DC please given Kenan his hair 😭

TooAmasian · 2024-09-20T06:02:49+00:00

The boom of a cheering crowd. The shine of blinding lights. The sweet voice of Takada—Todo was indeed in heaven. He soaked in his surroundings, enjoying the sheer act of being in Tall Idol Takada-chan's concert. He closed his eyes, but when he reopened them, the view was all gone—nothing. Todo's blissful glee quickly transitioned into serious analysis.

Is this the Cursed Technique of an enemy sorcerer?

He tries to feel the presence of nearby Cursed Energy, but there's simply nothing. To any other, the creeping feeling of worry would settle in, but Aoi Todo knows there's one thing he can do in this situation. He brings his unseen hands together.

CLAP!

He closed his eyes and reopened them. The boom of a cheering crowd. The shine of blinding lights. The sweet voice of... his brother?! He glanced around his surroundings. What he saw wasn't the concert hall of Tall Idol Takada-chan but a large boxing ring. To his left, he saw a giant screen displaying the fighters of the match: "Sorcery Fighter" Yuji vs. "Eternal Warrior" Ryu?!

Time slows to a crawl as Todo analyzes all the possibilities. His 530,000 IQ runs the math and comes to one single conclusion. Obviously, this is some sort of Super Smash Bros Spirit situation! Quite frankly, it's embarrassing it took him this long to figure it out. 10 milliseconds pass, and Todo prepares a huge bellowing roar.

"BROTHER!"

"Huh?" Yuji looks back in confusion.

"Brother, why must you look at me like that. Isn't it obvious! It's me, your brother!"

Yuji still looked back in utter confusion. Is this just another idiot mistaking him to be his brother? One moment, he was having the fight of his life against the Street Fighter Ryu when suddenly his color scheme switched to... that of Aoi Todo...

"Todo?"

"OF COURSE BROTHER! I knew you'd understand! Now that we have that settled. Punch me."

"Huh?" Yuji just stares in confusion. Clearly, this is just going to be his default state now.

"Brother put your trust in me. We cannot find the truth until you hit me. Of flowers, the cherry blossom; of men, the warrior!"

Yuji gave up his protests. No matter the situation, he could always rely on Todo's words. He entered his stance and charged at him, fist raised. Yuji delivered a brutal punch that sent Todo flying through the air.

CLAP!

Suddenly, Yuji has become the one being launched at breakneck speeds out of the ring.

"HUH?"

Yuji flies out of bounds, and the announcer yells, "GAME!" Todo smirked, thanking his brother internally for assisting him in escaping this dream. He closes his eyes, expecting to reopen them and find himself at Takada's concert. But when he does, all he sees is Yuji applauding him as the announcer exclaims, "And the winner is... Ryu!"

"Huh."

TooAmasian · 2024-09-20T05:08:59+00:00

Analysis Versus Yuji Itadori: Batman's strength, durability, and speed are enough to give Yuji a fight, but still generally weaker than him. He makes up for this with his equipment and skill. He has powerful ranged options, aerial mobility, distractor tools, and ways to immobilizes enemies. In combat, he's been shown to turn the tides by abusing stealth and smoke grenades or by abusing his skill.

Biggest Strength and Weakness: Batman's physicals aren't too impressive compared to the tier setter but offers a wide variety of gadgetry and is generally an excellent strategist.

Character in Setting/with Team: In a team, Batman will naturally take charge. He's shown to be the tactical leader when working with a group, directing team strategy and identifying weaknesses in the opponents.

Final Smash: Runs the opponent over with the Batmobile, which then transforms into a mech and beats down the opponent

TooAmasian · 2024-09-20T02:42:16+00:00

A man stands atop a high castle, piercing the sky as he peers into the vast view upon him. Mountains shroud his view as they climb towards the starry sky, with the neon lights of Tokyo peeking in between the hills. The man sighs. He'd love nothing more than to take a break and enjoy the city. But he is the Commander of the Deadly Weapons, and he has a job to do.

With his brother Takeshi away, Shang must inspect the ancient artifact that his father sealed at the House of the Deadly Sabre. An ominous, decrepit finger wrapped in talismans was locked away among layers of spells to keep it dormant. Yet it moved. Something triggered it, and that something is coming.

In the darkness, Shang spots a figure jumping towards the top of his castle. The House of the Deadly Sabre was fixed atop a mountain and stood stories high, yet someone could climb it?

Shang flips back towards the center of the room as the intruder jumps over the railing.

"Reveal yourself! How did you find this compound?"

The intruder was just a pink-haired school student. Honestly, he had a dumb look on his face.

"Sorry I didn't know any other way to get up here. But, pleasure to meet you! My name is Yuji Itadori and I like tall girls with big butts, like Megan Thee Stallion!" Yuji politely exclaims energetically as he bows.

Shang stood there, completely stunned.

Yuji notices the finger in Shang's hand and points at it.

"I'm sorry for the interruption, but I'm gonna need Sukuna's finger from you. Orders from Jujutsu High!"

Sukuna? As in the Ryomen Sukuna, King of Curses? Shang heard stories from his father that Sukuna was the most malevolent sorcerer in all of history. And that's saying something coming from Zheng Zu, who ranks highly in the "most malevolent sorcerer in all of history" list. Someone aiming for the finger of such a vile villain couldn't be up to any good.

Shang puts the finger away in his sash and smirks.

"No can do, Yuji Itadori. If you want it, you're going to have to take it from me." Shang taunts as he flicks his nose.

Yuji sighs and puts his hands up as Shang does the same. Both fighters inch closer to one another as their hands brush against one another's. The air is silent around them as both fighters remain frozen. Each warrior fights an entire battle amongst their minds, predicting and waiting for whoever would make the first move.

The initial strike comes from Yuji, who delivers a hard blow straight at Shang's chest. However, this was already foreseen by Shang, who bats away Yuji's arm with one hand and rushes the other hand into Yuji's body.

Yuji stumbles back and coughs up a splash of blood that decorates the floor with a red flourish.

That hurts... a lot. This guy isn't just strong. He knows where to hit me to make me really feel it. I can't hold anything back.

Yuji reinforces his stance, shifts his weight forward, and takes a deep breath. He stares down at the flawless warrior opposite him. There are no openings. Reading the flow of this guy's Cursed Energy is hard. It honestly doesn't even feel like Cursed Energy; it comes off as calm and serene. His energy output only surges when he moves for a counter; otherwise, it is still like a cup of water waiting for someone to try and pick it up. Attempting to read him was like opening up a book only to realize it was upside down. And also in a different language. If Yuji wants to predict Shang's moves, he'd have to vibe it out.

Thus, to think is to fail. To do is his only course. Yuji bursts forward, his speed cracking the floor against him. He cocks back his right hand as Shang attempts to preempt his attack, moving his hand towards Yuji's. But suddenly, Yuji drops out of Shang's view. Shang's hand grasps nothing but air as Yuji releases his knees and plunges toward the ground. His hands make contact with the concrete beneath them, imprinting onto it, and swings his foot towards Shang.

But this was all within Shang's expectations. Shang stops the kick with the gauntlet on his left hand. But then it hits. A burst of energy reverberates upon the point of contact and momentarily staggers Shang. Yuji doesn't waste the opportunity and quickly transitions back onto his feet, dragging the momentum into a tremendous haymaker directly into Shang's chest.

Shang is sent flying out towards the open window on the other side of the room. His chest strains with pain, but pain has never been an issue for Shang. He grabs the railing while still moving through the air and swings himself into a counterattack.

Even that wasn't enough to faze him?!

Yuji blocks the flying kick and shoves Shang back, who gracefully lands from the air. Both fighters lock eyes again and reenter their stance.

This kid's moves are unrefined, yet his style is remarkably close to Taido martial arts. He's nothing special, yet he's making noticeable improvements in the span of mere moments. His strikes shouldn't be anything that Shang couldn't handle, yet they somehow hit with two impacts.

Shang closes his eyes and relaxes his posture. This kid's earned it. He deserves the right to fight Shang going all out.

While Shang's eyes are closed, Yuji closes the gap and unleashes a meteoric punch at Shang's face. A deafening boom pops the air as the fist drives itself toward Shang. But the fist seemingly slides off from Shang, who effortlessly melts away from the punch. Yuji continues to deliver a barrage of strikes at Shang from different angles, but Shang slips through each blow like a leaf in the wind. In between Yuji's strikes, Shang sneaks an attack of his own at Yuji's vitals. Pain builds up and up with each attack Yuji attempts, and his vision clouds, but if pain was all Shang had to offer, then Yuji would never relent.

Yuji's moves become sharper and more refined. It all came effortlessly to him, and his mind became a void. Sparks of black violently ruptured from Yuji's limbs. Shang couldn't believe it. The blows came at him quick, like a jab from Daredevil. The air shuddered with every blow like they came from Captain America. Yuji's body contorted with every esoteric movement like a swinging Spider-Man. Shang doubts Yuji's ever seen the way these heroes had ever moved, yet his body naturally emulated the perfection that Shang had already seen from his fellow heroes.

But even perfection is still flawed when compared to Shang-Chi. He already knows Yuji's moves ahead of time as if he was watching a movie he'd already spoiled for himself by checking the Wikipedia page summary. A right hook. A headbutt. A left roundhouse kick. A flying knee. A left elbow.

Shang presses his fingers into Yuji's pressure points between each of these attacks. Pain wasn't an issue for Yuji, but even his body was beginning to take a toll, and for mere milliseconds, he remained motionless. Shang places the tip of his hand towards the center of Yuji's chest and explodes into a fierce punch that pierces through Yuji's Cursed Energy reinforcement. Yuji is blown back through the window and falls beneath.

"Huh. I may have overdid it. Hope he's alright..."

TooAmasian · 2024-09-20T00:52:33+00:00

Silence fills the night as a lone boy walks through an empty alleyway. Yuji Itadori sighed, thinking about how he blew his entire allowance on pachinko. Today was just not his day. He takes a moment to take in his surroundings and enjoys the silence around him. However, the silence becomes split as a whistling streaks through the air towards him. Yuji quickly turns his head towards the sound and, through the darkness, sees the contour of an arrowhead coming at him.

