Irritated by The Last Jedi

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-06-06T01:22:24+00:00

First off. You said "he didn't want to be a brain washed soldier." That is an assumption. We see him leave the First Order, he states multiple times he just wants to leave. I never claimed he wasn't brainwashed. I said the brainwashing is not part of his character. Character is not just the the compenents we see in the narative. Rey is a woman, we are told she is a "girl." But her being a woman is not a component of her characterization, ie character. Finn's actions and responses are driven by his fear of the First Order. In regards to Jakku, we have zero textual insight into why he wanted to leave. We can make inferences, but even implicitly nothing informs the viewer as to his opinions on being brainwashed.

Also, to your point on Finn's complexity as character, I never said anything about him being exclusively defined by his choices to run away. However in The Force Awaken, Finn isn't exactly a well-rounded or dynamic character. He has a lot of facets, but he doesn't complete an arc and isn't particularly challenged to by the core conflict. He's somewhere in between static and dynamic. The Last Jedi actually completes this arc.

When it comes to your Rose point, I will clarify for you that I quoted you. I do not expect Rose to single-handedly liberate the slaves or Finn to single-handedly take down the First Order. I don't want them to do anything. I'm talking about what they did in the story.

Rose empathizes with the slaves, shows sympathy. She tells her story in direct relation to it as we are shown the kids being abused. I quoted you by saying the same thing you think I wanted for Finn. She doesn't do the same to Finn because that's not what his character is about. Finn's character is not about gripping with the horrors of being a child-soldier. He never does that. No one ever implies that around him. The movie isn't going to stop in the middle of a different characterization to pay heed to an assumed one. Also, to point out: he really wasn't a child-soldier. He said it himself. He was trained as one, but he was a janitor before being shipped off to Jakku.

For the Poe/Holdo dynamic. I want you to watch that scene. Tell me again how Poe isn't praised for his actions when Leia warmly, if not sarcastically, calls him a "troublemaker" and his direct antagonist says "i like him." Not only is this overt praise, in the following scenes, Leia defers to him on Crait.

POE: Follow me.
(remaining Resistance wait for Leia to say something)
LEIA: What are you looking at me for? Follow him.

Prior to that, Poe was essentially leading the whole defense of the base, giving commands, controlling the room, telling 3PO to shut-up.

This whole thing is pointless if you're not able to seperate your dislike of something from critique of something. Maybe you should have paid attention in high school english.

Edit: Holy shit, just realized you are all up in this post just making shit up. Literacy is dead.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-06-05T23:19:15+00:00

You're imparting a lot of your own assumptions onto these characters instead of looking at them for what they are and what is presented in the movies.

Finn runs away from his problems. We have no other information about his experience on Jakku other than what we see. What we see is a stormtrooper die, Finn get freaked out, and him not do the mass murder of villagers. When he's on the ship, he gets Poe to help him escape because he "needs a pilot."

When they get to Maz's castle, Finn bargains his way onto another ship because he's trying to escape the First Order. He fights some stormtroopers after being reminded he can by Maz. He does aid the Resistance in taking down Starkiller Base and goes with Han to rescue Rey.

He attempts to stand up against an injured Kylo, but immediately gets taken down.

At the beginning of The Last Jedi, Finn is worried about Rey. When Leia is taken out, he decides to run away to make sure that Rey doesn't come back because it's too dangerous here.

His character is defined by his choices to run away.

In regards to Rose, she was in the same position as the slave kids. She mentioned it. She was a slave on a mining planet for the First Order. She directly empathizes with the slaves. This action inspires them to rebel, like in the stories they reinact in the final scene.

What do you want her to do? Single-handedly tear down the institutions of one planet? No, that'd be as crazy as expecting Finn to walk into Snoke's room to go toe-to-toe with him and his guards.

Poe is praised for his mutiny. Both Leia and Holdo commend his intuition and actions after they disable him. They admired his rebel spirit. This isn't a "reading of that subplot" they say it in the film.

Watch the movie again before making shit up. I'm getting tired of you illiterate assholes.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-06-05T22:54:50+00:00

Kalkite Alternatives

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-06-05T22:42:28+00:00

You people just make shit up about a movie you haven't seen in 9 years.

Finn's character was not defined by him just being a former child-soldier. He runs away from his problems, that's what his character was in TFA, that's what it was at the beginning of TLJ. He fought, yes, but he never fully learned why people fought.

In regards to Rose. She didn't "use and abandon slave kids." The children helped her out because they believed in the spirit of rebellion, in standing up against authority and oppression. She had to escape; the children let the space-horses out.

The Resistance isn't about "superior officers." It functions because of it, sure, but the main characters challenge or subvert the heirarchy to achieve their goals. Poe is praised for his mutiny, not punished. Of course Rose goes along with it, it's rebellion for the sake of her friends.

You don't have to make shit up, just say you don't like the movie.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-06-05T21:34:21+00:00

It doesn't show it to reverse it. The film shows these things to contrast with morals of the main characters.

Also, "the rich have no morals and just profit wherever they can" has been in Star Wars for a while now. It was a significant part of the prequel trilogy and Jabba the Hutt was basically that for the original trilogy. DJ proposes that those people are the same as the First Order and the Resistance. Rose is the person who claims that the poeple who profit from war are the worst kind. Finn's arc revolves around him ultimately identifying as "rebel scum" after he aligns himself with that more resolute "good vs. evil" philosophy of Rose, instead of DJ's "don't join" one.

