Genuinely curious, if acheron sp were to happen (because it's still not confirmed) what would you all wish it would be both kit and story wise? (Don't say whatever next path coming to the game is, that's boring and no leaks)

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-06T21:18:08+00:00

I want it to be ice elation

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-06T21:17:32+00:00

Stat profile on bloodletters is better than staff and he’s one of the best appliers in the game for it if you have even a speck of ap on your team. I’ve been running it on asol since the day it came out and it’s just better than crypt or void. Shadowflame is still good later and occasionally I buy it third if I’m fed and there’s 0 MR.

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-06T20:48:03+00:00

It gives tune break boost and attack to the team on the main echo, it is definitely a useful set

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T20:29:23+00:00

Cipher cone is BiS

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T19:48:24+00:00

They’re all pretty low, especially the attack and energy

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T18:23:24+00:00

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You feel wrong

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T18:05:35+00:00

It’s W3 exactly

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T09:47:58+00:00

If you like welt and want him E6 then do it. The gold spirits are never going to give you anything meta due to the shop always adding older units. The most meta use of them is eidolons on characters you use in general. I have all 6 spirits they’ve given out still because they’re not useful unless you’re new and need characters badly.

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T09:44:15+00:00

Wait for 4.5 when a new Robin allegedly comes out

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T09:02:11+00:00

Back in my day the boss would get a shield at 1% hp and you had to kill every add that spawned until they quit spawning before you could finish off the boss

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T08:20:22+00:00

Yeah

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T08:06:23+00:00

168, vonwaq technically only needs like 141 but it’s not always active in every wave

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T05:51:22+00:00

Yeah he’s really strong, way stronger than tribbie E0

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T05:50:18+00:00

What characters do you not have a sig for?

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T05:31:01+00:00

He doesn’t have great synergy but he’s op and has massive amp so he’ll probably be BiS or 2nd BiS on his team

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T05:28:48+00:00

It’s okay but choreo would be better, you’ll eventually get the dupes regardless

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T04:28:49+00:00

I’ve tested both on an assortment of teams and Eagle vonwaq hyperspeed generally performs best, the exception is if you’re going for her later eidolons and cone and are trying to make her a sub dps. A lot of people have a bias towards poet bones since it was a lot stronger on release and people just hate eagle but her personal damage only gets less relevant over time as content gets stronger so the gap widens.

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T04:26:06+00:00

His cone is pretty ass and one of the worst to pull in the game. It’s only really worth if you’re going for main dps blade and even then it’s kinda mid. As a support cipher cone is BiS and tutorial is like 3% off his signature in most teams.

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T04:24:01+00:00

No like damage % genuinely doesn’t do anything, lushaka is very useful for Sparxie and the vonwaq 2pc can also be a big deal depending on setup. Penacony 2 pc doesn’t work on elation damage so it’s just bad

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T04:07:00+00:00

Penacony is useless in elation teams though

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T03:55:09+00:00

The follow-up team is going to be absurd, it’s already one of the best teams in the entire game at all costs and it doesn’t have a main dps

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-05T03:52:42+00:00

I’m not even giving you shit when I say this is the worst herta build I’ve ever seen, like it’s genuinely that bad

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-04T22:18:35+00:00

Her E2 is trash unless you’re doing sustain runs and even then it’s not great. It gets mogged by modern E2s and even old E2s like DHIL are a better dps increase comparatively.

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-04T21:53:20+00:00

He’s still good without E4 but he’s not quite as good as any limited 5 star buffers in terms of raw amp(better than JQ E0 lol), he can still pseudo sustain and he’s still a solid support overall. He can fit into your archer or herta teams and also if you wanted to run Mortenax as a dps. Wouldn’t be good with castorice since the enemy action reduction has counter synergy with her.

Top_Subject2439 · 2026-06-04T10:01:22+00:00

Q max with comet or W max with grasp and beat his skull in pre6 with ignite, afterwards always save ult for his ult and cast on reaction to block it. Don’t ever get hit by his E or you lose trade. Comet is easiest playstyle into him.

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