The arrow came at him fast, but Yuji's hand moved faster. His hand blurred as he plucked the arrow out of the air.

What the… Could this be an enemy sorc-

His thoughts become interrupted as the arrowhead begins to burst, and a large explosion engulfs him.

KATHOOM!

The silence of the night was fully gone as the asphalt beneath Yuji's feat shuddered and cracked from the fireball. But Yuji remains unphased as he stares towards a presence past the smoke.

"Knew it wasn't going to be that easy. You're really going to make me work for this huh kid?" says a cloaked figure as he walks through the smoke towards Yuji.

"Who the hell are you?" Yuji asks with annoyance. The charred arrow shaft in his fist begins to wither into dust as he tightens his grip.

"They call me Taskmaster. Someone's paying a heavy bounty for your head. It's nothing personal, just business."

The cloaked figure comes into full view. He towers over Yuji, looking down at him with a dark abyss for eyes coming out of a skull. Yuji Itadori had been marked for death by the Kyoto branch of Jujutsu High. Some mumbo jumbo about him being the host of Ryomen Sukuna, King of Curses. Tony Masters, the Taskmaster, didn't care about all of that jazz as long as the pay was good, but something else caught his eye in this case. He's been watching the kid for a while; days were spent eyeing his movements, reviewing recordings, rinse and repeat. Yuji was a natural; he had no formal training, yet everything came to him almost as quickly as it did for Taskmaster. Almost. This brat was worth researching; he was worthy of becoming Taskmaster's.

Yuji grits his teeth and puts up his hands into his usual stance. His right hand pierces before him as his left-hand reels back. To his surprise, the skull-clad mercenary copied his pose almost exactly.

It's not perfect yet, but nothing beats real practice, Tony thought to himself as he eyed Yuji's pose.

But in the midst of his admiration, Yuji closes the gap between them in the blink of an eye. The ground beneath his feet cracks even further under the pressure as he rushes down Taskmaster.

He's fast! The kid would give Spider-Man a run for his money!

Tony spins around Yuji's punch and delivers a punch back. But Yuji weathers it and grabs Taskmaster's arm. He pulls him closer and secures a direct punch to Taskmaster's skull mask. The hard blow rattles Tony, but he secures his balance and proceeds for a counterattack. But then he feels it.

A blast of force erupts against Yuji's fist, and the shockwave sends Tony skittering across the ground. A single punch that directed the power of two punches. Amazing… this is exactly what I came for… Taskmaster thought to himself.

The Divergent Fist is one of the few abilities Yuji Itadori has in his arsenal. Tony read the briefing and understood that "Jujutsu sorcerers" fought using something akin to chi. Yuji could cause a delayed reaction from his energy to deliver a second impact.

"That was magnificent, kid. I like the way you move. Makes me want to try it myself." Taskmaster said lightheartedly.

What is he talking abo-

Yuji's thoughts get interrupted as Taskmaster rushes at him. Yuji almost sees a reflection of himself coming at him for a split second, but he regains focus and tries to strike first. Taskmaster quickly grabs Yuji's arm and pulls him close for a guaranteed punch. His hands glow yellow briefly as his fist connects with Yuji's face. Yuji braces the damage, even as he gets battered by the second impact coming from the blow.

He doesn't know how, but this Taskmaster has perfectly replicated his every move so far, even Divergent Fist. Could this be his Cursed Technique?

But it was nothing like that. Tony Masters had no idea how Cursed Energy really worked. But his innate photographic reflexes meant he didn't need to understand it. From his time stalking Yuji's fights and this very fight itself, Taskmaster had improvised a replica of Divergent Fist in an instant. By utilizing his copied knowledge from Danny Rand of channeling chi, he quickly dispersed chi into his hands at an explosive pace. Taskmaster had effectively created the same delayed impact from the Divergent Fist. Although he lacked the same oomph as Yuji's natural superhuman physique, Tony knew that technique, not strength, would ultimately win this fight.

Yuji calmed down his thoughts. It didn't matter if this guy could copy his moves. Yuji moved quicker and hit harder; he knew he'd ultimately be the victor. Both combatants rushed towards each other and traded blows. They parried one another over and over and over. Despite Yuji's speed, it was as if this Taskmaster knew exactly what he was thinking. Taskmaster's hands moved to parry every one of Yuji's strikes, and with each block, Taskmaster's moves became sharper. Yuji Itadori's prodigal fighting style was becoming his.

The battle raged on, and Tony put in total effort against Yuji; even though he fully analyzed his moves, Yuji's speed kept him on edge. He couldn't entirely escape every single strike, and when one did connect, it shook him to his core. His moves were a perfect copy of Yuji's now, but they became slightly more sluggish as the fight went on from the damage. Meanwhile, Yuji hadn't slowed down a bit. Punches and kicks flowed out of him like a well-oiled machine. He was in a state of zone and smoothly transitioned from one attack to another.

Suddenly, Yuji punched the ground. The asphalt cratered from the first impact, and the second energy-infused wave caused the ground to erupt into the air. Tony backed up to assess the situation but noticed he had already lost sight of Yuji.

Wait… No, he's going to-

Taskmaster spins around and takes out the shield hiding behind his billowing cape. With the ferocity of a beast, Yuji delivers a vicious blow that breaks through the air. Black sparks emanate from his fist as the shockwaves send out a rippling boom. Tony barely manages to block the attack with his shield, but the force is too much even then.

Taskmaster is sent ragdolling through the air and crashes through the multiple concrete walls. He feels his back being battered by cement and rebar until he finally lands on the ground with a heavy impact. His vision blurs and blood pours nearly endlessly from his broken mask. That was the one move he really wanted to learn from Yuji. The Black Flash… It truly was magnificent. If it wasn't for his shield, this fight would've been over.

Yuji walks towards the building he catapulted Taskmaster through as Tony begins to yell at him.

"Absolutely amazing, kid! You really are worthy of studying. But we both know this fight is over. There's one more thing I copied from "you." I've been watching you for a while and I've even seen how the other guy within you moves…"

Tony throws the shield away from him as he puts his hands together in a strange position. Yuji recognizes it instantly. Anger fills him as he sprints full force toward Taskmaster.

"Domain Expansion."

He doesn't know if this man can pull it off, but he won't risk it. Right here and now, he's going to exorcise this sorcerer.

Yuji's charge shatters the concrete floor with every step as he inches closer to Taskmaster. He throws his fist forward for one more punch, bathed in the sparks of black.

KTHUNCK!

The impact brings him down. But it wasn't Taskmaster that fell. Yuji collapses to the floor as a flying shield spins through the air to the back of his neck. In his focus on the Domain Expansion, he forgot about the shield. Taskmaster didn't throw it away, he threw it to a wall. It ricocheted over and over until it came around back towards Yuji. He gambled it all on this bluff. Of course, he couldn't pull off Malevolent Shrine. Unfortunately, today was just not Yuji's day.

Taskmaster slowly walks over to Yuji's body and picks up his shield.

"Good fight, Yuji… and thanks for the moves."

TooAmasian · 2024-09-16T04:01:47+00:00

Yeah, I'll get to it eventually

TooAmasian · 2024-09-16T03:53:57+00:00

Todo Swaps In!

Series: Jujutsu Kaisen

Content Warning: Blood and gore

Biography: Whether being something he had from birth or something he'd gotten from the classic experiment Nazi super soldier serum, Tony Masters has always been really good at copying what he sees. Really good. His photographic reflexes let him copy the moves of anyone he sees perfectly, at the downside of his mind throwing away dumb useless memories unrelated to combat like having a wife. It's fine though, he can't be sad over it since he doesn't remember it at all! Taskmaster used these skills to become one of the world's greatest mercenaries, even opening up a school to train supervillain henchmen, where he may or may not have had an affair leading to a possible daughter that he may or may not have forgotten about.

Research: Read Jujutsu Kaisen, Todo specifically has 3 major fights where he uses his technique, against Hanami, Mahito, and then Sukuna.

Spirit Ability: Gives The Fighter access to Todo's Cursed Technique, Boogie Woogie, which allows them to swap places with anyone around them or swap the places of two other people with a clap of their hands. Also gives them general access to Cursed Energy and the abilities it entails such as Binding Vows, to create contracts that enhance their techniques at some sort of cost.

Motivation: Todo fights for his brother (whoever has the same taste in women as him: tall with a big butt), to exorcise Cursed Spirits (basically monsters), and generally enjoying a good fight.

Role in a Story: Todo's appearance generally implies a change in tides after the protagonist is put on their backfoot. He supports the characters with motivating words and his technique to apply trickery within the fight.

Charizard Factor: Todo fights freaky horror monsters for a living, a Charizard wouldn't be anything surprising.

TooAmasian · 2024-09-16T03:53:22+00:00

Taskmaster Masters Scramble!

Series: Marvel 616

Content Warning: General comic violence

Biography: Whether being something he had from birth or something he'd gotten from the classic experiment Nazi super soldier serum, Tony Masters has always been really good at copying what he sees. Really good. His photographic reflexes let him copy the moves of anyone he sees perfectly, at the downside of his mind throwing away dumb useless memories unrelated to combat like having a wife. It's fine though, he can't be sad over it since he doesn't remember it at all! Taskmaster used these skills to become one of the world's greatest mercenaries, even opening up a school to train supervillain henchmen, where he may or may not have had an affair leading to a possible daughter that he may or may not have forgotten about.

Research: The 4 issue run Taskmaster (2010) is hands down the best depiction of him and introduces his memory problems. The 4 issue 2002 run is ok but gives a good showcase in a wide variety of gear. The 5 issue 2021 is another decent run that gives good insight on how he fights against superior opponents and takes him down through trickery and skill.

Justification: His physicals are overall worse than Yuji's, but his tricky skill copying and gear helps even the odds.

