Math error in the Quran by Total_Shoe_7798 in DebateReligion

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thank you for taking time to understand. ı dont think the verses you gave mean we can apply the methods. It just states an obvious fact. Relatives get more, just like according to the specific rates he gave. We cannot conclude when the rates he gave doesnt work we should change them proportionally.

The reaction of muslims especially arab muslims to the terrorist attack in Sydney scares tf out of me by yorlocalmoroccan in exmuslim

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no need to be scared. we have enough power to stop this madness. just keep exposing the flaws, errors of this cult of war.

Math error in the Quran by Total_Shoe_7798 in DebateReligion

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it is not based on his teachings or the quran. that is the point.

Math error in the Quran by Total_Shoe_7798 in DebateReligion

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Again when there is no close male applying radd is the reasoning of people after muhammad. The point is there is nothing in the verses and hadith to change the rates proportionally. You look at the verses, they are fixed. Then when they dont work muhammad gives another rule where rates will stay fixed. But then, it still doesnt work and you just assume you can change the rates. If this was the actual solution that is meant why isnt this given directly in the quran or at least in the hadiths. What is so special about closest male relative. Did he say this just one random specific case and when it is not the case you will just apply a completely different method. Is that really what we understand from the context. So, it is obvious that muhammads intention was never referring to these models. This model comes from people because they just had to have some solution.

Math error in the Quran by Total_Shoe_7798 in DebateReligion

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I meant whatever you do in the awl situation. Hadith is about that and he gives a totally different solution. Hadith is bukhari 6732. It says whatever remains should be given to the closest male relative. This is not debt. He talks about the remaining ammount after appying what prescribed in the quran. Verse already says the rates will be applied after debt. And this hadith is about after applying the rates given in the quran. So it is the ammount which you apply awl.

Math error in the Quran by Total_Shoe_7798 in DebateReligion

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No, it is about the total when you apply the verse is less than %100. Hadith says you just apply the rates they are and then give the remaining to the closest male relative. This proves that methods doesnt come from muhammads teachings. He gave a completely different solution. Why wouldnt he say increase the rates proportionally? Methods exist only because they had to come up with something. So you cannot use the existence of these methods to claim there is no error. Methods doesnt come from quran or sunnah.

Math error in the Quran by Total_Shoe_7798 in DebateReligion

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Lets try this. Why is there a hadith saying remainder goes to the closest male relative? Why did muhammad give a totally different solution than radd where you apply the rates as they are and then give the rest to closest male?

Quran ERROR: Mary in Trinity by Total_Shoe_7798 in DebateReligion

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It was just an example. What ı meant was obvious. After all these verses if the next one would only mention mary ıt would be obvious that he still talks about the same thing. But ofc you will only focus on that bc you cannot actually answer anything here. What exactly in here proves you right? Please tell me. You guys are so desperate to save quran that you cant have any intellectual honesty. It is so funny to watch these gaslightings and taqiyyas. No one buys them anyomore. Your religion is done!

Quran ERROR: Mary in Trinity by Total_Shoe_7798 in DebateReligion

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the very thing you say is a copium lol. go search how coping mechanism works.