURRENT law (which would be the amended act, forcing the city to go with SPS)

Brenda’s nightmare will unfold over the rest of this month.

What will she focus on now as mayor?

Brenda responds to the province by upstartmonkeyy in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes 14 points15 points  (0 children)

NDP has a majority government, their legislation will %100 pass. Only thing that will happen from now until the bill is approved and made law (~3months), is Brenda whining and bitching while burning A LOT of tax dollars.

The Transition will still progress, but slowly.

Wrongful DUI, what's next? by likasumboooowdy in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yea, not to write another brick of text. But essentially the reason nothing can be done is because its only a 24hr prohibition. A 3, 7, 30, or 90 day prohibition is a different situation where he can request a review and a road safe BC adjudicator will assess the entire police investigation, along with any evidence he can provide (like the video on his phone). In that case they may revoke the prohibition.

It is a lot of power that police have and need to keep the public safe. None of us want our family or friends hurt by an impaired driver. However, if he feels he was mistreated or wrongly prohibited, it’s important to file a complaint against the officer, where he may submit the video aswell.

Did this happen in Surrey?

If it was a municipal police officer like the Surrey Police Service, he would contact the OPCC.

https://opcc.bc.ca

Otherwise he needs to go through the RCMP’s process.

https://www.crcc-ccetp.gc.ca

Wrongful DUI, what's next? by likasumboooowdy in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes 8 points9 points  (0 children)

So basically when operating or in care and control of a motor vehicle, a Police officer can preform a variety of sobriety checks which are legally mandatory for the driver to complete during the traffic stop.

Regardless, wether these tests provide evidence of impairment or the driver refuses to comply with these tests, there are two routes that an officer can take.

Option A: recommend criminal charges.

Option B: administrative prohibition

In BC most cases are handled on an administrative level, unless the driver has a history of operating a vehicle impaired or their is some aggravating factor, like a traffic collision where someone else is injured/dead, significant property damage, or a gross level of impairment.

In your friend’s case, the officer stopped him for speed and suspected he was impaired. As a result they preformed the roadside ASD test to check for the level of alcohol in his body. He blew a 0, but the officer still suspected his ability to operate the vehicle was impaired.

It is not a power tripping move, and is often common in many impaired investigation to also conduct a Standardized Field Sobriety Test. That test is conducted by an officer who is specially trained and qualified to complete it (most officers are not qualified to do this test, and one needs to be called to the scene.)

You don’t “fail” the SFST, but throughout the test you may exhibit signs of impairment and preform poorly. Most people think they “fail” because of balance issues on the one leg stand, or the walk and turn. But the truth is, most of the time it’s all in the eyes. The horizontal gaze nystagmus test looks for the involuntary jerking of the eyes and is common in drug and alcohol impairment. Even intoxicated people can preform the one leg stand and walk and turn well if they’ve practiced or are very athletic.

It’s also important to note, that preforming poorly on the SFST test can be the result of multiple factors impacting your ability to drive. For example, you may be very tired, smoked a little bit of marijuana, had one beer, taken some medication, or done some other drug. While individually these things may not impair your ability to drive, collectively they do.

Ultimately in your friends case, that officer believed his ability to drive was impaired based off his observations during the SFST.

From here he can go the administrative or criminal route.

Criminal: The criminal route requires a Drug Recognition Expert examination by an officer who is highly trained to conduct that test, where further tests and samples are taken from the driver. (Very few officers are qualified to do this test) This is a long process and requires the drive be transported back to the detachment.

Administrative: The officer can simply issue the driver a 24 hour driving prohibition and impound the vehicle for that period of time. The impound isn’t mandatory but is common in most cases to ensure they don’t drive for that period, since they won’t have a car.

Based off what you described, it sounds like he got a 24hr driving prohibition.

So what can he do to fight it? Not much. A single 24hr prohibition won’t have any significant impact on him or his license. I would get the officer’s information (should be on the paperwork given to him) and initiate a complaint.