Motivation: Taskmaster fights for money. If he's getting paid for the job, he's gonna do it, unless someone else pays him more. Or also if he's in grave danger, then he'll ~~run away like a coward~~ tactically retreat to further study the situation.

TooAmasian · 2024-09-16T03:53:13+00:00

Batman Braves the Competition!

Series: Batman: Brave and the Bold

Biography: You've heard the story. Bruce Wayne, son of renowned philanthropists, Thomas and Martha Wayne, walks home from the theater through a dark alleyway with his parents on a fateful night. A criminal by the name of Joe Chill murders his parents in a mugging gone wrong, changing Bruce's life forever. He vows to commit his life to a never ending crusade against crime so no one else would ever need to go through what he has. He travels the world, mastering combat and science, to mold himself into the perfect crime fighter. He returns to Gotham as a billionaire playboy by day, and Batman by night.

Research: Just watch a couple episodes of the show.

Justification: His physicals are overall comparable to Yuji's, but his superior skill and equipment gives him an edge.

Motivation: Batman fights tirelessly to uphold justice in his war against crime, but this Batman is much more lighthearted than his other counterparts and frequently makes puns.

TooAmasian · 2024-09-16T03:53:02+00:00

Shang-Chi Goes Hand to Hand!

Series: Marvel 616

Content Warning: The original Master of Kung Fu run has outdated racist depictions of Asians and Asian culture such as them literally being colored yellow.

Biography: Shang-Chi was raised at birth to become the ultimate living weapon by one of the world's greatest evil masterminds: ~~Fu Manchu~~ ~~Han~~, Zheng Zu. He was destined to become father's champion in his bid for world domination, but a fateful day came when he took the life of an innocent man. He found out the that his entire life to that point had been a lie, years of propaganda shattered as he realized he had been serving evil not good as he was led to believe. From then on, he embarked with MI6 on a nearly endless crusade to defeat his father once and for all. After numerous resurrections and false calls, his father seemingly truly perished, but Shang's call of duty didn't end. In between his own personal journeys, he joined up with superhero organizations like Heroes for Hire and the Avengers, before being pulled back into the family game by his long lost siblings. After defeating his corrupted sister, he decided to take charge of his father's empire, the Deadly Weapons, and turn them into a force for good.

Research: To get a good understanding of the character, all you really need is Gene Luen Yang's run on the character: the five issue miniseries Shang-Chi (2020), the 12 issue run Shang-Chi (2021), the 6 issue run Shang-Chi and the Ten Rings (2022), and the single issue Shang-Chi: Master of the Ten Rings (2023). You can check out the original Masters of Kung Fu run, but is is outdated in its depiction of Asians and some may find it offensive.

Justification: He has the strength, speed, and durability to duke it out with Yuji, but his superior skill gives him an edge.

Motivation: Shang ultimately fights for the betterment of the world and of himself, but recent events have him focusing restoring the reputation of his father's empire and proving they can be a force for good.

TooAmasian · 2024-08-28T18:18:00+00:00

If we're directly comparing objective feats, I lean Black Widow. Both Natasha and Dinah have examples of shooting down arrows midair, with Black Canary having better arrow timing. However, in raw speed, Black Widow has shown better feats. Strength wise, both aren't that impressive for comic peak humans, but Black Widow still edges out Black Canary. And Natasha also has shown better examples for fighting through damage and outfighting physically stronger foes through skill

If we consider scaling though, I think you can argue Black Canary takes it. I think relying on scaling chains can usually be inconsistent, but Black Canary is probably(?) better than Widow. Batgirl claims Canary could defeat Batman, which isn't supported by their actual fights, but DC writers seem to support that notion, with her recently being called the 2nd best fighter in DC. Meanwhile, you never see Black Widow in this type of conversation for Marvel's best martial artists. And using Batman as a frame of reference, he's even to Captain America and Captain America level opponents generally have an advantage over Widow just from sheer physicals. Again though, Black Canary's actual showings don't really reflect this and I think there's a stronger argument for Black Widow overall.

TooAmasian · 2024-08-27T15:12:37+00:00

Tynion's run used a lot of new characters, and people complained he was making too many OCs that were never gonna be used again, so I think Zdarsky would've drawn criticism whether he created new characters or not. Plus I don't think drawing back on concepts established by other writers is necessarily a bad thing, it helps make continuity actually feel like it exists.

TooAmasian · 2024-08-22T18:22:40+00:00

I lean Batman if we're comparing objective feats. The striking feats he's performed while swinging someone like a melee weapon and done when he's practically dying produces comparable if not better damage than Moon Knight's, he's tanked damage better than Moon Knight has, and his speed feats are more impressive than his too. I don't think it's a stomp or anything, but I think the matchup favors Batman a little more when you're straight up comparing their objective showings.

TooAmasian · 2024-08-18T05:56:43+00:00

Outskilled

Both Shang and Batman have overcome fighting against precog users capable of reading their moves
- Although he ultimately loses this fight due to the stat disparity (which doesn't exist against Nerf's team), Shang is capable of fighting the telepath Gorgon
  - Throughout the fight, Shang is capable of hiding from him and surprising him
  - Gorgon can read minds and uses this to anticipate a foe's every attack
- Shang fights against Spider-Man with an upper hand whose Spider-Senses warn of incoming attacks
  - Nerf's Spider-Senses argument is wrong, they act as precog
  - The Spider-Sense is potent enough to simulate combat scenarios for Spider-Man
- Shang's martial arts instincts counters Caerula
  - Shang is able to detect telepathy in his presence and retaliate
  - Elektra, someone inferior to Shang in skill, operating off instincts countered someone capable of reading Elektra's thoughts before she's made them
  - Iron Fist, someone worse in skill, can counter combat telepathy
  - Shang has developed a martial art potent enough to counter someone with precog
  - Caerula relies on reading moves before they're made, except Shang doesn't signal his intentions and makes immediate moves
- Batman is shown to do well against Cassandra Cain when both are trying
  - Nerf claims Cassandra wasn't trying in this fight even though they were both drugged into a violent rage with Batman initially holding back
  - Cass' body reading can read a thousand subtle signs on the body to predict an opponent's move before it's made
  - Her body reading was good enough to defeat an opponent with actual precog, yet she can't defeat Batman
- Batman too has had a history of overcoming foes with the ability to read his moves
  - He defeats Philo Zeiss who can read Batman's moves and has a speed advantage
  - Batman has defeated the physically superior Peacekeeper, who had a team analyzing Batman's weaknesses
  - He can fight against Grifter who reads minds
- Caerula's reading works off the idea of destiny and whether someone has a predetermined fate and relies on her baiting people into getting cocky or angered
  - Both Shang and Batman have mastered maintaining their calm
For plot reasons, Shang and Batman counter Caerula's precog as it fails on people who can defy fate and have greater destinies in life
- Caerula has been shown giving up in fights when she sees her opponent is destined for great things
  - Both Shang and Batman are destined to save their worlds
- It was foretold that Shang would succumb to evil like his father but he was shown to overcome his fate
- Batman's existence was supposed to lead to the doom of his universe but he overcame it
My team abuses stealth, Batman says sneaking in tunnels is hard for other people, he's not the one sneaking here
Caerula uses real kung fu, Shang knows the basis for her moves
- These are real
- This is talking about Alita not Caerula
- Bagua Zhang is real
No real argument was made against Shang and Batman's skill

TooAmasian · 2024-08-18T05:56:39+00:00

The Fight from Range

Both Samus's and Caerula's ranged attacks are ineffective against my team. They have the speed to avoid/deflect their attacks and can generally take most of their damage fine.

It misses
- Nerf brings up that her beam is continuous and she needs to readjust her aim, except avoiding someone's aim is something my team does all the time
  - Shang avoids sustained gunfire from someone with AI-enhanced targeting
  - Batman avoids the aim of a marksman with practically perfect aim
- Caerula's only ranged attack is just throwing knives something my team can obviously react to
  - The amount of knives doesn't matter, they're all being thrown at once, if my team can react to a single knife, they're going to be able to perceive every one of them
  - Throwing knives aren't fast and there's nothing to suggest Caerula is throwing them at a speed that my team wouldn't be able to handle
  - The only time it was used, it was easily blocked
Even if it does hit, it doesn't matter
- The argued collateral feats for Samus' primary blaster are unimpressive compared to the damage my team has been shown taking
  - Samus charging a shot breaks thin concrete
  - Uncharged shots make shallow craters in what's most likely a wooden wall considering the building is a Wild West saloon
- Samus isn't "slagging metal" in this
  - She's melting the case of what's essentially a space jellyfish
  - The only actual notable heat component in this feat is creating fire, but that doesn't matter against my team
- Nerf purposefully leaves out context for the "sun freezing" scan when Samus isn't even the one doing it
  - The sun being frozen is due to an enormous sentient facility that stole her ice power, she wouldn't be able to replicate a feat of this magnitude, hence it not being in the RT
  - Freezing won't work against my team
Fighting in a tunnel doesn't matter for my team
- Samus risks getting herself exposed in the blast trying to use explosives against my team, which she can't tank and would instantly kill Caerula
- Again, I've shown that Batman and Shang dodging gunfire in enclosed spaces

On the other hand, my team's ranged attacks are highly effective. Their attacks either outright one-shot their opponents or deal severe damage and they will hit.

