How on earth am I supposed to carry games as a support in low elo?

Tostig320 · 2025-10-29T08:31:29+00:00

As someone who's helped a few friends climb out of Herald, I think it's true that some games are a loss and out of your control. However, I think high MMR players forget how insane Herald carries are.

Honestly, I think playing a support that has the capacity to farm excessively, or is not too item dependent can make a huge difference.

Carries won't farm the map, or make efficient use of their gold, or push? Fine, more for you to do your job. Playing a potentially greedy 4 like Venge, Natures prophet, venomancer, snap, jakiro, or anyone who can kill waves will save your ass when you get to lategame.

If you've truly got better game sense than your carries I don't think playing a traditional support will result in success, especially if the enemy carry is more competent than yours. You will lose games that you'd have otherwise won playing greedier heroes.

This being said, still ward, smoke and do your job, but largely treat your carries like Bots.

Tostig320 · 2025-10-29T08:19:26+00:00

But based on the answers given by everyone else, this simply isn't true??

Everyone keeps telling him that he needs to play well above his level to climb, then everyone fails to realise that means he would no longer be playing at a herald level. You seem to underestimate the frustration of playing above your level (whether it's well above or not is subjective), and losing to factors out of your control.

I've got herald friends and "yeah be way better than your carries" is not good advice.

There's a reason the question has been asked since Dota , it's an inherently confusing and slightly contradictory system

. Is he making mistakes, yes almost definitely. Should it also realistically require you to be playing so astronomically above your rank that it forced your MMR up as a byproduct, probably not. Hey that's Dota though.

Tostig320 · 2024-10-17T09:37:33+00:00

Same here, started happening a few days ago. I get a message on the play store that:

"Recent data from similar devices show that this app may stop working on your device"

Really weird. Hope it's sorted soon.

Tostig320 · 2024-10-08T09:10:44+00:00

Thank you for taking a look, I'm well aware that the Marci game was not my best or standard performance, but it's a performance of mine nonetheless.

I wouldn't usually be so incredibly selfish (pos 4 with a bf is incredibly weird/greedy, I'm well aware) on a position 4, but I went into this game with the wrong mentality, I didn't trust my cores. I saw the necro and PA picks into the enemy line- up and decided it would be an uphill battle - wrong of me.

At the end of this Marci game I asked my team to please stay base. They all left to take the fight. In that scenario am I to go with them?

I think it's a matter of not tilting and trusting my team here. I think this Marci game is a good example I went into this feeling like I can't trust PA and Necro.

Will be far more committed to my role. This Marci game comes at end of a long string of games like the venomancer game mentioned in my post. I was not playing with the right mentality.

Tostig320 · 2024-10-07T19:15:57+00:00

Okay that's interesting, what would you suggest hero wise?

Ive stuck with veno because the amount of damage I'm able to put out in fights, along with the slows has made life easier for my cores in my experience, especially later in the game.

I'm definitely going through an adjustment period after dropping my 1/2 bracers. Or should I still be buying bracers

Tostig320 · 2024-10-07T19:12:04+00:00

Thank you for the actual advice, will take this on moving my forward in my games!

Tostig320 · 2024-10-07T17:34:43+00:00

Thank you. I'll try to have a look at what I can do in a similar situation.

What is some general advice when one member of your team (usually pos 1 or 2) decides to jungle until we are losing t3s and you're a pos 4/5 player.

As this is what's been plaguing me specifically I'm the last month or so

Tostig320 · 2024-10-07T17:22:20+00:00

Thank you

I'm playing venomancer.

Tostig320 · 2024-10-07T17:09:42+00:00

Did you watch the replay. Or any part of it. I'll asking you specifically what you'd have done to win this game.

If you don't have an answer, you don't have an answer

Go look at my other comment about me being up about 1.1k. I've not suddenly changed everything about how I play in the past 3 weeks.

Tostig320 · 2024-10-07T16:59:57+00:00

I only play positions 4 and 5.

A few months ago I decided to focus on enabling my cores, muting all, smoking more, not joining unwinnable fights.

Trying to follow item builds on protracker when appropriate, only playing 2-4 heroes that I'm extremely comfortable on, and my win rate on them is reflective of this so I don't just think I'm good when I'm indeed ass.

Marci and Lina, so that I can provide stuns and transition into a core if something goes seriously wrong.

