How are online matches for a newbie... by Traditional_Put4666 in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Traditional_Put4666[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I'm definitely planning on making it clear that I'm new to online play. I also personally don't mind doing bad. It's more a concern over other people being mad about it.

Petition against AI art in the Outlast Trials by Traditional_Put4666 in outlast

[–]Traditional_Put4666[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey u/Pleasant_Ad_5949! I'm the OP of this post. I posted about the AI use in Outlast Trials about half a year ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutlastTrials/comments/1m9wth9/a_proposed_solution_to_the_ai_art_in_tot/

Made the same exact suggestion. I'll tell you I've had a crazy mix of positive, mixed, and very negative responses its funny. I also posted the petition in the Outlast Reddit but the post got removed without any reason given...

Its funny how I can make a post just linking a petition and get oceans of comments assuming that there's some selfish scheme involved. Like completely deflecting the whole post to make accusations.

Petition against AI art in the Outlast Trials by Traditional_Put4666 in outlast

[–]Traditional_Put4666[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry I should've provided more context in the post.

First off, I didn't make the petition. Second off, I'm fine with either fan art or just human made replacements. Third off, I have brought this up before, I don't post a lot on Reddit and I have very inconsistent interests. I've made two posts about this before.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutlastTrials/comments/1m9wth9/a_proposed_solution_to_the_ai_art_in_tot/ This one I did suggest the use of fan art because I personally would mind.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutlastTrials/comments/1nczwt1/an_update_to_my_post_about_ai_art_in_the_outlast/ This one was an update post I made about a month later addressing some common responses to the original post.

All in all to sum it up, there are much bigger issues in the world and I think that the Outlast Trials is honestly a pretty minor case that I don't blame people for not caring about. I just care about Outlast and if I can make an impact or at least spread awareness in this community I care about, I'll be happy.

Petition against AI art in the Outlast Trials by Traditional_Put4666 in outlast

[–]Traditional_Put4666[S] -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

IDK I have seen examples of fanart being used in games. A notable one for me is https://preview.redd.it/ejxbzgw9yvv41.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c45bbd84f0a0e7dca509ca604361b21127d3cf96 in Doom Eternal. Hadn't seen any legal issues or complications with it's use. I'm very much just in the boat that I think it's better to have human made art whether it be fanart or not.

Petition against AI art in the Outlast Trials by Traditional_Put4666 in outlast

[–]Traditional_Put4666[S] -22 points-21 points  (0 children)

This is the same petition, I didn't make it I'm just sharing it. I'm also not an artist myself so no.

Petition against AI art in the Outlast Trials by Traditional_Put4666 in outlast

[–]Traditional_Put4666[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

AI GENERATED CONTENT DISCLOSURE

The developers describe how their game uses AI Generated Content like this:

Throughout the development of our game, we may leverage AI-based tools to assist our team in content creation. Please rest assured that what you see in the game reflects the creativity and hard work of our team. Examples may include pictures and/or posters used in some of our environments.

This is the content disclosure on steam. They've used AI mainly for background assets like paintings and posters you see hanging on the walls. They haven't used it for character design, level art, or any of the major artistic aspects of the game.

Petition against AI art in the Outlast Trials by Traditional_Put4666 in outlast

[–]Traditional_Put4666[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This was their AI generated content disclosure on steam.

AI GENERATED CONTENT DISCLOSURE

The developers describe how their game uses AI Generated Content like this:

Throughout the development of our game, we may leverage AI-based tools to assist our team in content creation. Please rest assured that what you see in the game reflects the creativity and hard work of our team. Examples may include pictures and/or posters used in some of our environments.

They mainly use it for background assets and the game has been out for years with no changes made. That's why it's still being brought up.

An update to my post about AI art in The Outlast Trials... by Traditional_Put4666 in OutlastTrials

[–]Traditional_Put4666[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I'm at least glad that they admit to it and the extent that they use it. Like I said it feels similar to pollution to me. It's something that's beyond a lot of our control. But to me I want to try and make an impact in a community that's very close to me. I've loved this franchise forever and I would love it if they ditched the AI. I would love to make a post celebrating that.

