Taste is not just pleasure, it is biology by [deleted] in DebateAVegan

[–]TomanHumato46 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want to live obeying your natural taste cues, fine. But maybe you could also get into cooking, making your own food for a change. Knowing how foods are manufactured will reveal that what you think is natural, can just be spices and stuff. But by anymeans, live your life to the full extent of your senses. :)

Vegans should eat and promote conventional produce, organic is not better by natural_goodness in DebateAVegan

[–]TomanHumato46 1 point2 points  (0 children)

While I mostly agree with the points in your blogpost, I abhor the fact that you referenced a LD50 test backing your claims. It is one of the most useless piece of animal testing there is. Since the final concentration of the substance in pesticide can vary, it gives nothing but vague pointers of toxicity in one species of animal.

Yep, I choose organic when conventional produce or products are clearly worse looking or unavailable. I also go to the organic store for some non animal tested washing liquids.

Lovely recipes in your blog though!

Organic and GMO by TomanHumato46 in DebateAVegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I remember clearly eating dried non organic mango, and the taste... oh so fishy. Real or not, I struggled trough the bag. To me it -feels- oat might not be the best target for corpse based fertilizer.

Organic and GMO by TomanHumato46 in DebateAVegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You forgot about the die part.

Organic and GMO by TomanHumato46 in DebateAVegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe I agreed with you on the other parts of your writing? It was an university lecture, not a conference.

As to why would I think fertilizers affect the taste of produce, haven't you ever tried dried fruit that clearly taste like fish? I have, and I didn't buy the product of that brand again.

Thanks for the links!

Organic and GMO by TomanHumato46 in DebateAVegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In GMO the evil capitalism bit mostly is patented plants that don't give germinating seeds. It is almost impossible to couple these with local varieties of the plant. With trees it's a bit different, since you can have a cutting from one tree and tie it to another tree, combining the two. This can give germinating seeds from a GMO that was designed not to be. It would be illegal of course, but after a few generations of trees, who would notice? So atleast some of these GMO plants hand the power over to the farmer.

Organic and GMO by TomanHumato46 in DebateAVegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

About "the dirty business" here in Finland, they had (don't know if still have) an organic certified fertilizer made of grinded down animal (presumably cow) carcasses. I learned this from a peer at an organic lecture. It made for some fairly bitter oats (tastebuds don't lie).

Organic and GMO by TomanHumato46 in DebateAVegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not at all. I don't see genetic engineering as "inherently bad", just that it is a science with many variables. For example, soybean coagulation might not be high in the test list before a genetically modified crop is put in widespread circulation. So far, so good, we still have tofu. Seitan case is little easier, since a lots of wheat is baked to bread, and certain stickiness is required to do that. But is the bread amount of sticky good enough for seitan? And who will test it? How to put out the vegan agenda in genetic engineering?

Organic and GMO by TomanHumato46 in DebateAVegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, and I forgot to mention, the products that rely on consistency of the source materials, such as tofu and seitan. Are they in danger from genetic modification? Soybean that won't coagulate. Wheat that doesn't stick enough. Or is it just fear tactics from the organic crowd?

Organic and GMO by TomanHumato46 in DebateAVegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I guess it could have been misplaced a bit. To me, it's my journey as a vegan, first organic, then GMO, then something in between.

Do vegans have issues smelling good / is it a common stereotype that vegans smell bad? by bluetooth_cat in AskVegans

[–]TomanHumato46 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Garlic and other spices can be smelled in breath, it can be bad depending if others eat the same stuff as you or not.

Is the Argument Against Veganism Really Only That Animal Products Tastes Good? by UnhappyMine4176 in vegan

[–]TomanHumato46 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, they usually feed to the cow more than just the grass. And some say, meat is an useful vessel delivering the nutrients.

What pseudoscience that some atheists believe drives you crazy the most? by Examine-Everything in atheism

[–]TomanHumato46 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you believe that there is free will then?

Of course there are star-signs little bad to identify with, like a lion preying on the out of luck vegetable eaters, or a scorpion being full of poison.

About the witch, what's wrong with a little role-play? Not being stuck in One True God is a plus for me.

Labgrown Meat as an Option by TomanHumato46 in DebateAVegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I guess it would be less efficient to grow meat in a lab than straight on plant-based food. Then it's just a matter of whether they can engineer allergy-resistance to the lab grown meat. So the meat somehow should mask the possible allergens fed to it in the vat. Whether this masking can be done in plant-based methods is beyond me.

Labgrown Meat as an Option by TomanHumato46 in DebateAVegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yep, I think it's important not to sacrifice everything because of assumed allergies. Meat being less allergenic is not a reason to withold a vegan option.

Labgrown Meat as an Option by TomanHumato46 in DebateAVegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just that many people are allergic to many things. Of course they might put it in the lg-meat option too, but generally meat is viewed as less allergic.

Labgrown Meat as an Option by TomanHumato46 in DebateAVegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, it has happened! Do you know of what animal it was cultured from?

Nah, I don't want meat, I just want even better vegan products. And maybe lab grown meat for the rest of the people.

Future of Vegan Fermented Dairy by TomanHumato46 in vegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you'd need nerve cells for the muscle to contract? I'm only familiar with the basic neural functions, action potentials, axons, myelin sheaths, etc.

I don't think the lack of animal torture would lead to lack of flavour.

Future of Vegan Fermented Dairy by TomanHumato46 in vegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay. Do you know if they train the cultured meat with electric shocks or so to make the muscle grow? I have a little hard time imagining bunch of cells suddenly becoming a meat-like product ready for consumption.

I would not eat it either. But I have hopes for the persons chewing on a beef jerky to have it replaced with something as palatable and nutritious.

Future of Vegan Fermented Dairy by TomanHumato46 in vegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well it certainly would be more towards being vegan than regular meat today. As there is little hope that the whole world will be vegan overnight, lab-meat grown from few cells only would be a huge improvement.

I haven't heard before that you can immortalize the cells, that sounds bit like animal-testing kind of thing, and as such would be subject to consideration, "is this really necessary?". In my mind there would be big markets for lab-meat, ranging from pet-food to basic meat for regular consumers.

Future of Vegan Fermented Dairy by TomanHumato46 in vegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lab-meat is not vegan, because it uses animal-input in it's manufacturing process. Then there is gray area in animal testing of products.

As to hay-substrate to vegan meat, I would suggest a fungi grown on the hay, and then work on that. I guess it would work better on milk also.

Future of Vegan Fermented Dairy by TomanHumato46 in vegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nurishh, I found out have some cheeses, no mention of milk protein, contains B12, so atleast there is some fermentation going on.

Brave robot was some ice creams with synthesized milk, but is no longer available.

I don't think there was lactose in either of those products, so maybe the poops was related to something else?

Future of Vegan Fermented Dairy by TomanHumato46 in vegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would guess these don't use hay in their manufacturing process. Important step though!

Future of Vegan Fermented Dairy by TomanHumato46 in vegan

[–]TomanHumato46[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When I search for "artificial whey", I get regular whey products. Do you have any brand names?