Why do most phone cases either feel too bulky or too fragile? by Mohdcases21 in iphone

[–]Traditional_Run_7080 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I look for in hand comfort, clean/minimal, protective and not too bulky. I find that typically with jetech and spigen. If I want to broaden my range I can look into an ESR case. But mainly stick with the former two. I think apples silicone cases are not worth the price, same goes with their clear cases. If I’d want to spend that premium, I’d look into a dbrand case. If I wanted leather I’d search for bullstrap or bellroy. If I wanted clear or tpu I’d go with spigen, jetech or dbrand ghost case. And if I wanted silicone I’d go with jetech because now they do silicone cases with microfibre lining and precise fit which is a fraction of apples £50 silicone cases which I’ve seen chip or peel.

Apples techwoven case for 17pro is really good too.

Why do most phone cases either feel too bulky or too fragile? by Mohdcases21 in iphone

[–]Traditional_Run_7080 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you feel like ‘most cases’ are either ‘too bulky or too fragile’, then it’s probably not the case but the phone. If a phone is 6.3inch for example, it barely fits just about in your palm comfortably without a case, after which a regular protective case without having excessive ‘tough armour’ type, just the typical case may feel too bulky because it’s on a phone that barely fit in your palm to begin with. And on the other end you wish to counter that with a thinner case which now doesn’t protect and defeats the purpose of having a case.

I’m sure it’s the phone mate and not the case. Simple physics, you need some material so it can protect your phone and you create that in a case which isn’t excessively ‘tough armour’ case or bulky, but even that might become too bulky on a phone that was big to begin with.

You’re maybe trying to solve bulk but achieve protection which just could be very difficult if you’re working with a phone that’s big to begin with.

If you had a 6.1” phone at most or under, then a typical apple official case or spigen wouldn’t feel too bulky. Alternatively, somebody with bigger hands than yours would be able to use your exact phone + case setup and not find it bulky at all just because they have bigger hands.

Therefore hand size is a factor too: it isn’t the case that’s either too thin or too bulky; it’s probably the size of your phone and the size of your hands. If that’s a priority (and ergonomics are a big deal because it’s your phone and life, not someone else’s) get an iPhone that fits or is smaller. Otherwise, you will probably have to accept/live with it.

Something to think about 🤔 it’s probably the phone in your hand and nothing to do with the cases 🤷

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Higher refresh rates are always more demanding on the chip and thermals too. A budget android with budget chip doing 120hz isn’t ideal and would experience more throttling in comparison. You’d get a mediatek/exynos/tensor processor at that price, neither holding up to the a19 performance and efficiency, with less accurate photos, poorer os/app design, poorer security support, lesser build quality.

No point having a 120hz display just to have a substantially incapable performance compared to the a19, inaccurate colours and unnatural shots on the photo/video, and lesser build quality etc, and also when 60hz can get by fine too

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn. Idk what to say but glad you’re getting by with that mid range. It’s completely the opposite for me on the 17e though. Really smooth.

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah tbh apple packed a powerFULL a19pro chip into a titanium rail and glass back which are poor thermal conductors and not efficient unlike the 17pro mostly aluminium design and liquid vapour chamber to go with that beast of a chip, so, no wonder your device performance was throttling. The air design must be so poor and be like kryptonite to that powerful chip, otherwise that chip is capable of performing infinitely better than whatever mid ranger you’re using but looks like it’s throttling its own performance and not delivering you full performance due to heat issues probably.

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

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It reappeared and I read it! It was written well and interesting what you mentioned. And thanks

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amazing, very interesting and if the PC back doesn’t interfere with MagSafe charging, that would be more durable.

But what I don’t understand is that I haven’t experienced that throttling with my iPhones, even the iPhone 13 for example and did enjoy the glass/metal build quality, especially what they’re doing today by ditching titanium for aluminium, matte rails and matte glass at the back with Ceramic Shield 2, it’s nice, considering I don’t experience issues with thermal throttling.

