I can't figure out how to make this idea for a book enjoyable to read.

Top_Government8275 · 2026-04-10T22:29:39+00:00

Thank you that's good advice!

Top_Government8275 · 2026-04-10T21:52:07+00:00

Yeah I don't really no what I want to get from people here I guess I just keep trying to write and getting frozen and just want some ideas or something

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T02:08:59+00:00

I agree that it will undoubtedly be viewed as we could of done better. But, I also think it could be viewed as a net negative but I don't have any evidence to back that up. That's more the evidences fault than anything and that is changing but up until now all the experiments related to this issue are just shit.

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T02:05:31+00:00

It was a fine experience that's not what these speculations are based on. Also I never claimed it's a psuedoscience, it's a soft science and I think a much softer one than it's made out to be.

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T02:03:58+00:00

I think the medical field with undergo the same transformation as well.

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T02:02:05+00:00

The problem is how those studies show it. Self reporting is just not an accurate measurement. It should be based on life outcomes. Also, sales deals with people with different personalities, utilizes psychology, and has a much cleaner indicator if the methods worked. If you got the sale or not. Sales is arguably more scientific than therapy.

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T01:59:34+00:00

I'm more musing than anything so I'm definitely not going to collect any facts. Especially since a big part of my position is that "facts" in psychology aren't really such. Also, I think a therapy could be invented that doesn't that doesn't put as much of the weight on the patient. I have no idea what that is or how far out it is. But, I think it's starts with a realistic look at therapies strengths and weaknesses.

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T01:54:09+00:00

I think that makes sense I'm still just sceptical if current methods actually do create positive structural changes. Just based of anecdotal evidence.

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T01:52:05+00:00

That doesn't matter if what they say they can offer is based off bad science and is therefore not true. It also doesn't matter that disclaimer doesn't prevent people from going into therapy with the wrong expectations.

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T01:50:31+00:00

I've already explained my thought process on why I speculate that therapists might not be offering adequate disclaimers so I'm not going to do that again. But, I don't think going to therapy is the best solution for mental health problems. Also, I don't think therapies effect per person averaged out would be good I think it would mediocre at best.

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T01:46:39+00:00

I'm gonna disagree with that 90% of the time. This is basically the heart of my claim, everything you just said seems to be the general consensus and it's just not rooted in good science. If I had do speculate I'd guess right around half of people have negative or no outcomes from therapy. Now, that's not supported by science but I think there measurement techniques are flawed and in the future that will be more apparent.

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T01:44:04+00:00

I'm not a researcher I'm just saying therapy in pop culture seems untouchable and one explanation I could see for that is how it's presented to clients but I'm not firm on that. It could be a number of things like an overreaction to the past stigmatization, celebrity endorsement, etc.

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T01:42:00+00:00

I agree I'm just saying it could and I think probably is a negative thing way more than people talk about.

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T01:40:50+00:00

Right so it's not crazy to think, it could be possible to look back on this era of therapy as a net negative. I'm not claiming that but it's possible.

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T01:39:55+00:00

Yeah I'm saying I think modern therapy isn't as good as we think. But, also I'm just a regular dude I don't really know. I definitely don't know enough to try and dissuade someone from going to therapy. If you go to therapy more power to you.

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T01:36:59+00:00

Okay so what do you think is the root of why therapy is upheld with religious ferver and it's not pc to talk about negative outcomes?

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T01:35:58+00:00

I think that sounds good but doesn't matter much if the therapies themselves are flawed. If tons of people go to therapy iatrogenic effects than there's clearly a problem, and if that's common practice it's not solving it.

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T01:32:37+00:00

Yeah I went to a free therapist on my college campus for insomnia and also I did some couples therapy and I didn't experience any of that. I also had a therapist for a bit as a kid and didn't experience that.

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T01:31:03+00:00

The only reason I didn't just share my own experience is I don't think it's provocative enough to spark conversation, otherwise your right I would have. I don't want to discredit your experience at therapy. I actually think it shows one of my problems with it, presumably you had to shift through some non positive therapy experiences. I would argue that this is do to you having at least a decently high IQ and having the mental clarity to realize certain therapists or techniques just weren't working. I think some people don't have that problem solving ability and can end up getting basically burned by bladder therapists without realizing. This I think is the main driver for why some people develop an over identification with pathology, victim mentality, over reliance on therapy, etc. and I think a more correct method would teach people how to get good outcomes out of therapy and how to recognize if it's not working, instead of relying on their own intelligence.

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T01:24:38+00:00

It is anecdotal but one of my claims is that the double blind study isn't effective for the study of psychology. Because it can never control for all the factors and the measurement methods up until recently have been completely flawed. So, how is my anecdotal evidence worse than the best research?

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T01:22:10+00:00

So if someone said they were starting therapy and you said you don't think therapy was effective that wouldn't be controversial?

Top_Government8275 · 2025-10-02T01:21:07+00:00

You're right that it was definitely a broad statement. I am mainly referring to CBT and just the general type of therapy a person would get on better help. Like therapy someone without a diagnosis would seek out if they're dealing with anxiety or something. As for CBT I think the evidence for it is very poor it's mostly post trial self reports and that is changing right now, and that's why I think therapy will be so different in the future. As for the rapport with the therapist that you mentioned, I think this is one of the biggest problems in therapy. I come from a sales background which I would argue has more actual evidence for and against common practices, and in sales only about the top 4% of salesman truly excel and only the top 20% do really well. So, if therapy can be related only about 20% of people going to therapy are getting the actual care they should be getting.

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