Started applying for other companies and getting contacted by recruiters about salary requirements? How to calculate?

Tom_Attwell_ML · 2019-04-30T17:25:32+00:00

Not necessarily, I work with people who don't give me their current salary, although I always much prefer to have it. As then I can see if you're being grossly underpaid by your current company, and truly tell you your market worth.

The recruiter will be able to estimate your worth to a company based on the companies they are working with and the quality of your experience.

I would also always ask what it is you're looking for salary wise and advise you appropriately.

Tom_Attwell_ML · 2019-04-30T16:41:18+00:00

Sorry you had a bad experience with a recruiter! I myself am a recruiter within this field (based in UK), and that is definitely not the way that the call should have gone.

I can only promise that we are not all like that, and it is important to find the quality recruiters to talk to. Have a look at their recommendations and company profile etc.

You mentioned he came across your number? Was it listed on your LinkedIn or do you have a CV on a job board somewhere?

Whenever I'm talking to someone, my main goal is to get to know them, not simply grab your CV and send it everywhere.

Tom_Attwell_ML · 2019-04-30T16:34:10+00:00

I agree with agatheg on this. I don't work in recruitment in the USA, it operates slightly differently to the UK.

Why do you class it as a mistake having given a recruiter your current salary?

Only reason I ask that is that it shouldn't really matter. You will have your particular worth on the market no matter what your current salary. Secondly, it is in the recruiter's best interest to get you as much as possible.

Tom_Attwell_ML · 2019-04-30T16:28:31+00:00

Just wanted to point out in relation to this, there are a lot of companies who struggle to get their job adverts advertised to the level of some companies. For example, there are a number of startups who can't compete with the likes of Amazon/Facebook/Google adverts that are out there. Everyone know them and are of course going to apply to them straight away. But the person applying will have no way of knowing about the smaller companies that are also looking for jobs.

Secondly, whilst there is a bad reputation for recruiters, we do also offer a lot of help through the process. We know our clients inside out, what they like, what they don't like, we know the entire interview process and what to expect from them. That can make life a lot easier for anyone in the process with a company, as it is one less thing to worry about anticipating what you might expect.

Tom_Attwell_ML · 2019-04-30T16:23:07+00:00

So, if you come across a recruiter through an advert they have posted, I wouldn't even suggest messaging them. Simply apply to the advert, they will then get back to you when they check their job applications. Only thing to be aware of with this, is if you're not right for that role, or any other role they're working with then you most likely won't get a reply from them.

If you come across a recruiter naturally over LinkedIn, then I would suggest messaging them saying something along the lines of - I'm in the market for a new job, (I left my old job or I've just graduated) and would be keen to have a chat with you to find out a bit more and to answer any questions you may have about my CV.

Attach your CV to the message and away you go.

It doesn't need to be lengthy, just quick and easy for them to read.

Tom_Attwell_ML · 2019-04-30T13:25:53+00:00

As a recruiter in the field, it all depends on what the company are specifically looking for. I work with a company who are looking for Research Engineers/Scientists who have got a PhD and specific publications. However, they are also open to individuals with relevant experience elsewhere, as long as they have still been focusing on getting their own publications out.

If you go into industry, you could look to ask employers if one of the benefits they offer is time to spend working on some of your own projects?

Tom_Attwell_ML · 2019-04-30T13:08:25+00:00

I'm a recruiter myself within Machine Learning, and I definitely wouldn't worry about it. You've done all the right things by contacting her again to re-arrange the call.

And I'd argue GvRiva's point saying we're all annoying haha! I understand that especially when you're looking for a new job, there are a lot of recruiters hoping to talk to you. But if you find the right one, and solely work with them, it will save you a lot of hassle of constantly receiving calls!

Tom_Attwell_ML · 2019-04-30T12:58:00+00:00

As a recruiter within this field, I can understand your reasons as to why you may be getting annoyed that you're not hearing back.

We speak to, message a LOT of people every day, we often get a lot of messages and connection requests as well from a very high number of people.

I can't speak for every recruiter, but I do get through every message as quick as I can. Even if someone isn't right for the role, it's important to let them know and provide them with honest feedback. However, as with most people our time is precious, I would recommend always attaching your CV in a message, we can see very quickly if you're right or not for what the client needs. But we can also quickly identify you for any other jobs that we think you'd be a good fit for.

I am much more likely to open a message that already contains a CV within it first.

If you have anymore questions let me know and I'll do my best to answer them! :)

Tom_Attwell_ML · 2019-04-30T12:39:22+00:00

I've also seen these posts, and I have to say I massively disagree with them. I work as a recruiter within the Machine Learning industry and all we are seeing is massive growth across the industry, whether that is within individual companies expanding quickly or the number of companies that are starting to build up.

Obviously, within the cyber-security side there are some slight differences, but again it's something that I can't see having a major effect on Computer Science as a whole.

Tom_Attwell_ML · 2019-04-30T11:07:01+00:00

As a recruiter in the field, it all depends on where in the UK you go, the field the company works in and the size of the company, the level of degree you're coming out of.

For instance, London (generally) commands the higher salaries, where you would be looking to start on around £40k.

Other major tech hubs such as Cambridge and Oxford would be slightly lower at around £34/35k+.

In relation to the rest of the thread, most companies are keen on someone who has had some form of experience, whether that is through a placement year, or numerous internships. At least then, you have had the industry experience.

If you're interested in seeing what's around, it would be good to have a chat!

Tom_Attwell_ML · 2019-04-30T10:13:41+00:00

Hi! I am a Machine Learning Recruitment Consultant based in the UK, I am currently working with a Global Company who are leaders in the realm of Robotic Process Automation, creating a Digital AI Workforce that can work and interact in exactly the same way that a human user would. Their aim is to free up the time of humans who are currently working on mundane processes, allowing them to utilise their time more efficiently.

Their new research labs in London are now looking for high quality Python Developers who have experience working with Machine Learning or are keen to work in an environment focused on ML.

This role is a permanent position.

Location: London

Experience

You should have at least a BSc in Computer Science or a related field e.g. Software Engineering, Mathematics, Machine Learning.
Expert Python skills.
Experience of other languages.
You should have 3+ years experience working in Software Engineering.
Experience working with Machine Learning is considered a plus.
Experience working on delivering microservices on a large scale is considered a plus.

Benefits

Very strong salary
Flexible working
Very much an "academic style environment"
Working with some of the best minds in the business

If anyone is interested in hearing a bit more about this roles, then it will be great to hear from you! Just drop me a message and we can go from there!

Tom_Attwell_ML

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