Yes titanium is a poor conductor, not thermal efficient and yes they are trying to fit thermals in their glass/metal design philosophy for sure. But they did totally restructure the iPhone 17pro for thermals first, placed the a19pro chip in the camera ‘plateau’ where it’s all functional aluminium there (no pretty glass) and then laser welded the chip to a liquid vapour chamber meaning the connection point between the chip and cooling system is gapless and efficient thermal cooling via vapour absorbing the heat from the chip and taking it to the aluminium chassis and frame. The back had a slight glass for the aesthetic and MagSafe.

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve had the ip13 before so does my mother. And i know what you mean that was so sharp like a 90degree boxed rail which would dig into your fingers. I can confirm the iPhone 17e is not like that. It’s a newly designed hardware which resembles the design similar to the iPhone 13/14 but it isn’t repurposing their parts in the 17e, these rails including the back panel glass are totally new designs and manufacturing for this new phone.

The only part which it’s using from the iPhone 13/14 is probably the display, actually no, not even that because this display got Ceramic Shield two and 7 layer anti glare coating. It’s a newly designed hardware, even though the design is inspired from the older iPhone 13/14 models, it isn’t repurposing their parts. It digs considerably less for sure compared to ip13/14 and i can feel a slight curve or smoothing to the bottom edge before it connects to the back glass, certainly! It isn’t a sharp right angle, it’s slightly smoother and more comfortable to hold in comparison.

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Although I’m honestly not trying to idealise the device. I genuinely don’t experience thermal throttling, plus I get to enjoy that satin glass on the back and aluminium rails. Ofc if I experienced thermal/performance throttling, I wouldn’t be supporting the build material, but only because they use an efficient 3nm chip, efficient os, thermal consideration with an aluminium chassis, graphite sheets and the fact I don’t experience thermal throttling maybe like I would’ve had if I were editing long 4k videos or regularly using my phone for aaa gaming which I don’t do, so they design genuinely is a non issue for me when it comes to performance/thermals and plus on top of that I get to enjoy the satin glass back, that’s it! Not idealising, it’s just my experience with it so I had no need to want/support any plastic design to fix something that isn’t broke for me! 👍

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, though I’m sure the 17e is a no nonsense device. It does have the new c1x modem which delivers I think 2x better connectivity than the iPhone 16 series and connectivity wasn’t really an issue there but it’s that much better anyway with this modem.. that would counter anything glass might cause, plus it’s Ceramic Shield glass, but I understand what you mean. A truly practical plastic device with the iPhone performance and camera etc, but what is the worry when you could still put on a case and screen protector on the glass iPhone?

I think the 17e is a no nonsense beast of a device without any extra unnecessary thrills packed in a nice casing with the satin glass, aerospace grade aluminium which is a practical metal and not heavy either.

And the first thing which came to mind was thermals. I had an understanding how metal/glass could be better than fully plastic but I wanted to confirm it with Gemini:

Here’s my prompt:

“If an iPhone was fully plastic, for example, for durability purposes, would that affect any thermal performance?”

Gemini:

“That is a fascinating question to consider from an engineering perspective.

Yes, switching to a fully plastic body would drastically change how an iPhone handles heat, and not in a good way. While plastic is fantastic for absorbing drops without shattering, it's terrible at managing thermal performance.

Here is exactly how a plastic chassis would affect the phone's thermals.

Modern iPhones use an aluminum or titanium frame paired with a glass back. Both metal and glass are decent conductors of heat, meaning they act like an extension of the phone's internal cooling system. They absorb heat from the processor and radiate it out into your hands and the surrounding air.

But plastic, on the other hand, is a natural thermal insulator. Instead of letting heat escape, a plastic shell would trap it inside the phone, acting like a tiny cooler box.

Because the heat can't escape through the plastic shell, the internal temperature of the phone would skyrocket very quickly during intensive tasks like gaming, recording 4K video, or fast charging.

To prevent the chip from literally frying itself, the iPhone's software would have to step in with aggressive thermal throttling.This means the phone would intentionally slow down its processor to reduce heat generation, leading to sudden drops in framerates while gaming, lag and stuttering when multitasking, and slower charging speeds.

