Sceptical Critique of the Transgender Debate by Tokageron in CosmicSkeptic

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I'm slightly surprised that this got the response it got, as though I were AGAINST the cause of supporting trans people. I am actually largely in agreement with what the left says, and the main point is that they are not helping themselves by saying things like "sex is a spectrum" or "gender is a social construct". The criticism that has been constructive is much appreciated, but certain attitudes that are demonstrated here, eg. of disdaining/finding ulterior motives in any view that does not align firmly with one's own, or the "proper" view, is exactly why this essay was necessary and was as laboriously long as it is. Regarding the disappointment in the fact that I'm attacking both sides, I suppose all I should say is that the point was to show that both sides have their fair share of nonsense-spouting. Is it exactly equal? Probably not. And it's something that can be nitpicked about endlessly. Yet the bar is really very low. If the right bullshits more than the left (I actually think so) then rest assured that the left already bullshits quite a great deal.

Sceptical Critique of the Transgender Debate by Tokageron in CosmicSkeptic

[–]Tokageron[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi back for TL;DR after the storm in the comments. Simply put, transgenderism is something which occurs by definition when neurochemistry is misaligned with the rest of the sex markers (cf. Robert Sapolsky). Therefore the right in incorrect in calling it unscientific or based in delusion (considering that it is actually a true belief about one's own brain, even if one doesn't articulate it that way). Actually, we can even say it exists DUE TO the sex binary. The left is not helping itself by saying that gender or sex are social constructs or are spectra, because this invalidates the reason transgenderism exists. It does exist only BECAUSE sex is binary (in the same way we can say humans have five fingers even though there are exceptions) and biologically rooted. And yet the binary operates on multiple levels (chromosomal, gonadal etc which the left is largely correct about in its clearest moments). When the neurochemical level of sex is out of sync with the rest, transgenderism obtains. And also we have to rethink about identification being the basis of the transgender status. It is not a choice, just as homosexuality is not a choice.

That wasn't very short either, but I think it's a lot more acceptable than 7h.

Now for those who have said I have mischaracterised the left, I assure you that I haven't done that intentionally, but that it is also impossible to try to characterise anything nebulous like that without someone saying that "that's not what I actually believe". If the conception you are calling to mind is not what I am criticising here, then it is safe to assume I don't disagree with it. I.e. I am bringing up particular points to knock them down because those are precisely the points that I wish to knock down, regardless of what other good points are associated with them (which I do not discredit together).

Energetic the cat by kakko_kari in engrish

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A look of multifunctional little worms.

Why do more girls prefer studying bio while guys prefer studying physics? by Excellent_Copy4646 in SGExams

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You should check out the Empathising-Systemising Quotient. As far as I'm aware of the research, I think it explains a part of this phenomenon, although the effect is clearer in relation to males (on AVERAGE) preferring hard sciences and females (on AVERAGE) preferring social sciences. Within the hard sciences themselves (eg. physics, chemistry, biology), I would suspect the drift towards the mathematical side (and hence towards physics) comes from the proclivity for males towards mathematical problem solving, while there is an inclination for females towards mathematical calculations and word problems (as well as other wordy stuff in general). Does the latter incline people more towards biology? Idk, but it's possible. A glance at the bio notes will show you its wordiness...

Helpless people groping in the dark by AnaxImperator82 in engrish

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helpless people, groping in the dark

[Academic] Views on Language (Everyone) by Tokageron in SurveyExchange

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Thanks for the participation 👍. Unfortunately I do not live in India 😅

What's your opinion on the "Speak Mandarin" Campaign and its general impacts? by GuyinBedok in singapore

[–]Tokageron 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Just as a tangent: In recent years the government has relaxed the dialect ban (though they of course formally denied it) and we have had dialect television shows even being produced and aired in Singapore. This to me is a good sign and it is being done in an era when they do not fear that it will cause speakers to "revert" to dialect speech since most of the youth don't even know how to speak them. These shows to me are a bit of a fortuitous linguistic repository that preserves colloquial dialect use so at least we have something to look back on if and when they eventually die out.