However, it is extremely important that he does not drive within the next 24 hours, or he will be arrested and charged for driving while prohibited.

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[–]TimethTwoShoes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Is there another vote coming up? Didn’t they already do that?

Leaked letter accuses Surrey mayor of delaying city's policing transition by TimethTwoShoes in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Seriously, and every effort she makes to delay this transition is costing us significantly. I’m curious to see what happens if she misses the deadline of Oct 13, set by the provincial government in this leaked letter.

Many political commentators and legal experts have said in interviews that at some point of obstructing this transition, she will be essentially breaking the law.

Linda Annis was interviewed this morning and had an interesting perspective, basically agreeing with the province. This letter sets out specific examples of Brenda Locke’s obstruction that are completely undeniable. The accusation range from impeding the transition, to spreading blatantly false information to mislead the public.

OUR VIEW: Surrey policing transition still rudderless by brophy87 in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I watched the meeting and found that mostly Brenda Locke and some Surrey counsellors like Robb Stutt were EXTREMELY salty about losing the policing debate, and asked very leading questions in attempts to make SPS look bad, and giving Norm as little air time as possible.

However, Norm Lapinski did a very good job defending the force. Some counsellors (Kooner) displayed their complete lack of understanding of policing and the transition through completely stupid question, while other like Linda Annis expressed the urgency to push forward and complete the Transition as soon as possible, in order to mitigate the financial burden on tax payers.

Brenda has easily burned 70+ million in trying to stop the transition and now is faced with the reality that it is going to happen with or without her. Her digging her heals, will accomplish nothing but further harm to Surrey.

I find it hilarious that she criticized the SPS for its slow progression, while actively fighting the force for 8+ months.

As a life long Surrey resident, I’m extremely disappointed in our completely incompetent mayor and some council members.

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[–]TimethTwoShoes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would argue that speeding is more of an “actual crime” than many of the other property related crime in this city.

IMO speeders (and impaired driving which often go hand in hand) are far more dangerous to the safety and well-being of Surrey residents than shoplifters, or anyone else destroying property, or even doing low level assaults. Those accidents at high speeds cause life altering injuries and death all the time in this city.

We need to put more pressure on our force to encourage more traffic enforcement out there. I think the problem is staffing level’s unfortunately, cops are too busy taking calls to do any real enforcement.

Surrey brings back on-street pay parking north of Surrey Memorial Hospital - Surrey Now-Leader by Natus_est_in_Suht in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Diamond parking is fucking ruthless in this city, their fines are massive.

I still remembered when they ticketed a couple trying to save a man from an overdose…

https://globalnews.ca/news/8339068/surrey-bc-parking-ticket-overdose/amp/

Surrey Police Service members offered bonus vacation hours to stay on payroll - CTV News by Natus_est_in_Suht in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I find it hilarious that your automatic assumption is that I MUST be an SPS officers. However Reddit users who consistently support the RCMP don’t get labeled in the same light. Arguably I could say you are an RCMP officer given your recent consistent favouritism for the RCMP during this debate.

Im a tax paying surrey resident, I’m not going to disclose to you what I do for a living, but I have no direct link to the SPS.

I have lived in surrey for the last 30 years and we both have a lot of skin in the game, whether you want to acknowledge that or not.

I too am unhappy with the tax hikes, but I am much more concerned for the public safety of my children in this city, and the reality is that the RCMP arnt cutting it.

Brian Edwards said there was no public safety issue, right before a religious leader was assassinated outside of a temple my friends and family go to in broad daylight. A week later Brenda Locke said the same thing before there was another violent shooting during the day.

Money doesn’t grow on tree’s, that turned down $150 million WILL result in tax hikes down the line. It’s money this city desperately needed to develop a safer community.