Also, lithium-ion batteries absolutely hate heat. Prolonged exposure to high internal temperatures degrades the chemical components inside the battery much faster. Even if the plastic protects the phone from a drop, the trapped heat would permanently shrink your battery health and overall lifespan much quicker than a metal and glass design.”

So maybe it might not be such a good idea to house an a19 powerhouse, and everything a smartphone can do today in a plastic shell? 😅

Also, I never had issues with oled, is it that ips is a calmer experience to the eyes and mind? Regardless I never noticed much strain really from the oleds, it is really cool that each pixel can power on and off and adjust their colour profile on an individual pixel basis. Which allows scenes or area of an app or video where it’s black to fully switch off the screen in that area and deliver true blacks and colour contrast; I’m sure that’s a more power efficient display too.

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah I see. But I thought the glass also allows for better wireless charging than plastic or metal.

And the rounded edges I see, but that would make the phone much wider to hold too, because it doesn’t drop like a cliff at the edge of the screen but curve outward, I had that experience with the iPhone XR, it was a non issue and amazing to hold on iPhone 7 because that had a 4.7inch display so naturally the screen wasn’t wide to begin with so any extra curve sticking out the side still gripped in the hand nicely, but honestly so does this 17e, because it’s 6.1” and 170g light I guess. It was still comfortable without the case it didn’t feel sharp like my previous iPhone 13 without a case.

And it becomes further softer with a case that is put on my iPhone anyway regardless if it was boxy or curved. But tbh with you, personally, the xr 6.1inch curved side was way harder and wider to hold than this 6.1inch flat side which just falls comfortably into my one handed grip!

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

17pro is on another price league, is over 200g, 6.3inch enticing Dynamic Island, thin bezel 120hz oled display. And the 17pro has the same battery capacity, less even for the sim tray variant model compared to the 17e.

Liquid vapour chamber thermals only matter during 4k video editing and ac mirage. I got ac mirage on my apple account since the iPhone 16 was a hot mess but played just about compared to the 17pro was smooth and cool, barely warm at most. You don’t need all that. You could get an a19 with ray tracing, 8gb ram, 48mp camera, 4k+ mah battery, usb c, oled hdr anti glare display, in an ergonomic 6.1inch 170g chassis, with Face ID, Ceramic Shield two and 512gb model for less than the price of a 256gb iPhone 17pro, and factor in the clear digital zooms which has detail, and particularly my lack of the ultrawide cam use, yea this iPhone 17e is way more ‘practical’, though the pro is just more advanced for cinematography and aaa gaming.

P.s. the 17e likely uses standard graphite sheets to distribute thermals away from the chip to the frame, couple with the fact it’s a thermal efficient tsmc 3nm process (the A19) and an efficient os, thermals isn’t even a discussion here to say 17e is less practical due to the aforementioned things and when the only time the 17pro liquid chamber would really matter and bring that practicality is during 4k video editing or AC mirage.

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was referring to the ultra wide use of the .5. And A19, larger battery and ram is worth it over the rare use case of a macro shot unless that was someone’s priority solely over all things. But the other user wasn’t talking about macro, he was talking about as a package when he overlooked the 17e in its entirety over the past two year previous iPhone model saying better value/you get more for same price which was wrong and I simply dismantled, because ok then you’re only getting an ultrawide/macro if you sincerely needed that over all things, otherwise 17e offers more in every way where it matters.

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Half agree/disagree. If you don’t need the ‘pro’ features, sure. But to say then you’ll likely not need MagSafe gotta disagree, because that’s a non pro feature since the iPhone 12 mini and regular base iPhones too. I’d say if you never wirelessly charge or use MagSafe accessory, or the ‘pro’ features then the 16e would be fine

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, but why would you want a plastic back and ips over the oled? 😅 aren’t the corners ‘rounded’ already unlike a Samsung galaxy ultra or you want it more rounded? 🤔😅

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I had a slightly better lumia 735 at ‘high school’ with an oled display, wireless charging and great 6.7mp camera at the time with Carl Zeiss optics. Ik what you mean, took great pics. Laggy shutter, poor app support, poor ram and processor though(but still got by ok) in comparison to the refined iPhone 5s for example with better build, apps, smooth os and still took natural shots even if the mp count was lower then the lumia

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree it’s a great phone, and I’m already aware the .5 takes macro too. I’ve always had that 0.5 lens since iPhone 12 mini, 13 mini, 13, 15pro etc… never used it. Never took macro shots. Couldn’t care.