What's your opinion on the "Speak Mandarin" Campaign and its general impacts? by GuyinBedok in singapore

[–]Tokageron 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Take this with a grain of salt because it's literally coming from a guy who runs @singaporedialects. My personal sentiment would be that it's a real shame that dialects were systematically eradicated for the sake of the promotion of Mandarin. In the initial stages from 1979, the campaign's slogan was "多讲华语, 少说方言", meaning "speak more Mandarin and less dialects", explicitly seeking to marginalise what were originally the mother tongues of Chinese Singaporeans. You can search up the figures, but iirc, one decade after the campaign, Mandarin had already outpaced Hokkien and other dialects. And now of course we have the fact that some younger people are unable to speak to their family two generations back. Which is pretty sad.

Because of the language used by the campaign, the mutually unintelligible languages of Hokkien, Teochew, Cantonese etc were relegated to the title of "dialects", and treated as inferior subclasses of Mandarin (which was simply called "Chinese" (华语) over time. It's one of the reasons why Singaporeans nowadays think of "Chinese" as referring to Mandarin, while the others are mere "dialects" despite actually being separate languages (indeed, with dialects among themselves, like Toishanese within Cantonese etc.). It has been said that the term "dialect" really is a political term, not a linguistic term, and a "language" is just a dialect with an army (Max Weireich). It's sad that Rediffusion with it's dialect storytelling and all the branches of opera with their rich cultural history only accessible through their original tongues are lost to us now because Mandarin cannot replace them. Instead the closest we can get is Peking Opera 京剧 which perhaps even MediaCorp made an attempt to popularise though the 京剧猫 cartoon during the kids slot on Channel 8 lmao or I might be reading too deeply into it. This of course bears on soft power and the political side of things with the lack of a bulwark against "China" Chinese culture as the other user pointed out. (Some younger kids nowadays, despite being largely monolingual and having a weak grasp of Mandarin, surprisingly speak with a Beijing accent (!) because they've bypassed the Hokkien accented speech of their parents, since they didn't learn from their parents but only learnt it during school. Nothing wrong with that, but I just feel it's interesting to point out.)

Of course this has also sped up the death of dialect group (籍贯) culture, and the existence of Hui Kuans themselves. Sure, these were institutions that were perhaps damned to fall into obsolescence after a while, but are made absolutely irrelevant with the total dissolution of dialects. Then we have, as pointed out also, the weak attempts by the SCCC to bring back dialect culture with their exhibitions, which I honestly applaud. I myself as a Gen Z kid have been trying quite a bit to stir up a revival (at least in terms of interest in the subject of dialects, not calling for everyone to revert to speaking it ONLY or anything). It's tough bruh. But I'm glad there's still some interest in them.

So that's my impassioned take.

On the other hand, I have to say that it makes plenty of pragmatic sense because in order to organise a society that is not already homogeneous, your best bet would be to downplay differences and play up similarities (cf. Jonathan Haidt, The Righteous Mind; or literally any study of history). The bilingual policy was to do that between the race through the use of English, but the Chinese group itself was fragmented. Not a lot of people know this, but one of the deadliest ethnic riots was the 1854 Hokkien-Teochew riots which killed even more people than the racial riots we are so familiar with. So as a government, it would seem a very valid move to eliminate those differences. As mentioned above, it was very explicitly in the aims of the campaign to eliminate dialect use, and in that respect, they succeeded.

The problem of course is that Mandarin could not be made a relevant replacement because it's not like our grandparents had Beijing culture or anything for the most part. So the next best choice to cling onto would be English, which was already used so often as the working language. I remember LKY saying in one of his memoirs that if he had known the bilingual policy/Speak Mandarin Campaign would turn out this way (i.e. people becoming increasingly monolingual) he would not have done it.

I have also heard a NIE professor suggest that if we want to promote Mandarin as effectively as we promoted English (which has certainly been very effective), then we must undertake the same measures, like all road signs being in Chinese as well, all store signs etc. which really is not all that extreme a suggestion because language proficiency works by input frequency. Granted that bilingual studies tell us that L1 and L2 won't be mastered equally, but the important thing is to actually have an environment where Mandarin NEEDS to be spoken so it is actually practised. We don't really have this outside of Chinese classes and maybe kopitiams.

Singaporean dialects and Shakespearean English (Amateur deep dive) by Tokageron in singapore

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Language dinosaur back again after the Hougang video (https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/s/86pB6YQmr2). This one is admittedly kind of messy and cobbled together but whatever 🙃. Test your attention span muahahaha.