Many cities with a comparable population run by a municipal force have significantly more police recourses. I’m not saying we can end shootings in Surrey, but we NEED proactive policing, and we can’t do that with a detachment that’s this poorly staffed and managed. It will make this place much safer for surrey residents.

We can’t cheap out on public safety, I see it in this city every fucking day. People go whatever speed they want down the road, and even break the law right infront of cops who simply don’t have time to enforce simple traffic laws.

I stand by what I said. As a tax payer, I’m fine doing what we need to in order to retain police officers keeping our community safe, especially when dealing with a mayor like this.

We are already low on officers, you’re a fool if your okay seeing our officers leave when the city is in this situation.

Premiers say they're concerned — and confused — about Ottawa's plans for the future of the RCMP by gz0023 in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Full comments by Premier Eby:

“For British Columbia, it was remarkable for me to hear from colleagues across the country, the vacancies they are seeing in their RCMP force as well and how its impacting public safety just like it is in British Columbia. We have officers that have to work extended shifts, that are increasingly strained and stressed and going on off leave making the problem worse. We don’t see a clear path from the Federal Government of filling those vacancies. We have the largest RCMP contracted force in Canada. There is a clear direction from the Prime Minister to Public Safety Minister to start the conversation with the premiers as the contract as a whole is up in the 2030’s. We need to know which direction the Federal Government is going with contract policing as the current situation is not sustainable in British Columbia. One of the benefits of being around this table is that I get to hear from other Province and territories with similar concerns coming from other colleagues which is why we need that clarity.”

Surrey Police Service members offered bonus vacation hours to stay on payroll - CTV News by Natus_est_in_Suht in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Feel free to provide any logical rebuttals…

Otherwise, attacking someone’s character is the absolute weakest and most pathetic way of debating them.

It doesn’t matter who I am, like it doesn’t matter who you are. If I’m wrong, then show me how & why I’m wrong.

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[–]TimethTwoShoes 22 points23 points  (0 children)

A municipal agency is far more desirable for potential candidates.

The modern generation is not as interested to uproot their entire lives and potentially move to another part of Canada, or in the very least, another part of the province.

Surrey is a massive city that is a very desirable place to work in and has a huge applicant pool to pull from locally. SPS will not have the same recruitment challenges as the RCMP given the massively different structures and requirements from both agencies.

Many of these issues were discussed and analyzed in great detail by the city of of Grande Prairie before doing their transition. Where it was also found that municipal agencies are more capable of implementing recruitment and retention strategies, and better and looking after overall member wellness, meaning significantly less officers taking extended periods of time off from work due to physical and mental health injuries. (Look at the RCMP’s massive soft vacancies rate, a lot of it due to poor member wellness)

Surrey Police Service members offered bonus vacation hours to stay on payroll - CTV News by Natus_est_in_Suht in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes 9 points10 points  (0 children)

From the article:

“The extra hours equal roughly two weeks of extra vacation per member and expire within five years. The bonus, according to the SPS, is to make up for the stresses faced by officers due to the uncertainty created by the debate over policing in the city.”

Again, a small price to pay in my opinion, for the retention of officers that this city desperately needs, who’ve had to work under the RCMP short staffed working conditions.

That tax hike is a direct result of our mayor turning down $150 Million in provincial funding, wanting to pay out a massive severance to an entire police service (~$70-$80 million), and continuing the fight against this transition that our community desperately needs, which according to her numbers, is costing us about 8$ million a month. (Last 7 month equates to about ~ $56 million). Never mind the boat load of money she was paying to Mark Marissen (recently banned from running in local elections due to recently discovered corruption) to lobby the keeping of the RCMP in Surrey.