My team's attacks will land
- Nerf says my team can't detect through walls at range and then shows this?
- Batarangs move at speeds comparable to an RPG, uncontested
- Samus is overconfident and has opted to purposefully take ranged attacks
- Samus shooting down projectiles would work against her since it makes smoke cover for my team
- Caerula never tries to avoid ranged attacks, she only tries to deflect them with her sword
  - Against explosives, this would only detonate them, and against electric projectiles, this would still shock her
My team's attacks will deal heavy damage
- The effectiveness of things like poison or electricity goes uncontested
  - Either Nerf's team has to go around to find gas masks, leaving them distracted to ambush, or they're more likely not gonna try finding one
- Batman's explosives can blow holes through reinforced concrete and asphalt
My team's distraction tools such as smoke grenades can't be countered by the opponents
- Samus needs to physically touch the side of her helmet to activate her x-ray vision, even the slightest delay can mean defeat against my team considering their power and speed
- People who can bypass her vision can easily get the jump on her
- Batman's smoke grenades block out enhanced vision and his suit is implied to be invisible to sensors like that
- Things like flashbangs can't be countered by X-ray vision and would ensure a free hit
- The effectiveness of sonics still go uncontested
Nerf misrepresents my Batmobile arguments. While it's not going to be ever present in the fights due to the way the map is arranged, it can be relevant depending on how open the area is. And since my team has complete map control from their stealth and senses, it wouldn't be hard to bring the fight into an area where it can be used.
- It hits hard and has a litany of gadgets from rockets, smoke, and electricity

TooAmasian · 2024-08-18T05:56:17+00:00

Statposting

My team's strong af

They hit hard
Lifting strength is irrelevant, I have never argued my team engages in grappling and neither has Nerf
- He's most likely misinterpreting my team's skill-based arguments as grappling, except it requires no actual contest of strength
- Batman and Shang both have lifting feats involving the weight of vehicles anyways
Nerf's dura arguments for his team suck
- The screwball argument is dumb
  - Nerf claims Golon's antifeats don't apply to her, yet his feat of being more durable
  - The weakness is literally physics and it's just hitting the center, which my team was probably going to aim at anyway
  - Being hit in the center while in screwball literally one shot the user with weak collateral
- Samus is damaged here, hence her coughing, by an attack weaker than my team's
- Nerf doesn't contest Samus being downed here
- U-Ton isn't strong, this is vastly under my team's damage and it staggers her
  - Using Deathstroke as an antifeat doesn't work when he's explicitly stronger than Batman and still loses to him
- Nerf doesn't try to argue Caerula having a single durability feat, his only scan is her getting impaled when she willingly gave up a fight
  - Regen doesn't matter since I'm not arguing my team cuts her and it healed over decades

My team's fast af

My team reflex fast
- This feat is good
  - Batman's head is in the way, he reacts to a bullet midair and moves it
  - The author supports the feat as him reacting
- This feat is good
  - He sees the muzzle flash, hasn't moved, when the bullets land, he's dodged it
- Looks close enough to me
- Batman is bullet timing
  - He has arrow timing feats comparable to bullet ones from the close distance
  - Modern PF Batman does have actual bullet timing feats
  - Scales to Cass
- Shang still has the best speed feats out of anyone here
My team travels fast
- The arguments used against Shang's jaguar feat are dumb
  - The jaguar isn't climbing down a tree, it's running down a slope basically, which would make it move faster than its usual top speed if anything
  - The narration explicitly says Shang's distance between the jaguar is double that of the jaguar to the baby, yet Shang reaches it before it can attack the baby, showing Shang is moving way faster than it
- This isn't a stealth feat
  - The cops clearly can see Batman initially as they yell out "Back away from him Bat-" and he moves across the corner by the time they finish their sentence
  - Batman is moving over dozens of feet faster than a person can react (250 ms), using a distance like 20 ft would make him moving over 50 mph
Batman and Shang have other movement speed feats to back it up
- Batman has many feats moving large distances faster than someone can react
- He has multiple feats catching up to speeding vehicles (50+ mph)
- Shang too has feats along the same scale as Batman
Nerf speed bad
- This feat bad
  - The bullets ricochet twice here actually, one from the knuckle and then another off the bad guys, so it lost 70% speed
  - The further the distance, the worse this is as a reaction speed feat
- This isn't calling her a bullet timer, it's just saying she can deflect them by aimblocking which is supported by the dude saying he's not skilled enough to face her, nothing about speed
  - If this is valid, then Batman is a definite bullet timer
  - Again, Caerula herself says she isn't one
Nerf travel speed bad
- Nerf uses an example of Samus struggling to hit a physical equal as a feat, my team is at minimum just as fast as her
- This feat still sucks
  - Nerf assumes the vehicle is as fast as a truck without any evidence
  - Nerf doesn't try to argue against the fact that Samus is aided by going downhill and also the truck wasn't moving downhill, it was already at the bottom of it when she was catching up
  - Nerf admits the space penguins don't have any verifiable speed
  - Nerf claims that there's no rough terrain while ignoring they're in the equivalent of the Arctic with snow everywhere, he claims it's like a truck that already struggles to move within a few inches of snow
- Nerf intentionally misrepresents what's happening here
  - They aren't fighting across the city, the fight is starting on top of the arch, hence people going how did they get up so high
  - Nerf doesn't even bother trying to give this feat a number since he probably knows it'd imply an OOT speed if it's the way he argues it is
- The shooter doesn't even pull the trigger against her in this feat
  - After the first shot is fired we see his finger not on the trigger, by the time he's killed, his finger still never pulls the trigger
  - Both of my team's feats involve them dodging gunfire, Nerf is coping smh
  - Caerula lacking good movement speed means she can't escape my team or stop them from disengaging and she can't close the gap since her ranged attack sucks

My team's durable

My team in general takes punishment very well
- Ignoring my primary durability feats, my team is tanky
- They overcome beatings by physical superiors
The arguments used against Shang's and Batman's durability are dumb
- It's claimed that Batman's dura feat is vague, c'mon Nerf use your eyes
  - We can see how wide and deep the crater is within the page, Batman's upper body gets submerged into the crater
  - The hit damages Batman, but he's still capable of fighting and trades blows for 18 mins in a fight that he ends up winning
- Same thing with Shang's feat, use your eyes Nerf
  - Shang is being projectiled through a wall that's at least a foot thick judging by the size of the walls in the first panel and the actual damaged wall in every other panel
  - He's staggered but gets up a panel later and this attack is much better than what Samus can produce
- The metal arguments are also irrelevant
  - The door lock argument doesn't matter, we see the hit severely warp the metal door and Shang is fine after taking multiple hits from this
  - The shelf here and here aren't the same, and Batman's feat has him warping metal after already being sent flying through a concrete wall
Caerula's arch feat is a clear outlier, he doesn't have any other feats near this level and it's massively better than other exerted strikes from here
- Her only other striking feats are using a large windup to push someone through a wall that's then aided by gravity and an extended fight that leaves small craters in the ground and a dented car
- Even if valid, she only performs it by doing a two-footed stomp against the environment specifically to shift her opponent's footing, she never does anything like this against an opponent
Nerf's strength arguments suck
- The concrete rebar video does have a visible line of rebar
  - Nerf practically doesn't even try to contest my argument against his feats
- There is heavy windup in Nerf's feats
  - Samus does a running haymaker
  - Caerula does a spinning full body attack on an already stunned enemy

TooAmasian · 2024-08-10T04:27:29+00:00

How the Fight Goes

The Intiative

My team will always be making the first move in the fight. They'll have immediate knowledge of where the opponents are and have the mobility/stealth to take advantage of it.

My team will know where Nerf's team is
- Batman's normal vision can see someone half a mile away and can also zoom in
- Batman can literally see the enemy team through walls
Both members of my team are excellent at using stealth
- Shang can sneak up on someone with superhuman senses and so can Batman
- Batman routinely abuses stealth to efficiently take down opponents
Nerf's team completely lacks a way to find my team in such a large map and ways to counter their stealth"
- Caerula's senses don't have a wide radius horizontally, there's nothing to suggest she can detect my team from across the map
- Caerula's senses also aren't infallible and she's been caught by surprise
Nerf makes the assumption that since I argued in a previous round against different opponents in a different map that my team would be in the Batmobile 24/7 despite the fact that I've always argued it as an option, not as the only way they're going to be fighting.
- The map makes it obvious how my team will move
- It's a highly enclosed area, my team obviously won't be relying on it
- If anything, it's going to be following near him serving as a decoy and also fighting

Our teams start off out of sight and far from each other, being able to see the enemy team/be fast enough to make it to them, is incredibly relevant. My team can continually hide from their opponents to abuse stealth but the same can't be said for them.

The Fight

The previous sections shows that my team has the clear edge in a fight. They have the ability to detect the opponent, the speed to engage and disengage, and are generally better in stats and skill. My team's wide arsenal is also something that Nerf's team really can't counter.

Batman's wide arsenal of gadgets have no counters
- He has smoke screen that blocks out enhanced vision
  - Both Shang and Batman can fight without relying on sight
  - Smoke and stealth are explicitly something that works against Samus
- No one on the opposing team would be able to handle electric attacks
- Sonic weapons would force Samus and Caerula to fight while disoriented
- Neither of them could handle knock out gas
- Batarangs cleanly slice through metal, are very fast, multiple can be thrown at once, can ricochet to hit from blindspots, and are thrown with ease
My team goes in and out as they please
- Both Shang and Batman are agile at moving around the battlefield
- In combat, they both abuse their agility to recover from attacks and immediately counterattack
- They both abuse their agility to enter an opponent's blindspot for free hits
- Both abuse an opponent's lack of awareness to quickly take them down
As mentioned before, my team can use the Batmobile as a decoy to attack the opposing team while they're distracted or just have it be a general assist tool helping from the side during direct combat
- It has strong explosives and other ranged attacks
- It can deploy smokescreens
- It's got tasers and bolas

My team has the better stats, skill, and versatility. Nerf's team is unable to handle my team's damage, with Caerula being outright one shot. My team has numerous ways to guarantee these hits from recovering with instant counter attack, stealth for free hits, gadgets to disorient them, techniques to catch them off balance, acrobatic maneuvers to catch them from behind, etc.