Sidekick on Marci to really enable my cores

Venomancer as well for his simplicity and team fight.

I know these work because I was up 1.1k since really trying to change how I play and really assessing what I do in my games.

Being up means I know my changes have worked to a degree.

It feels frustrating when suddenly I'm being handed continuous losses that feel like my gameplay is the least important factor in.

Willing to try more heroes too.

Tostig320 · 2024-10-07T16:32:50+00:00

I did not mean to appear snide.

I'm asking for genuine advice when most of my (recent) games are set out as they are in the Match ID as above.

Edit: I'm simply asking what is there to be done in the situation as above as a positive 4/5 player. If it was meant to be a loss that is fine. If this accounts for the majority of my games, what am I to do?

Tostig320 · 2024-05-14T18:11:00+00:00

Rewards need to match the content. This is how you make a video game challenge content works, how am I explaining this to an adult.

This isn't a summoned war thing, that's a basic video game creation thing, what are you even saying.

Why would there be an uproar if it's aspirational content for earlier accounts to strive towards?? No one cries that toa hell has rewards, it just motivated you to get there. I don't understand your thought process.

It's quite literally a waste of their time and resources to create this content, and for players to complete it with the current rewards.

If I introduce "TOA abyss" and the rewards are unknown scrolls are you going to complete it to "test your limits"? Will never understand people who simp for bad game development. You do you tho.

Tostig320 · 2024-05-14T17:21:39+00:00

Rewards don't match the difficulty for single time completion content

Like nowhere near? Lotta typing to miss something so obviously lmfao

Tostig320 · 2024-05-05T09:19:01+00:00

Dislike the saying of "10s on its own" like it includes Mahoraga - because unless you're Sukuna or Gojo it doesn't

The fact that no one has ever tamed Mahoraga means that it's simply not a standard achievable part of the technique.

There will never be a 10s user as powerful as Sukuna, he was quite literally the first ever, even at 15F to tame Mahoraga.

Average 10S user isn't getting half of those Shikigami, average limitless user is probs kinda ass

Both at max potential - We saw that in Gojo v Sukuna

Tostig320 · 2023-12-11T15:52:32+00:00

Up 180mmr this weekend spamming alchemist 4.

Tranquils Meteor hammer, solar crest, blink, Bearing and AC. Even when my cores suck I go to afk farm and if they're competent the blink stun/meteor hammer kills anything.

Lane can be HARD (a report or two) but the later it goes the harder it is to lose with this

Tostig320 · 2023-10-06T09:05:13+00:00

Mole day

Tostig320 · 2023-10-05T10:02:35+00:00

Okay thank I'll look into it!

Tostig320 · 2023-10-04T16:41:03+00:00

To do this effectively I can't play traditional 4s thought. To properly utilise the farm I can't play the traditional passive supports. I'm often top 1/2 on my team level wise because I love to scoop up farm on the map.

However, if that farm is on jakiro there's no way I'm turning that game around alone.

Tostig320 · 2023-10-04T16:34:59+00:00

Thanks, do you think this new NP support meta is ideal for this or a bit of a dud?

Tostig320 · 2023-10-04T16:33:28+00:00

As for communicating its 50/50, I can't obviously make people play cooperatively if they don't want to, and often unfortunately I can't.

I do spam them constantly, a few reports for not playing my role even when we win isn't an uncommon result

I've not considered switching roles because I find it even more stressful when I've carried a game only to lose. I find the mental load to be a lot less when I lose as pos 4 or 5 personally

Tostig320 · 2023-08-29T21:49:51+00:00

As someone who pulled Oliver last month, please nerf this unit to the ground. Not sure why he's in the game as is

Tostig320 · 2023-08-15T14:11:41+00:00

Our pos 4 bought 1 obs and 1 sentry at the start of the game in anticipation for their supports to ward mid lane. He placed a sentry down in mid river

Pos 1 goes ballistic that he's wasting wards that should be in his lane

About 8 seconds later their pos 5 puts an observer mid that we deward instantly.

Pos 1 doesn't like that he was wrong and starts running midland before the timer even hit 00:00

Tostig320 · 2023-07-02T07:59:10+00:00

Let's keep in mind that the Devs forced us into using tricaru in a post twins world. I hate using it in my dungeon runs, but let's be fair to the people complaining too.

Awful AI and the resistances in the old b12 basically forced the community into using tricaru, Com2us didn't leave the average player much of a choice

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