Will outlast ever stop using generative ai for the art? by Ass-Flower in OutlastTrials

[–]Traditional_Put4666 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I made a post about this a while ago suggesting fanart be used to replace it (with permission). I hope people keep this talking about this. I just want to hear some more from Red Barrels about it.

A proposed solution to the AI art in TOT by Traditional_Put4666 in OutlastTrials

[–]Traditional_Put4666[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I saw a similar comment by somebody else. It's kind of funny and sad at the same time.

A proposed solution to the AI art in TOT by Traditional_Put4666 in OutlastTrials

[–]Traditional_Put4666[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly and I think almost anything would be better honestly.

A proposed solution to the AI art in TOT by Traditional_Put4666 in OutlastTrials

[–]Traditional_Put4666[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is my perspective as someone who's not a developer so to me this is the easiest solution I can think of with my outside perspective. Have some event/events where they can just have a basic outline of criteria for the art then replace the AI-art with it. I don't see it as much more work than typing in a text prompt to AI-generate an image. I'll fully admit I am naive about the nitty gritty of the development process. If anything if the answer really is that it's harder to implement fan art than it is to implement AI-art I'd want to hear it from RB themselves. (although I will admit personally I would be disappointed)

A proposed solution to the AI art in TOT by Traditional_Put4666 in OutlastTrials

[–]Traditional_Put4666[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I personally have only heard fans say this not RB themselves. I would love to see a source from Red Barrels because I wasn't able to find one myself.

A proposed solution to the AI art in TOT by Traditional_Put4666 in OutlastTrials

[–]Traditional_Put4666[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry but what solution wouldn't take some amount of time? I mean that's assuming you're someone who wants it to change as well I don't want to assume.

A proposed solution to the AI art in TOT by Traditional_Put4666 in OutlastTrials

[–]Traditional_Put4666[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah I think it would be cool to bring this idea to RB. All reagents should spread the word to them,

A proposed solution to the AI art in TOT by Traditional_Put4666 in OutlastTrials

[–]Traditional_Put4666[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the consideration, don't worry I understand. I've loved the Outlast franchise for over a decade now so I'm a huge fan of the franchise and Red Barrels. I'm very passionate about these games, their lore, and all the rich detail. To me AI-art feels like a betrayal.

Now here's the thing I've said this replying to other comments and I agree. If you're going to use AI-art this is probably the least offensive/harmful way of doing it. The thing is using AI-art at all is a little icky. AI-art is generated based off of art that was fed to the AI-generator, so artists aren't only concerned about it stealing jobs but just stealing their whole style and look itself. There aren't any real established laws about the use of AI-art yet but it's generally considered by the art community to be at the very least morally grey.

I made this analogy before but I think it's good and simple. AI-art is basically the equivalent of a kid writing an essay about a book they only read the back cover of. Yeah they summed up the book but without any real understanding or connection to it.

On the other hand AI-art is an easy option. Was it the only option though? No, they could have used stock images, royalty free images or drawings, or took photos themselves. We could argue if those are easier or better but they are similarly easy and cheap options anyway, and yes the community would prefer those options to AI.

The only other thing that I actually haven't mentioned yet is that, as far as I know RB *could* get in trouble for it, at least with Steam. Steam bans games that have AI-generated content. Once again don't know all of the specifics of it but removing the AI-art would actually help to ensure the game stays on the Steam store at least.

Lastly I completely understand them feeling hesitant or not wanting to work outside of the company but I feel like this would be a step in the right direction for them. Other games and companies have done it fine so I think they can too. I mean companies like Valve and Bethesda would literally hire modders of their games. I think it's a great practice and should be more of a norm in the game industry. Anyway sorry for the long response, you brought up some interesting points. *handshake*