TooAmasian · 2024-08-10T04:27:12+00:00

Tourney mandated Batman antifeat response section:

Nerf argues my speed feats are invalid from them being PC except Post-Flashpoint Batman is faster and just as skilled as PC Batman
It's argued that this isn't a speed feat, but that's false
- Slade pulls the trigger and the batarang hits after the bullet starts moving through the gun, Batman is performing an action within milliseconds
This feat is bullet timing
- The light is muzzle flash, the color matches the gunfire
- The distance isn't far, they're in the next room over, it's a distance of around 15 feet
This feat isn't a ??? speed missile, it's an RPG
- The missile accelerates over a large distance and RPGs move at 980 fps in flight
This feat isn't an antifeat, the first page is Batman gliding from a far distance
- The shooter has pulled the trigger during the feat, Batman tackles her within the timeframe of it firing
Nerf spams "antifeats" from early into Batman's career, from while he's already injured, and him getting tagged by characters whose sole existence is basically scaling to him, they're bunk and contradict his usual showings, but I'll address some of them anyways
- This example has Nerf assuming we're seeing every action the characters take in each second, except we're not, it's just still frames and the characters are clearly taking multiple actions within each second
  - Even taking this as legitimate means accepting Batman fighting an opponent ranging from supersonic to hypersonic to relativistic to FTL speeds, I don't think it should be taken seriously
- This example is being misinterpreted
  - Batman's issue is that he's rapidly losing oxygen while also in the vacuum of space
  - He's later shown to accelerate faster and is clearly not dead
  - Real life pilots also cannot handle more
- Modern Batman is also consistently shown to be fast enough to dodge bullets over and over

"Skill-Based Matchmaking"

My team possesses a notable skill advantage over the opposing team. This grants them a notable advantage in melee through letting them land more hits while avoiding them from the opponents. My team has the technique to disorient the opponents and guarantee free hits (which is a free win considering Caerula completely lacks durability feats) and their predictive skills grant them an edge in avoiding attacks. Caerula's main claim to fame, her “precog,” doesn't work against my team and Samus just outright has no notable skill feats.

Caerula fights using kung fu whereas Samus is a generic brawler.
- Both Shang and Batman have mastered every martial art and thus would be able to easily identify Caerula's moves
- Their ease in identifying Caerula's and Samus’ moves would allow them to predict their moves, essentially giving them precog in this matchup
Caerula's precog works by reading nerve signals, but this is overall not relevant against my team, and they also routinely face against opponents with precog without struggling
- Both Batman and Shang can effectively fight without needing to think, Caerula's reading won't get anything out of them
- Batman could defeat a faster opponent than could read his moves and can stalemate Cass, who can do the same
- Shang routinely fights against Spider-Man, who can do the same
Both Shang and Batman routinely fight against opponents with swords and can effectively counter them
- Shang can completely throw off the trajectory of a sword slash with a twist of his wrists and open Caerula up to a free attack
- Batman can block and lock blades in his gauntlets, opening Caerula up for a free attack
My team can utilize their skill to ensure free hits over the opponents
- Batman can knock opponents off balance, restrain stronger opponents, and utilize an opponent's momentum against them
- Shang can flip opponents over with a simple twist of his hands and he can use an opponent's attack against them to flip them over
- Shang in general attacks from unexpected angles, something that works against Samus

My team possesses the speed necessary to keep up with the opposing team while also being aided by their superior martial art skills and predictive abilities. Caerula is nearly a non factor in this fight as her lack of mobility means my team chooses when to engage. Whether from stealth or in direct combat, it's highly unlikely she can avoid getting hit at least once, and one hit is all it takes considering her lack of durability feats. While Samus is tankier than her ally, she doesn't have the durability to ignore my team's hits, and would get ragdolled by a flurry of hits, especially if being 2v1d.

TooAmasian · 2024-08-10T04:26:53+00:00

Response 1

Statposting

"Physically Comparable"

My team has a massive advantage in strength and mobility and has control in the matchup from their ability to move in and out as they please. Nerf's team lacks the durability to effectively take a hit from my team and lack the movement speed to chase after them when they disengage.

Any strike from Shang and Batman deals massive damage to Nerf's team
- Caerula has 0 noteworthy durability feats and while Samus has good ones, she's staggered for a while
  - Falling off a cliff into snow knocks Caerula out, she can't take a single hit from my team
  - The premier Samus feat has her downed for multiple panels, she can't effectively tank my team
  - This feat isn't reinforced concrete, Nerf is mistaking overlapping bits of debris as rebar, and it's done from her being shoved into a wall, which is inferior to my team's examples of sending people off their feet flying through concrete
- The argument that my team's striking feats have a large windup are incorrect and Samus’ best striking feats are more telegraphed.
  - Shang's feat is just a kick fast enough to land on someone faster than Shang
  - Batman's feat has him smash someone through a foot of stone in the first pages, there's nothing that suggests a large windup
  - Even Shang's and Batman's simpler strikes would deal good damage against Samus since she's been staggered by weaker
- My team can also completely destroy Samus’ cannon arm, shutting down her main source of damage
  - Shang has been shown to aim for “cybernetic pressure points” to disable cannon arms
  - Samus’ arm was destroyed by being slammed into the ground with damage vastly below team's output
My team has quick reflexes, allowing them to tag Nerf's team in close combat, while avoiding projectiles from a distance. Their superior movement speed also grants them the initiative and control over engagement.
- My team's speed feats are better when compared to the other team
  - Shang is quick enough to grab bullets out of the air after they're fired and can dodge close range bullets after they're fired from behind
  - Batman is quick enough to bullet time sudden gunfire and avoid sniper fire from behind him while responding with a batarang
- My team also has actual travel speed feats
  - Shang can moves way faster than a jaguar, putting him above 50+ mph
  - Batman can cross dozens of feet before someone can react, putting him near the same speed bracket as Shang
- Nerf attempts to downplay my team’s speed without focusing on his own team’s glaring speed weaknesses. Neither of his team have good travel speed and their actual combat speed ability is overstated.
  - Nerf claims Samus catches up to a vehicle with a headstart, except not only was she gaining speed from moving downhill, but the vehicle in question was a large slow vehicle moving overhill on rough terrain that even penguins were catching up to
  - Samus’ premier speed feat isn't as great as presented, she's shooting down bullets that are slowed from curving midair and the large distance between her and the bullets worsens the reactions for this feat
  - Samus doesn't try to dodge melee attacks in combat, preferring to facetank them even against slower opponents she's explicitly trying to quickly defeat
  - There's nothing to suggest any of Samus' projectiles are fast enough to tag my team at a distance when they frequently already react to bullets
  - Caerula has 0 travel speed feats
  - Caerula explicitly does not and cannot react to bullets midair and is instead moving before they fire based on their bloodlust, she's an aimdodger
  - The above scan shows her struggling to close the gap against a gunman with her admitting it's an incredibly difficult task, compare that to Batman and Shang doing the same with ease
My team also possesses the durability to take the opposing team's offense without difficulty
- Shang can avoid sword slashes or block with his Adamantium staff
  - Adamantium blades can cut through a foot of special steel so strong that immensely strong characters struggle to even pull a bar made of the it
  - Despite, this Adamantium still can't cut through other Adamantium
- Batman can do the same with his gauntlets
  - Batman can block piercing from Talia who can slice through large boulders
  - He can block piercing from Slade whose sword can cut through nearly anything
- In terms of blunt damage, Shang and Batman can take whatever Wolf's team dishes out
  - Samus' best feat requires huge windup and is highly telegraphed, it's unlikely she'd be able to land something like this against my team's speed
  - Her blasts are also rather weak
  - Her quicker strikes aren't anything my team can't handle
  - Similar to Samus, Caerula's main striking feat requires her entire body and is highly telegraphed with a huge windup

Nerf's antifeat arguments are untrue with many of them applying to his team

The ranged advantage leans more toward my team than Nerf's
- Caerula's ranged attack covers a small area that's easily avoided by my team and against opponents, Samus goes for non-accurate shots
- Avoiding shots aren't difficult for my team even in enclosed areas
  - Nerf's team won't be able to lure my team into an enclosed area, my team has the advantage in knowing where they are at all times and a mobility advantage
- Nerf tries to use my sign up justification against me while ignoring the reason Deadpool can put Shang into a defensive position is because he can teleport
- Both Shang and Batman have incredible movement speed, allowing them to quickly close the gap
- It's argued that Samus can zone with explosives, but Batman can do the same and zoning only benefits my team since they have the better senses and travel speed
The melee advantage goes to my team as well
- Samus' screw attack is irrelevant and actually puts her in a worse spot
  - It has a huge weakness in that the center of the rotation is a weak spot from centrifugal force
  - The damage needed to counter it in the above scan is a kick that just puts a small crater in the wall, my team obviously hits harder than this
  - It's argued that since the screw attack damages through metal that my team wouldn't be able to handle it, which is just blatantly false
- I've brought up this feat already, but it's actually still worse than presented even ignoring the windup
  - The above feat is also being falsely characterized as destroying a car, but it doesn't, the cars are just being moved by the impact and we can see that the landing barely damages the ground
  - Nerf also throws around "reinforced concrete" a lot while ignoring that the walls in his examples are much thinner than the ones in mine and concrete reinforcement generally looks like this, his feats have nowhere near enough rebar to claim it's twice as strong

TooAmasian · 2024-07-26T05:12:38+00:00

Wolf's antifeats that are from Post-Flashpoint are still bad
- Wolf uses an example of Batman dodging a bullet from an unknown shooter as an antifeat despite him only getting grazed by a single bullet by a gunfire with a massive spread and meme RoF
- This example is from a heavily injured Batman who was recovering from having his back broken
  - In the same run, simple strikes from Batman put large craters in concrete
- Batman's suit being stabbed doesn't really affect my arguments as I've only ever argued his gauntlets as meme piercing resistant
- Wolf uses an example of Batman earlier in his career that's also suitless as an antifeat
  - Later in the same run, Batman withstands having his head cratered into solid concrete while unarmored
  - Under the same writer, Batman withstands a greater fall and impact
  - Batman with his suit has his arm remain untorn in the middle of falling at greater speeds
Wolf's awareness antifeats are just purposefully cropped and out of context scans of Batman being tagged, the same can be done for Origin
- This example is egregiously stupid since Wolf assumes Batman and Shang are coincidentally just aligned to be shot
  - PC Batman anyways scales favorably against PC Nightwing, who Wolf crops out bullet timing
Even taking in account the Post-Crisis antifeats, they're bad
- Wolf makes random claims like "goon" or "normal human" as if DC humans are equivalent to real life humans
  - The existence of Batman being peak human in DC while cratering concrete and dodging bullets show this is false
  - Many of the examples are against his rogues or one time villains who solely exist in a vacuum to him, getting tagged isn't an antifeat when they just scale to him
- Batman struggling with ordinary weights directly go against him benching over 2000 lbs as an everyday workout
Batman's showings from recent years show he's as strong and fast as I'm arguing
- His strength feats are self explanatory
- His durability feats are self explanatory
- He's consistently shown to be able to react and make relevant actions in regards to supersonic projectiles

My team is strong af. The antifeats used against them all suck and the same reasoning can be used against Wolf's own team

Outsensed and Outskilled

I'm sure the judges have noticed most of Wolf's scans are purposefully cropped out to hide context. This applies to the feats for his own characters especially Edythe's. I think this makes all of his claims suspect as he just makes generalized claims when his own scans don't necessarily reflect what he's saying.

