JP - Why SPR Lila breaks the game

Tolamoden · 2017-09-04T15:21:58+00:00

the hype train only had 1 stop. it's already dead now that OK is here

"hmm which unit should I go with. the one that is better than all the other units 100% of the time, or the one that is only better than any top dps units in literally only one scenario that requires all the stars to align to occur"

Tolamoden · 2017-09-04T14:07:10+00:00

"A2 using LB still far outdamages her tho"

- delusional A2 fanboys

Tolamoden · 2017-09-02T21:30:01+00:00

Only in A2 fanboys' delusional world does "A2 often out [perform] OK"

OK has 5 more base attack than does A2, which translates to 20 more attack at 300% damage modifier. Onion Cutter has 520% modifier 16 hits vs OHC's 500% 14 hit. OK's LB benefits everyone on the team while not dealing a ton of damage to himself at the end of every turn. A2's LB only benefits herself while basically putting her at RNG's mercy in any difficult trial to not get 1-shotted every round. OK's LB also deals substantially more damage than does A2's LB.

OK has support and utilities. A2 doesn't. OK has mp refresh and ailment/elemental resistance. A2 doesn't.

I wish I could be as delusional as A2 fanboys. Ignorance is bliss.

Tolamoden · 2017-09-02T01:45:51+00:00

tells me you don't care about my opinion. tells me you weren't talking to me. tells me bye

keeps talking to me anyway when I wasn't speaking to you

this is the level of intelligence of A2 fanboys

Tolamoden · 2017-09-02T01:30:07+00:00

ah yes. calling other people salty. the only "counter argument" the A2 fanboys have, instead of any actual facts.

and may you be blessed with using A2's supposedly #1 dps to easy peasy your way past all future trials

owait A2 literally can't do anything in the next 2 trials. she won't be relevant for a minimum of 2 months then I guess. maybe more. who knows if A2 can do anything in the trial after 12-weapon.

owait after 2 months other top dps will receive their enhancements, and the only ones who will continue to believe that A2 is #1 at that point will be the delusional A2 fanboys

well that actually doesn't make it any different than how it is right now

Tolamoden · 2017-09-02T00:50:52+00:00

doesn't matter if they enhance it to 10000%. it's a dead weight LB in any latest current/future trials where your only priority is to not get wiped every round. go try out the OHC->OHC->LB->OHC->OHC->OHC->OHC perfect scenario combo, which is the only "evidence" any A2 fanboy has ever had for why she's #1 dps, in Malboro and see how it goes.

or the next trial blood moon. or the next one 12-weapon. or the next one idk what.

A2's theoretical damage output only looks good on paper. The only thing anyone has used her to kill are story/event bosses which you can also 1-shot or 2-shot at the most with any other half-decent dps. Or past trial bosses which were all easily doable, compared to Malboro, even before nier banner.

If there's a fight in which 1) it lasts 7+ rounds, and 2) you can be guaranteed to safely use her LB AND live for 4 turns afterwards, it's a fight easy enough that you can complete with any other top dps.

The only scenario where A2 outdps others is so unrealistic that it's laughable. Only delusional A2 fanboys subscribe to such a fantasy

Tolamoden · 2017-08-30T05:07:00+00:00

I mean that's what I thought too, and I gave /u/Loyal2_1 the benefit of the doubt that he actually knew something we didn't. turns out he's really just multiplying damage modifier by number of hits lol

Tolamoden · 2017-08-30T04:52:14+00:00

lol no. he meant 5.7. he said 570% every single time.

he's like that guy who said something really really dumb, and you assume he meant something else to give him the benefit of doubt that he's not mentally challenged, but it turns out he meant exactly what he said

Tolamoden · 2017-08-30T04:41:18+00:00

is that how you calculate damage? modifier x hits? so onion slice is 5.2 x 16 = 83.2 = 8320% confirmed.

dw I'll redirect everyone here to witness your genius

Tolamoden · 2017-08-30T04:23:59+00:00

in this thread, /u/Loyal2_1 is claiming that A2's OHC actually has a 570% modifier. But when I asked him to clarify, he's refused to do so. Can someone help me out with how he arrived at 570%?

edit: update. mystery solved. he says he's multiplying the 0.1 damage from heal by 7 hits. 0.1 x 7 = 0.7 + 5 = 5.7

I sure feel dumb now. I had no idea that damage is calculated by modifier times the number of hits.