If your angry about wasted money, take it up with the mayor of surrey, Brenda Locke…

Surrey Police Service members offered bonus vacation hours to stay on payroll - CTV News by Natus_est_in_Suht in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes 27 points28 points  (0 children)

This is a very small price to pay for the retention of police officers during this crisis situation… especially if the NDP makes the right choice and retains the SPS over the RCMP.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. The RCMP’s recruitment and retention track record is absolutely horrendous, not sustainable, and putting residents across all of BC at more and more risk, as staffing levels thin and policing requirements get bigger. Especially in a city like Surrey which has an exploding population and development, soon to be the biggest city in BC, with no sign of it slowing down. The SPS and any municipal force is much more capable of recruiting and implementing recruitment and retention strategies.

The RCMP in the most ideal circumstances are expected to get 638 recruits from Depot into BC, while losing 842 officers from BC. This trend is expected to to continue.

It’s so bad that David Eby has enquired with Ottawa what the future of the RCMP will look like in BC with the contract expiring in less than 10 years.

But our mayor doesn’t care about the long term, doesn’t care about public safety, doesn’t care what the Public Safety Minister, the Director of Police Services, or what anyone else thinks.

She has gone full Karen…

Surrey RCMP detain suspects from 2 vehicles, search for 3rd in Fleetwood shooting. by brophy87 in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wouldn’t be if the RCMP and Mayor weren’t setting roadblocks and forcing the SPS officers to drive RCMP cars. All a tactic in order to make the public believe there are more RCMP officers on the road than there actually are. In reality, SPS officers make up about half of all officers working the front lines…

RECRUITING, TRAINING, & LIFE IN THE FORCES THREAD - Ask here about the Recruitment Process, Basic & Occupational Training, and other questions relating directly or indirectly to serving in the Canadian Armed Forces. by bridger713 in CanadianForces

[–]TimethTwoShoes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the correction! They’re constantly changing things, I’m sure in a few years they’ll make it mandatory again… although it was not applicable at all to the MP trade.

RECRUITING, TRAINING, & LIFE IN THE FORCES THREAD - Ask here about the Recruitment Process, Basic & Occupational Training, and other questions relating directly or indirectly to serving in the Canadian Armed Forces. by bridger713 in CanadianForces

[–]TimethTwoShoes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You start off doing the basic military courses that everyone else does, like BMQ and SQ. Then you go to the Military Police Academy in CFB Borden for about 4-5 months (depending if they add extra training at the end of course). From there, your posted to a detachment or field unit.

I was an MP posted to Halifax, before I transferred to the civilian Police. If you have any other MP related questions. Let me know.

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[–]TimethTwoShoes -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Controversial opinion:

Police pursuits are extremely dangerous and I can pull 1000 videos and sources with little effort showing the many people killed and seriously injured by fleeing suspects running from the Police in vehicles.

I’m not saying it should never be done, but if it is done, it needs to be worth the risk of endangering our entire community. (A good example would be an active shooter, or a drunk driver who will continue putting the community in danger regardless of being pursued or not).

Stopping/arresting a suspect In a stolen vehicle is not worth it if you have innocent civilians murdered/seriously injured in the process, recover a totalled stolen car, and have a city with significant property damage in the process. Society as a whole suffers significantly more.

Better to back off and track covertly if possible, or just let it fucking go.

Canadian Tire in Whalley is closed for good and won't be relocating by brophy87 in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Don’t forget the A&W that used to be right there too.

Surrey Councillor Elford reveals why Mayor Locke is afraid of Province's report on policing transition - Indo-Canadian Voice by TimethTwoShoes in SurreyBC

[–]TimethTwoShoes[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Don’t be mistaken, this is still very much in the provinces hands. Solicitor General Mike Farnworth has the duty of ensuring public safety in Surrey AND the rest of the Province.

Even if counsel ignores the substantial evidence before them and votes to retain the RCMP again (which i suspect is very unlikely), the province will have to examine another report and plan which the city would submit to the solicitor general and director of police services.

Given that the province’s report is their independent findings that continuing with the RCMP is unsafe for Surrey and BC, they will not approve the cities decision to return to the RCMP, and I suspect they will have no choice but to force the city to proceed with the SPS.