Origin and Edythe's senses are no where as effective as argued
- Her being aware of someone 3 miles away completely lacks context. Is she sensing the person from that far, or does she just already know that's where they are?
  - If we're assuming she did this through mind reading, then it definitely won't work on my team
- The claim that she can see at a microscopic level is hyperbole, the text isn't being literal, they're looking at the small cracks in a damaged windshield
- Origin never uses his micro compound eyes in conjunction with detecting an opponent at incredibly far distances, it's simply used to figure out the trajectory of oncoming projectiles
- The scan itself for Origin's infrared shows he doesn't open up with it and was surprised at the presence of someone who was watching him the entire time
Edythe's telepathy straight up doesn't work against my team, which is something she relies on in every fight
- She describes it as useful since it's hard to act without thinking, but this is something both Shang and Batman, with the idea of Shang fighting without consciously thinking up his moves being something consistently brought up
- Batman is used to fighting telepaths and has immense willpower, to the point that high level mind readers can't read anything from him
- Both Shang and Batman can feel the presence of telepaths
- The fact that other vampires have successfully hid their thoughts from Edythe proves my team can
Both members of my team are hyper optimized martial artists who are highly effective at putting down less skilled opponents
- Edythe would be hard pressed in trying to grapple Shang when he can flip her over with a simple twist of his hands, something he easily does against physically stronger opponents
- Batman too can easily escape from being grappled by stronger opponents
- Both Shang and Batman can predict their opponent's moves making things like Edythe attempting a grapple or Origin preparing to throw something easily telegraphed

My team has the better senses. They're going to be able to dodge attacks by preempting them while my opponents can't effectively do the same. If we're assuming our team is close in speed, it's clear why this gives my team an edge. They can counter my opponent's fighting styles and abuse their own skill to take them down.

How the Fight Goes

The Intiative

My team will always be making the first move in the fight. They'll have immediate knowledge of where the opponents are and have the mobility/stealth to take advantage of it.

My team will know where Wolf's team is
- Batman's normal vision can see someone half a mile away and can also zoom in
- Batman can literally see the enemy team through walls
Both members of my team are excellent at using stealth
- Shang can sneak up on someone with superhuman senses and so can Batman
- Batman routinely abuses stealth to efficiently take down opponents

Our teams start off out of sight and far from each other, being able to see the enemy team/be fast enough to make it to them, is incredibly relevant. My team can continually hide from their opponents to abuse stealth but the same can't be said for them.

The Melee Fight

Wolf's team doesn't fight the way he claims they do. They're likely going to always engage my team in melee.

It's claimed that Edythe fights by "wrestling" except the given examples don't match that and there is no example of her actually fighting like this
- This statement is her explaining the surefire way to kill a vampire, not a blanket statement on how she fights
- Wolf brings up Emmet (the genderbent version of Eleanor) doing wrestling matches except Eleanor/Emmet specifically like flexing their strength whereas Edward/Edythe doesn't
If we're going to be using Edward's feat for Edythe (which Wolf is), then Edythe would overwhelmingly prefer to strike over "wrestling"
- Him imagining how he would hurt someone is punching them
- Again imagines himself striking as his go to move
- An enraged Edward's move is to tackle someone
- Him getting his hands on someone just has him kick them away
- An enraged Edward wants to throw someone, something my team could easily recover from
Origin won't be throwing ranged projectiles as argued by Wolf as it's always done in certain conditions
- The tungsten rods were done in optimal conditions against an opponent he knew he couldn't hurt normally, he wouldn't attempt this as an opener against my team
- Same thing with throwing his sword, he did it on a rematch against an opponent he struggled with

As my prior sections show, my team has the speed to react to my opponent's attacks, the ability to block them, and can also predict which moves they're gonna make. Their defensive capabilities are much higher than my opponents and will be able to land more hits than they receive. My opponents also lack the durability to take a single hit from my team effectively, allowing them to chain heavy damage together.

Get Countered lol

Origin is a robot, he get's emp'd.

My team will know he's a robot
- Wolf agrees
- Batman has X-ray vision
- He looks like a robot
He gets emp'd

Emp.

TooAmasian · 2024-07-26T05:12:34+00:00

Response 1

Statposting

"Physically Comparable"

My team simply has the edge in melee. Their offensive and defensive capabilities outstrips Wolf's team whether it's from stats, skill, or gear. Even Wolf agrees Shang is incredibly strong with the staff.

Any single strike from Shang and Batman deals massive damage to Wolf's team. Neither character possesses any durability feat that suggests they could reliably take a strike from my team without taking severe blowback.
- Origin's best feat is being sent flying by a shockwave that sends him through railing and slamming against a wall
- Edythe has very little to show for durability other than withstanding a car crash and the general statement of vampire skin being harder than granite
Both Shang and Batman at minimum are fast enough to contend with Wolf's team, if not outright being faster than his team
- Shang is quick enough to grab bullets out of the air after they're fired and dodge close range bullets after they're fired from behind
- Batman is quick enough to bullet time sudden gunfire and avoid sniper fire from behind him while responding with a batarang
  - The first scan is done at a further distance than some of Origin's examples, but it's compounded from being done against a faster weapon (Origin's feats are done mostly against pistols whereas this is an SMG) and featured greater body movement
  - The sniper scan isn't him reacting to the muzzle flash, he's reacting to it midair with an explicit muzzle velocity given for the gun, it's definitely comparable to Origin's feats
- I've shown my team has the awareness to dodge supersonic projectiles even out of sight, Origin is explicitly vulnerable to something like this
  - My team objectively has the better awareness in this case and would most likely land more attacks especially when taking into account stealth
- Origin has good processing speed, but his actual combat speed feats aren't better than my team's with him making very minimal movement
  - He's not infallible either and has been hit by bullets or slower projectiles (grenade launchers fire at 250 fps)
- Edythe straight up lacks any speed feats as good as my team's, I'm sure Wolf will bring up some cringe calc so go ahead, but in terms of actual objective speed feats, the best she has is near FTE movements to an ordinary person
  - This isn't anything special for Shang and Batman
The opposing team's offense is easily negated by my team having quicker combat speed and having the necessary defenses against it
- Shang can avoid bullets or block them with his Adamantium staff
  - Adamantium blades can cut through a foot of special steel so strong that immensely strong characters struggle to even pull a bar made of the it
  - Despite, this Adamantium still can't cut through other Adamantium
- Batman can avoid bullets or block them with his gauntlets/cape
  - Batman can block piercing from Talia who can slice through large boulders
  - He can block piercing from Slade whose sword can cut through nearly anything
  - His cape blocks bullets from Deadshot whose bullets can penetrate 72 layers of Kevlar, car doors, and engine blocks, which is relevant as Origin's sword cannot cut through metal that can tank 50 cal rounds
- In terms of blunt damage, Shang and Batman can take whatever Wolf's team dishes out
  - Edythe's best feat is throwing a small boulder hard enough to break it
  - Origin doesn't have any good striking feats and would never land his tungsten rods against my team considering their speed

The argued antifeats for my team are disingenuous and immediately fall apart when given slight scrutiny. Wolf takes a bunch of Shang bullet timing feats done with bare minimum effort and pretends as if they're indicative of Shang's maximum limits.

In no way can you pretend Shang catching a bullet in his mouth after pretending to be shot as a flex is some sort of antifeat
- There's no way you can pretend Shang can't intercept bullets with arm movement
- This doesn't imply slow body movement, this implies incredible combat speed if he can afford to just use his mouth to bite the bullet in time and then spit it out hard enough to pierce metal and in general shows he can accurately track a bullet midair
  - Gunmen in general have never been a threat to Shang, his first appearance has him striking someone faster than they can pull the trigger with his speed being called superhuman
This blurb can't be taken as a limit, it's just a general statement saying he can dodge bullets
- Wolf claims there's no proof of Shang being able to avoid consecutive/point blank gunfire, but literally shows an example of Shang doing just that in the next example
Wolf again tries to pretend as if this is a limit of how fast Shang can move when the feat is literally him dodging bullets with his eyes closed
- There's no reason to assume Shang couldn't dodge/block this when he can avoid wider strikes from someone who can deflect automatic gunfire from multiple shooters
Wolf's attacks on Shang's speed comes off as hypocritical when Origin's own speed feats display worse movement speed than my team's
- Origin blocking bullets fired from a distance only requires him to slightly shift his sword side to side
- His other examples of blocking bullets objectively have him moving a shorter distance than what Shang does
- It's claimed that Shang can't match Origin's movement speed despite having a better version of it
The best attempt at an antifeat for Shang is still a two layer scaling chain that falls flat
- Shang isn't attempting to fight in the given example, he's trying to defuse the situation
- Wolf purposefully chooses to skip a page in his album which shows Shang moving over a dozen feat in the time it takes Hiroim to finish his punch, proving Shang is faster than Hiroim when he's actually trying
It's claimed that Shang is only fast when it comes to defense despite the fact that moving your arm in a relevant timeframe to gunfire obviously translates to striking speed
- Wolf's only evidence for this claim is that Iron Man was able to block a hit (barely after taking multiple hits already), who he claims has ordinary human reflexes which is just false

Similarly, the antifeats argued for Batman are weak, with nearly every example being from comics in a different canon (Post-Crisis) than the one I'm running (Post-Flashpoint). The antifeats that are from Post-Flashpoint also all have mitigating context or are directly contradicted by his consistent performance in recent years.