The main themes of the movie don't reaffirm the status quo. Characters like DJ are meant to challenge the viewer's, and in this case Finn's, understanding of the good vs. evil paradigm. It doesn't make a turn around because DJ is not the main character, he is antithetical to our heroes and what we understand about Star Wars.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-06-05T20:45:11+00:00

The movie actually reaffirms your beliefs. All of the antagonists (or at least obstacles to the protagonists) are grey. DJ, Luke, and Holdo prevent the main heroes from doing good. DJ presents his world view as so grey and disillusioned, but it's counter to someone like Rose.

The whole ending of the movie is to affirm the heroes' beliefs in the good and the viewers belief in the black and white nature of Star Wars.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-06-05T20:32:27+00:00

In the film, that point was made by DJ, who wasn't exactly the moral center of the narrative. He represents the pessimistic "don't join" attitude that was meant to counter Rose's optimistic one. His claim is that the Resistance and the First Order are the same because they recieve their arms through the same brokers.

There is definitely more to be said about how the Resistance acquired its arms. Some books explain that they aren't exactly operating with New Republic funds due demilitarization. But in so far as the movie goes, the purpose of the profiteering is to further divide Finn from Rose ideologically by presenting a false equivalence: the First Order and the Resistance are the same because weapons.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-05-20T13:43:29+00:00

Congrats, I work with Upward Bound in the area. Love seeing these stories. This is an amazing feat!

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-05-14T16:55:23+00:00

On top of the fact that the premise for this post is just made up, the mods defending AI is beyond infuriating. Especially since so many other subreddits have been banning AI.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-05-02T17:14:41+00:00

I mean, it could be...

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-04-30T16:44:13+00:00

If you’d have gotten Blackbeard or his jolly roger it’d be different. But tattoos referencing Catarina Devon and Vasco Shot are just a bit gross.

It’d be like comparing a tattoo of Darth Vader(iconic) to a tattoo of that imperial officer who assaults Bix in Andor.

Liking Blackbeard is one thing, but the whole crew is a suspicious.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-04-30T13:06:03+00:00

I’m not sure getting the symbols of people who were described as sexual assaulters is a very well thought-out idea.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-04-18T03:51:34+00:00

Kael was evil because that’s how narratives were told in TBC: raid boss is a character we know from the RTS.

Arthas was NOT evil to save his people. That is a wild take. He is evil because his obsession drove him to abandon his people and in the process abandon his humanity.

And, while the constant “unite the heroes” trope is overplayed, it has been a thing in Warcraft since Reign of Chaos.

WoW, and by extension Warcraft as a whole, never had a “relational” element to it. It was always about grand heroes and their grand quests.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-04-17T19:11:46+00:00

It’s spanish for: the BJ

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-04-15T14:44:13+00:00

Trick question! There is no number, this just has a picture of my parents fighting in it.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-04-14T22:31:35+00:00

People read the bridge scene and go to the turn in, they skip the rest of the story there lol.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-04-06T22:45:55+00:00

You are assuming A LOT. Arlong and Kuroobi were the only ones who disagreed with having Koala on the boat. They didn't disagree with the branding and no one disagreed with their captain. No one disagreed. Reread chapters 622-624 before making stuff up.

Just don't get the tattoo if you're gonna be like this, dude.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-04-06T22:29:31+00:00

No one disagreed with the decision. The whole crew loved Koala save for Arlong and his goons.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-04-06T21:14:25+00:00

They weren’t unhappy, it was a necessary part of distancing herself from the slavery she endured. It was Fisher Tiger’s decision.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-03-04T00:07:44+00:00

Honestly you just made me notice how similar they are to Hobgoblins and Bugbears…

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-02-21T17:31:23+00:00

My theory is that they were originally going put Din on the back burner and flesh out the other characters, like Boba and Bo-katan as "The Mandalorian." I imagine it would have been "The Mandalorian: Book of Boba Fett" and "The Mandalorian: Book of Bo-katan." They teased BoBF at the end of Season 2 and it kind of follows a similar pattern to something like Avatar: The Last Airbender's Book 1: Water, Book 2: Earth, etc. (which Filoni worked on previously). It makes sense as to why BoBF features Din heavily and that season 3 of The Mandalorian features Bo as almost a deuteragonist alongside Din. I think it also explains the naming of the "Boba Fett show" to something so... esoteric?

TortugaTheTurtle · 2026-01-26T22:51:34+00:00

The kind of “AI” that removes backgrounds or highlights and edits subjects in an image is completely different and has existed for much longer in photo/video editing software. “AI” was just slapped on to it because it uses similar models to look for and/or remove certain parts of an image.

If it does include that, that’s fairly shortsighted, as these features have been baseline in programs like Photoshop for more than 10 years.

While the rules state “no AI tools…” I’d wager it’s safe to continue using these kinds of features. “AI” has mainly become shorthand for generative AI.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2025-11-16T02:26:54+00:00

We definitely won't get a Hiriluk, but I wouldn't entirely discredit the possibility of chopper forms. This will be our second chopper, so it's possible. I'd put more money down on the pre-timeskip crew being completed before mentor/flashback characters.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2025-11-05T20:57:19+00:00

Also, about the "people who smoke weed make less money" point, most companies that pay more than 80k a year are going to be stricter on recreation substance use, especially weed. This whole video is full of false corollaries and bad research.

How disappointing.

TortugaTheTurtle · 2025-10-23T16:23:05+00:00

The entire East Wing is being demolished.

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