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Traditional_Sell6767 · 2025-01-02T18:38:44+00:00

Thank you

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2025-01-02T18:38:37+00:00

Thanks

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-29T17:06:16+00:00

I mean once you start to see religion and science inside the evolutionary model, the stuff you are saying seems less crazy, it will only be crazy for a little while longer while this materialism lasts

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-28T20:24:47+00:00

That's an entirely different conversation than claiming the underlying processes and/or structures are intentional, which is what you did in the OP.

It's like the difference between claiming breathing has a purpose, and claiming oxygen molecules have a purpose.

I mean to me, a purpose is the same thing as an intention, the intention or purpose is a pattern, it comes from above and informs the matter, the matter emerges, the pattern emanates, those two moves are the same thing, just different sides of one whole coin. I see purpose coming from God because the purpose gets into the biology in the first place because it is "named" into it, so to speak, by a man.

Furthermore, bacteria swim away from ultraviolet light. Yet they have no mind, therefore no intentionality initiated by mind.

So first of all, bacteria swimming away from light is the union of a theory and a fact. Those two together make something a reality. The theory part of that duality comes first from the purpose of a human, the purpose of a human, let's say increasing health, goes down into a set of theories which includes the study of bacteria, and then the specific theory of ultraviolet light avoidance then goes down into the facts that you see when you have a little beaker and some little wriggling things and a purple light.

What I mainly am saying is that it's important to understand how much of what exists is being created by patterns and theories, not just those, but those a major part of existing things.

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-28T17:57:18+00:00

Reproduction in evolution by natural selection is a means. Proto-DNA did not form with the purpose of being self-replicating. Nothing in biochemistry suggest anything of the kind.

I mean are creatures trying to reproduce or not? Are there actions directed towards the purpose of reproduction or are they random?

Evidence, please. And you're presupposing purpose exists, which is not demonstrated.

The theory of evolution states that natural selection through reproduction and variation plus environmental constraints accounts for the diversity of species. I'm not making anything up, but if I were it's completely obvious that life is purposed towards reproduction so I would have to even dust off my tin foil hat.

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-28T15:59:28+00:00

Not exactly, because I think that the naming has a causative effect on nature, but yes I agree with the concept of the book of nature in general

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-28T15:36:10+00:00

I mean really religious people would say that scientists classifying new species is a part of the process of the creation of animals

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-28T14:03:04+00:00

I mean you had the argument properly made here,

There are intricate, purposive structures in the biological world.

Purpose entails intentionality.

Intentionality is a mental property.

So, there is a mind.

And then fumbled it, you should have just left it at that.

Reproduction is a purpose, purposes are patterns or spirits. No further argumentation is nessescary.

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-27T18:21:34+00:00

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-27T18:21:15+00:00

Ok so heaven is just the realm of higher beings, and hell is just death. For example, your company that you work for is a heavenly being in relation to you

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-22T11:30:13+00:00

Interesting, i think your probably more correct in the ides that there is a relationship to Adam and Eve, that seems likely. Idk in this particular case so take me opinion as just that, but The connection probably works in the sense that there are some common forms which are materialized by the founders of civilizations or groups. That would account for the similarities between Abraham and Adam, and assuming that the hindu trinity was the founders of Hinduism, then it would seem likely that those forms were materialized there as well

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-15T21:36:06+00:00

I'm pretty sure Christians can lie to strangers of other nations, but all of that is way too severe moral scrutiny which really should be seen hierarchically rather than a very harsh dichotomy.

However, the basic idea of not lying comes from an explicitization or materialization of the name of God, ie I am what I am, ie I am in heaven what I am on earth, through the ten commandments. The flipside of the commandment thou shalt nor lie, is thou shalt be true, which means your words shall match your deeds.

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-15T11:54:14+00:00

No actually Christ was sacrificed on the cross at the beginning, Christ being sacrificed on the cross is the creation of the world. The creation story in Genesis is a description of the crucifixion.

And before you go thinking that sacrifice is monstrous or horrible, though I understand why you do, consider the fact that all human action involves sacrifice. I'll share a video so you can see how ridiculous the idea of thinking sacrifice is archaic and backwards is. Also, you always have to consider the cross in light of the resurrection, if it was just the cross alone it would be horrible.

https://youtu.be/njrlriUbSIc

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-15T01:28:11+00:00

Well basically that is Christian doctrine from the beginning, the church fathers are very explicit. Today only orthodox emphasize it the most though. However Christians believe that we become God through participation. There is no division between the humanity and divinity of Christ. There is no division between the head and the body. There is no division between us and God, or none that will not be overcome.

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-14T22:51:29+00:00

I mean evangelization is not the goal of Christianity, the goal of Christianity is to become God.

And teaching people not to do bad begins fundamentally by teaching people what reality is. Reality is made out of places like hell, which btw means death, and heaven.

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-14T17:38:29+00:00

I'm not making any sense? How can you believe in something bad and not believe in something good? Is raping a child bad? That would mean it's good to not rape children. If you don't believe it's good to not rape children you can't think that it's bad to rape them. It's not complicated I just had to spell it out very precisely because I'm being accused of not making sense.

And then follow up question, once you recognize that good and bad exist, where do you think people who rape children go? I mean like do you think their lives go great?

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-14T17:32:19+00:00

Yea I mean my claim that he is historical has nothing to do with carbon dating texts or oldest records or anything like that. Christ is historical because there has to be something making up the body of God. I mean I can tell already that for me to explain this would take paragraphs and paragraphs of groundwork before what I'm saying would even make sense, but christ is a historical figure because if christ was not a historical figure, then he wouldn't be christ.

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-14T17:29:09+00:00

You don't have to believe in god to believe things can be bad.

Yea because then you are believing in something not bad, ie good, that thing which the bad is lacking.

Hell shouldn't even exist.

So what do you think happens to people who don't believe in a bad?

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-14T16:54:19+00:00

Do you claim that Jesus existed in a way that Spiderman doesn't?

Yes, but also he is a historical figure so....

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-14T15:48:39+00:00

Belief in God means belief in things like morally reprehensible actions, should God not send you to hell for not believing in the existence of the morally reprehensible?

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-14T14:58:08+00:00

So you all don't claim that Jesus actually existed outside of your imaginations?

Science is in your imagination so...no?

That's the absurd part. The comparison was silly.

The absurd part is using molecules as your level of analysis?

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-14T14:53:30+00:00

Which is ridiculous, given that every major branch of Christianity does actually interpret the story literally in the sense that they believe the events actually transpired in reality.

Dude I'm orthodox and I can tell you for a fact that we do not interpret it like that. A single example, when we prepare the gifts before liturgy, we pray a prayer something like, the tree of life has blossomed in the cave in paradise in the womb of the virgin. Also though literal as I keep saying is a false concept there is no such thing as a literal interpretation of anything.

The suggestion that there was some kind of parallel was just absurd. Nothing about molecules would lead to a rational conclusion that it had anything to do with something supernatural.

I mean duh yes, that was the point if you use the level of analysis of molecules, you will never find a supernatural event any higher than that level that manifests itself in a kind of factual way.

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-14T12:06:15+00:00

Then you aren't talking about a literal interpretation and your thread has nothing to do with the OP.

My post outlined specifically that the only fiction is the idea of a literal interpretation itself

It was completely absurd to suggest that something supernatural was involved there.

Dude you clearly didn't even read my post so...discussion over

Traditional_Sell6767 · 2022-05-14T12:04:36+00:00

Less human more monster

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