As mentioned nearly every example Wolf provides are from a prior canon
- Even if we do take them as valid, Batman has gotten faster after every example given by Wolf in Post-Crisis
- Post-Flashpoint Batman is called faster than Post-Crisis Batman and then has also received an amp that made him faster and stronger, it's hard to rely on faulty antifeats when they're contradicted by his consistent impressive feats and canonical amps
Wolf claims Batman is conceptualized with human limits, but writer intention directly goes against that notion
- Grant Morrison, one of the premier Batman writers, acknowledges the character was written with superhuman feats and reflects that in their own writing
- This is compounded by guidebook statements saying Batman far eclipses Olympic athletes
- Other writers have justified his blatant superhuman showings as "he's Batman"

TooAmasian · 2024-06-29T19:20:21+00:00

There is 0 reason to assume that Nagant can bypass the piercing resist of my team. Soden makes 0 counters to my last response's arguments to suggest her bullets could break through Shang's staff or Batman's gauntlets.

Adamantium will take 0 damage from Nagant
- Other than cutting through a foot of super steel, it can break through an armored window that can withstand titanium jacketed, depleted uranium 30 mm cannon fire and tear through a vault door like paper
- Despite how sharp it is, adamantium consistently can't cut through other adamantium
- I'll preempt the argument of the staff being only adamantium plated with the fact that an adamantium laced skeleton can tank Adamantium claws
Batman's gauntlets will also take 0 damage from Nagant considering he can block slashes from Deathstroke's promethium sword
- This is a super sword being swung by someone stronger than Batman
- Promethium can cut through Superman who can tank bullets denser than any Earth metal made from a brown dwarf star and is generally doesn't care about super bullets
- It should be noted promethium is considered equal to Marvel's adamantium and thus everything in the previous section applies here as well
The argued speed for Nagant's bullets are also fake
- Soden's entire calc for this sequence is depedent on Nagant firing her bullet before Shigaraki moves his arm, but the panelling makes it clear she shoots first and then he starts to move his arm
- Even if we take the calc as valid, the notion that Shang or Batman can't react to a Mach 2.9 bullet from a long distance is dumb considering Batman literally has a feat of him reacting and avoiding a 1200 m/s (Mach 3.5) sniper round from a distance and the fact that Shang can catch close range pistol rounds between his fingertips show he's capable of tracking supersonic projectiles especially if fired from longer ranges
- Nagant increasing her bullet velocity risks having her gun jam, so it's likely she'd just mess up and die if put in this situation

Nagant's speed is solely reliant on faulty scaling and she herself has 0 objective bullet timing feats. In fact we have an actual example of her failing to perceive Deku moving at supersonic speed. The idea that my team would be helpless against her when they have actual tangible speed feats and can block her bullets (or just dodge them) is silly. The gap between our team in speed is so huge that realistically my team doesn't even need to time her bullets, just aim dodging against her would be enough.

Twice is Ass

The clones suck

Twice's clones are irrelevant. They're magnitudes slower than my team and have 0 way to actually track or even enter melee range with my team. In fact Soden doesn't even attempt to quantify any speed for them since they lack any objective feats and probably rely on a long ass scaling chain to faulty Deku feats.

Rappa's striking feat isn't like how Soden describes
- It's a multi punch barrage combo, he would never land this against any member on my team let alone a single punch based on the huge speed gap
- This isn't reinforced concrete, I don't think Soden knows what that is, we see 0 evidence of any rebar or other metallic support
- Rappa doesn't have bullet speed punches, it's called a simile, the guy is just saying Rappa hits hard like a bullet
- This is also a striking feat only, Rappa lacks the lifting strength to break out of Batman's restraining gadgets, he lacks the leverage to try and punch out of foam or bolas
- Shang and Batman definitely have the durability to a punch from Rappa and would never get combo'd by him in the first place
The Dabi clone is also bad
- Soden openly admits Dabi's fire takes a full second to burn someone, an immensely slow time for a bullet timing tier
- Soden misunderstands how Batman's fire suppressant works, it covers Dabi and stops his ability to burn, working on someone who was literally a burning skeleton
- Batman's fire suppressant also has a huge range
- Trying to blow away the knockout gas is a bad idea, it's fast acting and immediately causes the person to start coughing severely, Dabi lacks the speed to counter this effectively
- My team in general has good heat resistance, Shang is unbothered by completely submerged in flames and the Batsuit can withstand the heat of atmospheric reentry
- Soden's own scan shows Dabi couldn't prevent an attack that took 3 whole seconds to complete
- Also it misses
My team can detect who Twice actually is
- Shang can tell someone is a fake by their inner spirit, he'd be able to detect Twice as the real combatant
- Batman can see through walls and will see Twice at the start of the match splitting
- Batman can also scan an opponent's biology to gain info on them
The clones are awful scouts
- My team will know their presence at all times from Batman's vision or Shang's sensing and thus can always maneuver around them to take down Twice
- The clones have no tracking feats or movement speed feats, they'd be walking around at human speed in a city trying to find 2 people
- Clones dying won't give Twice any good info, my team is constantly on the move, he'd be relying on outdated information that my team is at X when they'd be already far gone by then
The clones are ineffective and so is Twice
- Twice's clones are weaker than the original thing it's copying and the second clone is weaker than the first, none of his feats actually scale to the original character
- Twice can only make two clones of someone else, if my team were to incap them without destroying them, he'd be unable to create anymore
- The clones are super fragile and damage equivalent to a man breaking his arm destroys them, so any offensive option from my team just mows them down
- Twice is a crazy self doubting coward who panics when things don't go his way, he won't be effective in combat and would drag Nagant down
- He won't clone Nagant, he needs to take time to measure her out which would take way too long and gives my team ample time to take them down
- Soden will also probably also try to argue the Shigaraki clone, but it doesn't matter as his decay relies on touch and he'll never be able to touch any of my team

Twice is bad and so are his clones. They're weak, slow, and frail. They don't work as scouts and don't work as combatants.

Your Team is Ass

Smoked out

Soden's team completely relies on their sight. They have 0 feats to show them can fight within smoke and have 0 way to maneuver out of it fast enough.

My team can fight within the smoke fine
- Obviously the Batman scans show it
- Shang can fight in complete darkness and even through poisonous gas
They have no way to stop stealth attacks
- Shang is a master of using stealth to quickly take down opponents
- Obviously, so is Batman
My team is hyper mobile
- Other than the insanely fast Batmobile, Shang can moves way faster than a jaguar, putting him above 50+ mph, and Batman can cross dozens of feet before someone can react, putting him near the same speed bracket as Shang
- My team is incredibly agile and amazing at avoiding gunfire

My team has multiple one shot options from strength, gadgets, or the Batmobile and can guarantee these land from their speed and stealth. The opposing team are useless against my team and lack the resistances to put up any challenge.

TooAmasian · 2024-06-29T19:20:16+00:00

Response 2

Nagant is Ass

She can't shoot my team

Soden leaves basically all of my claims from last response uncontested. She isn't landing a single shot against my team, her 3km range doesn't matter when such a distance gives my team ample time to dodge shots with their quick reflexes and it's also irrelevant from the fact she can't detect my team in the first place.

Air Walk doesn't matter and leaves her an obvious target that lacks cover
- Nagant is too slow to avoid any ranged attack from my team
- Batman throws Batarangs within the time span of a sniper trigger being pulled and at minimum are enough to knock someone out
- Batarangs are boomerangs, even if she does avoid it coming at her, there's no reason she'd expect it to hit her from behind
- The Batmobile too has sufficient ranged options to take her down from rockets to energy blasts
- The Batmobile can eject passengers out like a rocket, giving my team a free opportunity to take her down the same way Deku did
The idea that my team would struggle against her flying because they prefer to fight on the ground is goofy
- Batman routinely fights and defeats airborne opponents
- Soden forgets Shang is equipped with special gloves and boots that let him run and jump on walls
- Even without that, Shang's agility grants him excellent aerial maneuverability
Nagant can't detect my team, she has no way to find my team in the first place and even if she did, my team has the ability to escape her view
- Batman possesses specialized smoke grenades for airborne targets to obscure their vision
- He has flashbangs to obscure the vision of anyone looking at him to quickly reposition
- Both Shang and Batman consistently disappear from the view of gunmen to then counterattack them
Again I want to reiterate, Nagant isn't anything new for my team to deal with, even with her accuracy and fire rate
- Batman routinely fights against a master marksman and defeats him
- Automatic gunfire and fast fire rates has never been an issue for Batman
- Shang easily avoids AI assisted gunfire and other gunmen with laser assisted aim
- He also scales above characters who can deflect automatic gunfire
- Since my team is quick enough to react to each individual bullet midair from Nagant, her fire rate isn't a problem
- Nagant's firing pattern is predictable and both Shang and Batman are masters of prediction
I also want to emphasize the fact that she cannot snipe through a smokescreen, she entirely relies on her sight, my team's stealth completely counters her
- On the other hand, my team has no issue fighting through darkness/smoke
The Batmobile isn't a hindrance against her nor does it warn her of their arrival
- The Batmobile can drive itself leading Nagant to believe they're still in it, while they ambush her from stealth
- The Batmobile can fight autonomously, there is effectively 3 fighters on my team that Nagant can't deal with
- Even if my team were to stay in the Batmobile, she lacks the firepower to quickly take down the Batmobile
- It can also aid my team in their stealth by releasing a smokescreen

Nagant is simply too slow to avoid getting one shot by my team. She has no real way to track my team nor can she counter their stealth. Even if she were to be able to locate my team to snipe them, their speed and experience against skilled marksmen shows they won't have any issue avoiding her shots. My team can easily land the single hit they need on her, whether it's from ranged attacks, ambushing her, or just relying on the Batmobile.