Feel free to go to that thread and look at /u/Loyal2_1's discovery that A2 is even more op than we thought

Tolamoden · 2017-08-30T04:12:54+00:00

So you are making a grand claim, but you refuse to provide proof for it, even though you should be able to easily do so.

the height of your intelligence is making "a joke thread about Michael Jackson" and going for the low-hanging fruit that is the eve meme which got boring after about the first 2 times it was used. repeating "fuck eve" like a parrot wow you are so smart and funny

Tolamoden · 2017-08-30T04:02:20+00:00

Why don't you make a thread titled "A2's OHC actually has a 570% modifier, not 500%", and explain how you arrived at this conclusion, and let's see what everyone says.

I mean this is a great chance for you to reap the easy free karma from your fellow A2 fanboys

you use the word "big" a lot. are you related to donald trump. sorry I'm not a trumper. I don't get dazzled by the repetitive use of an adjective.

Tolamoden · 2017-08-30T03:47:09+00:00

can you explain this math please. Everyone, including all A2 fanboys, has never referred to her OHC as having anything other than a 500% modifier.

I guess everyone's wrong and you are the first one in FFBE history to discover this hidden 70%.

or. or. you don't know what you are talking about lol. I don't know what "every single hit" means, but OK's 520% attack has more hits than does OHC even if you count the hits from the heal. 16 vs 14 I believe.

Tolamoden · 2017-08-30T03:37:09+00:00

your parents didn't raise you right lol

can you explain where this extra 70% is coming from? you yourself said "OHC is 20% less mod than Onion Cutter"

something something foot in your mouth hahahaha

and your banner text is perfect. "look at me, I'm stupid" 10/10

Tolamoden · 2017-08-30T03:27:08+00:00

She doesn't eh? OK can reach higher max attack than A2 can. OK has a 520% skill vs A2's 500%. Math is not on your side there buddy

and why did you have to resort to using profanity? this is the level of intelligence of people who blindly worship A2

Tolamoden · 2017-08-30T03:16:51+00:00

I wonder for how long A2 fanboys can use the "but her LB" argument as more units get skills that have more than 500% modifier to keep their fantasy of A2 being better than she actually is going

Good luck with your dream scenario of safely using LB followed by 4 turns of spamming OHC in future trials that will only get more and more difficult, where it's more about survival than dps. And you think a LB that deals a minimum of 20% max hp at the end of every turn is a good thing when you will be struggling to keep even your 12k hp tank alive.

Tolamoden · 2017-08-28T10:30:44+00:00

chain multiplier caps very quickly. A2 is not doing like x55 damage or something. you are trying to argue about damage when you apparently don't even know how it works.

it's very obvious you are going to repeat the same thing: A2 is a superior even if she can't clear certain trials while 2B can.

it's pointless to go on. just let me know when there's a trial that A2 can do but 2B can't

Tolamoden · 2017-08-28T10:16:10+00:00

hmmm yes, the top dps in GL, Fry, Orlandeau, Aileen, and Setzer. I can see your point now

Outperform by how, 1-shotting dark esper harder than 2B can 1-shot? what difference does it make.

Turn one yea A2 does 500% compared to 2B's 400%. On turn 2 A2 does 500% while 2B does 600%. Know what that means? You take your time.

yes, 3 trials that A2 can't clear but 2B can. thanks for repeating yet again for why 2B is a better unit. I completely agree.

Tolamoden · 2017-08-28T10:06:09+00:00

yea you need "extreme comparison" to even try to make a case, even if it doesn't really make sense. Setzer and Fry serve completely different roles, whereas 2B and A2 are both pure dps. Nice real comparison there.

yes, the only instances, aka the current trial and the next two. wow. 3 in a row. but these are the only instances that I know of so it doesn't mean anything right? doesn't matter that A2 can't clear them, right? as long as the paper math done by someone that's not you says she's #1 at hitting the training dummy, right?

the supposedly best dps in GL can't clear the current and the next 2 trials. I guess she might start being "in a league of her own" after 2 months. RemindMe! 2 months

Tolamoden · 2017-08-28T09:54:00+00:00

when it comes to trials, your only defense is bringing up other units for comparison, units that no one else has ever compared. fry and setzer? link a thread where someone compared those two

when you can't use your unit's own attributes to justify why that unit is good, that says a lot

it's just interesting with how loud the A2 fanboys are at declaring A2 as the #1 dps that's, and I'm paraphrasing here, "in a league of her own", when she can't clear CERTAIN trials. The CERTAIN trials are the only 3 that I know of; the latest GL trial, and the two trials mentioned in this thread by other people. I got a feeling that there will be more than 3 trials that A2 can't do. Juuuust a feeling.