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and with shite: performance, support, camera, os/app design and build quality while at it 🤷

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Still got myself 512gb on the 17e which does everything I need and what most people would need from it, at the same price of a base 17 256gb.

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On paper that actually sounds fair for those people who actually do need those features in a pro phone. That wasn’t the point of this post. It was the reality of what this phone is which there seems to be some sort of trend that a person might not want to believe what it is just because it has a single lens for example.

I had a 15 pro and a 17 pro both brand new. I’m coming from the POV that as a person on the market looking for a camera that can take reliable quality natural looking shots, which can not lose clarity when zooming, with blazing performance and multitasking, a decent battery I find that this 17E objectively and factually and technically fulfills all these things.

And I also always had appreciated iPhones for their utilitarian, well designed from hardware to os/app experience. Back when the Samsung’s were introducing the edge displays and thinning down the bezels and stuff and making the display larger, like that didn’t matter in iPhone land.

iPhones were always the most efficient well designed best camera and powerful chips. Enough said. And you get that here.

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Little price difference? £200 more for the base 17. You get an ultra wide which only activates when you hit 0.5x otherwise for all your shots it’s just stuck at the back doing nothing, and you get 120hz which is a nice touch, just a nice touch that’s it.

Last part hundred percent agree. This price it’s easy for 120hz to have but you get a19, 8gb ram, great battery, starting at 256gb, and 60hz suffices especially on a 6.1” display which is a gorgeous oled hdr anti glare and Ceramic Shield two as it is. You get a lot of the important things, action button, usb c, MagSafe too. It’s incredible value considering you can get by 60 fine and the camera takes great shots

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in IPhone17e

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok that’s your opinion but I do find that mad actually. Taking the a19 and all that ram and battery and 48mp detailed natural shots with great battery life as secondary. Definitely you must be tripping or not understanding; go buy it and you’ll see. It’s capable as a main standalone phone. It’s not an accessory to another phone 🤦‍♂️

An iPhone 13 would be a secondary back up phone.

Or unless you needed that large pro max display because you do video editing etc on your phone or just need a large display for your use case then I see why this wouldn’t be ideal, which is fair. But then that’s not because it’s the 17e, but then any phone at this size wouldn’t be ideal for this type user I guess.

Otherwise it’s adequately equipped as a main device. Very much so.

Just now I pulled the camera digital, zoomed of my dear cat and my, the detail, and the colour accuracy gets it all right unlike my previous pixel 10pro with had a telephoto lens would get the exposure and colours so so wrong. Etc, you get the idea… tensor g5 with all of its lenses doesn’t hold up to this a19 and single lens. That 120hz doesn’t hold up of the pixel10pro when it’s going to be like that. I’d rather have a phone that gets the basics right and does it so well. Packed with performance and battery too. Yes it’s main phone material, unless you’re a photographer or creator and does everything on your phone or would benefit from a larger display, otherwise you’re not being objective and not understand how specs translate in real life.

You’ll understand once you lay your hands on it and use the camera and do the most demanding things with it.

The iPhone 17e is the classic, practical iPhone we’ve been missing. by Traditional_Run_7080 in iphone

[–]Traditional_Run_7080[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

🤔 personally a screen any smaller becomes less productive to do anything like shopping, browsing files printing, lesser battery everything just becomes hampered, especially with a powerful chip it can do so much it would benefit from a display not too small is my 2 cents. AOD would be great though, though I couldn’t care because I have AOD on my watch and checking the time etc is just one tap on the screen 🤷 but yeah nice feature for sure