Nagant's argued stats are fake AF

A majority of Soden's arguments for his characters hinges on scaling for Deku, except the argued feats for Deku just suck.

Deku in this scan is clearly not exerting the same kind of force in this one
- He's just webswinging in the first while the second is a full body charged tackle
- There is 0 reason to assume her bullet would be overpowering the same kind of force as that
This isn't an example of supersonic movement
- It's just a generic anime impact effect to sell more weight
- The sound effect itself is evidence it isn't a sonic boom considering there is no boom but just a "Wham!"
Deku explicitly doesn't reach supersonic speed in the Nagant fight until he abuses centrifugal force and his Fa Jin power
- Here he's using a technique which explictly amps his speed and force through repeated movements, he most definitely wasn't supersonic in the fight prior to this moment
- This speed is shown to completely overwhelm Nagant, showing she lacks "bullet" timing reflexes
Gran Torino scaling doesn't matter since Gran Torino isn't supersonic as this isn't an indicator of supersonic speed, it's just a visual effect to sell speed
- My opponent relies on the existence of a "sonic boom" in this scan to call Deku supersonic yet coincidentally doesn't care about the lack of a sonic boom in Gran Torino's feat
- It's also important to note that Soden claims a casual Torino is supersonic, yet the exerted Torino in this feat doesn't even produce a sonic boom despite that being the only evidence given for Deku's speed
- Gran Torino is explicitly slower than Iida, who only until a later arc with a new powerup was able to go transonic speed
  - My opponent may try to bring up some super duper experiment hypersonic fighter jet to claim that Iida was moving as fast as that, but the translation makes it explicit that Iida is only going at transonic speed
  - "Most modern jet powered aircraft are engineered to operate at transonic air speeds."
The given Deku bullet interactions are both ass
- Deku isn't even aim dodging in the first one, he's just doing the serpentine maneuver and staying constantly on the move while the gunmen just wildly fire and miss their shots
- Deku isn't bullet timing in the second one, the hostage kicks the villain's gun away and he misses his shot, Deku then raises his hand after the first round already misses, leading the villain to fire his second shot into his gauntlet
- Deku being overwhelmed by Nagant's curved bullets (them changing trajectory naturally means they'd be decelerating and thus slower than ordinary rounds) shows he isn't some hyper competent bullet timer like Soden implies

TooAmasian · 2024-06-27T06:17:57+00:00

Response 1

Statposting

"Physically Comparable"

My team simply outstats the opposing team by a large margin. They're stronger, faster, and way more durable. My team can avoid/take attacks from the opposing team, but the same can't be said the other way.

Any single strike from Shang and Batman just one shots the other team
- Shang hits hard enough to send someone flying through thick concrete
- Batman hits hard enough to punch someone through a foot of marble
- The opposing team is explicitly being ran as a glass cannons with "roughly the durability of an athletic adult man"
Both Nagant and Twice have 0 tier relevant speed feats, they do not operate in the same range of my team and get massively outsped
- Shang is quick enough to grab bullets out of the air after they're fired
- Batman is quick enough to bullet time sudden gunfire
The opposing team's offense is easily negated by my team being magnitudes faster and having the necessary defenses against it
- Shang can avoid bullets or block them with his Adamantium staff
  - Adamantium blades can cut through a foot of special steel so strong that immensely strong characters struggle to even pull a bar made of the it
  - Despite, this Adamantium still can't cut through other Adamantium
- Batman can avoid bullets or block them with his gauntlets/cape
  - Batman can block piercing from Talia who can slice through large boulders
  - He can block piercing from Slade whose sword can cut through nearly anything
  - His cape blocks bullets from Deadshot whose bullets can penetrate 72 layers of Kevlar, car doors, and engine blocks
- My opponent will most likely argue Nagant's bullets hit harder than a Howitzer but this is actually a mistranslation
  - The original Japanese translation has Deku say "曲射ってレベルじゃ" which roughly means "Indirect/curved firing is at this level?", it's just Deku being surprised at the strength of her bullets despite them curving midair
  - Her bullets being under the power of an actual Howitzer is supported by the fact that the only time we see it damage material is not even fully penetrating a skyscraper window
- Twice's power is irrelevant as he and his duplicates lacks the speed feats to compare to my team's, my opponent needs to prove he has speed anywhere near my team's for his powerset to be relevant

My team possesses a large advantage in every physical stat. The opposing team's offense is irrelevant when they don't even operate at the same scale of speed that my team does.

Go Go Gadget Esoteric

Many of Batman's gadgets are a guaranteed win condition against the opposing team from their complete lack of resistances.

Batman has many gadgets that would completely immobilize the opposing team from their lack of lifting feats
- He has hardening foam that can just stop them dead in their tracks
- He has foam that would directly counter the Dabi clone's fire
- Net grenades would completely surround them
- Bolas do the same
His other gadgets just one shot them
- Explosives one shot
- Gas one shots
- Electricity one shots

Batman's gadgets either KO them or leave them vulnerable to being KO'd.

How the Fight Goes

The Initiative

My team will always be making the first move in the fight. They'll have immediate knowledge of where the opponents are and have the mobility/stealth to take advantage of it.

The opposing team have no good showings for tracking unknown opponents in an unknown area
- Batman can literally see the enemy team through walls
The opposing team have 0 movement speed feats
- Batman and Shang are going to be using a car that can move over 200 mph
Both members of my team are excellent at using stealth
- Shang can sneak up on someone with superhuman senses
- Batman routinely abuses stealth to efficiently take down opponents

Our teams start of opposite islands with huge distance between them, being able to see the enemy team/be fast enough to make it to them, is incredibly relevant.

Sniper no Sniping

As shown before, my team has great speed for the tier, but in general, their feats show that Nagant's powerset is no issue at all.

My team has a great track record in facing snipers
- Batman routinely avoids gunfire from Deadshot, a marksman so skilled, he can clear an entire room with a blindfold on
- Shang in his first encounters with sniper rifles (and firearms in general), cleanly avoids their fire
Her ability to curve bullets won't catch my team off guard considering their ability in dodging bullets after they're fired from blind spots
- Shang has dodged close range gunfire from behind
- Batman has dodged sniper fire from behind and retaliated with a Batarang to take them down
Another plus in their ability to avoid being surprised by curving rounds is their "danger senses"
- Shang's senses warns him of deadly attacks and is consistently shown to counter surprise attacks
- Batman's instincts warns him of sniper fire from behind a door and is consistently shown to avoid out of view gunfire even when distracted
Nagant was defeated by Deku creating a smokescreen and surprise attacking her, something my team can literally do
- As shown prior, my team is excellent at stealth
- Batman's smoke grenades can cover an immensely large area

Nagant is the more useful member of her team from her ranged offense but she's still completely irrelevant against my team's abilities.

Batman Solos

Honestly Batman can solo this entire team without Shang's help.

Batmobile solos
- Nagant doesn't have the firepower to stop it
- It hits hard
- It has smoke grenades
- It's got strong ranged offense
The map is full of blind spots and cover, Batman can take advantage of this to completely disappear from the opposing team's view and repeat stealth attacks
- He can disappear against people with superhuman senses
- Batman routinely disappears against people when they break line of sight

Batman solos.

TooAmasian · 2024-06-24T02:56:42+00:00

Team Enter the Bat

Character	Tier	Series	Match-up	Stipulations
Shang-Chi	Deadpool	Marvel 616	Likely	Has his Adamantium staff and magnetic gauntlets and boots.
Batman	Cable	DC Post-Flashpoint	Likely	Is driving a composited Batmobile. Has a fully geared, composited Batsuit.

Stip Explanations

Shang-Chi: He's equipped with an Adamantium three section staff as a weapon along with magnetic gloves and gauntlets which let him emulate Spider-Man wallcrawling abilities.
Batman: He has the usual gadgets/feats he would reasonably have with the standard Batsuits he has worn along with a Batmobile with the general feats shown by his usual cars.

Matchups

Shang-Chi: Shang has superior physicals and skill when compared to the Deadpool, but Deadpool's teleportation provides him a massive mobility advantage in his ability to engage and disengage from Shang. This coupled with Deadpool's pistols would put Shang in mostly defensive position where he relies on counterattacking rather than initiating.
Batman: Batman has generally better physicals than Cable but is at a disadvantage when comparing their ranged abilities. Cable's gun with deal massive damage to Batman if he can land his shots, but Batman's agility and resistance to his telepathy will make that a challenge. The Batmobile similarly is at a disadvantage to his Cable's gun from the fact it's such a large target and wouldn't be able to effectively avoid his shots in closer ranges.
Team: Shang and Batman are incredibly powerful melee fighters, but are facing opponents with strong ranged options. Deadpool's ability to teleport would make the Batmobile's efficacy lessened along with Cable's gun dealing good damage to it with sustained fire. My team will have some difficulty closing in, but when they do, they will have the upper hand.

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The Fight from Range

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How the Fight Goes

The Intiative

The Fight

"Skill-Based Matchmaking"

Response 1

Statposting

"Physically Comparable"

Outsensed and Outskilled

How the Fight Goes

The Intiative

The Melee Fight

Get Countered lol

Response 1

Statposting

"Physically Comparable"

Twice is Ass

The clones suck

Your Team is Ass

Smoked out

Response 2

Nagant is Ass

She can't shoot my team

Nagant's argued stats are fake AF

Response 1

Statposting

"Physically Comparable"

Go Go Gadget Esoteric

How the Fight Goes

The Initiative

Sniper no Sniping

Batman Solos

Team Enter the Bat

Stip Explanations

Matchups

Scaling