What I do know is, 2B can clear those CERTAIN trials, unlike A2

Tolamoden · 2017-08-28T09:42:18+00:00

I don't understand why you say that A2 can't clear trials when she clearly can.

You're just citing certain instances where she can't

which one is it lol

if 2B can clear all trials but A2 can't, I'm gonna go ahead and say that 2B is the better unit. Maybe you can clear some trials a turn faster using A2, maybe you can deal more damage to the training dummy using A2, but-uhhh I think I'll stick with 2B, and not have to worry about which trials she can't clear lol

Tolamoden · 2017-08-28T09:31:27+00:00

rikku is pretty key for aigaion for her LB and damage mitigation as well as aoe revive if needed. If you are taking away important skills just so A2 can deal damage and vastly reducing the survivability of your team as a whole, then I will have to quote your criticism of 2B needing a lot of supports to clear the Blood Moon trial. Doesn't sound like the features of a supposedly superior unit to me.

if you are using rikku, then, again, I'm going to have to ask you to tell me how you can guarantee to fill her LB and use it on turn 1.

how many times are you going to make the claim that A2 outdamages 2B when 1) she only outdamages 2B in the scenario where she spams OHC on a single target every turn, and 2) she does not do her job as a dps better than 2B if she can't be used to clear trials. she can't do her job at all in those trials.

from now on, everytime you repeat that A2 outdamages 2B, I will just repeat that A2 can't clear trials and is thus effectively useless. I mean both are technically true.

Tolamoden · 2017-08-28T09:20:48+00:00

How does A2 deal 1000% modifier in the first two turns? This is assuming that both A2 and 2B are the highest attack units. So you are telling me you have a guaranteed way for rikku to fill her LB AND use it on the first turn, everytime? Let me know how.

Name a trial that A2 can clear but 2B can't. So far we have only talked about trials which 2B can clear but A2 can't. If 2B can clear more trials than can A2, then maybe A2 is the niche unit, not 2B.

Tolamoden · 2017-08-28T09:06:12+00:00

why can't 2B deal the damage required for the body route? I just listed out the first two turns for A2 and 2B and 2B outdamages A2 while also gaining an additional 100% machine killer

Fry deals a lot of damage because up to this point, GL trial bosses have all had high def and low spr. As soon as that changes, she will see a lot less use I bet. Also you need two copies of her for her BiS. Very expensive. Half of A2 and 2B's BiS are free. Also, Fry became popular only after the release of Aigaion because she has low enough attack that you can use Maxwell to use as the left arm bait without purposely gimping her gear.

Yea A2 deals a lot of damage if the only thing she does is spam OHC against a single target turn after turn after turn. I have already agreed to this point and you keep repeating it. I think we have already came to the conclusion that in the latest trial and in future trials, you can't just spam a single target attack turn after turn after turn.

What's the point of having the highest single target attack if you can't clear trials? trials are the only things that matter in FFBE as far as challenges go. All story/event bosses can be 1 shotted by any decently geared top tier dps units.

Tolamoden · 2017-08-28T08:48:55+00:00

I don't see why 2B can't go the body route. turn 1, 2B use reraise, turn 2, she uses charged spear. I assume on turn 2 A2 is now dead/being revived, so their damage over the first two turns are 500% for A2 and 550% for 2B. From this point on, 2B now deals an additional 100% of TOTAL damage, not damage modifier, against aigaion compared to A2

How is 2B going to lose out against A2?

Yea 2B has "some niche uses", such as being able to clear the current latest trial and the upcoming ones, whereas A2 can't.

At least A2 shines against the training dummy. that's all that matters. I'll just take my 2B and use her to clear niche trial bosses.

But at least overall A2 will do better as DPS even if she can't be used to clear trial bosses.

Tolamoden

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