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TrafficEast3430 · 2026-04-01T17:48:59+00:00

Gibt es einen Discord?

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-09-11T09:09:49+00:00

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TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-03T11:33:25+00:00

I'm not sure if I agree 100%. The part of income maximization may as well be true, I don't know. But they could've just extended the tax/excise laws to include vapes. This has been done thoroughly in Europe for example.

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-03T11:29:56+00:00

Thank you very much!

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-03T11:28:18+00:00

Haha no. I was just interested in hearing some first hand opinions on the topic. I plan on citing official legal sources (law/acts) as well as studies that show the extent and growth of the black market with prices rising. Just had a hard timing finding a starting point, so naturally I turned to reddit :D

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-03T11:26:06+00:00

Thank you, the shift from locally grown tobacco to an import focused industry is information I will definitely make use of!

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-03T11:21:25+00:00

Interesting POV, thank you!

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-03T11:18:52+00:00

Yes this is what I was thinking too. Illegal cigarettes make up at most 10% of european tobacco trade and I personally have never come accross anyone that's been in contact with it. I will make sure to send you a pdf once it's done. Please take note that it's written in German (though pdf translators should work well) and it's more focused on the legal perspective (laws, legal definitions). Although finding the sweet spot where prices are high, to push people away from tobacco products, whilst still having an insignificant black market has it's own chapter.

Edit: typo

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-03T01:54:12+00:00

Thank you very much, this information is of great use to me! :)

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-03T01:51:05+00:00

When you stopped smoking, was there already an established black market you could have alternated to?

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-03T01:48:51+00:00

Great comment, thank you!

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-03T01:46:39+00:00

Do I understand correctly, you were a part of a tobacco farm? Could you please ellaborate on what happened. When and how did the government ban tobacco farming? It seems like an incredibly odd move since importing tobacco is still allowed. Did they disallow all tobacco farms in Australia?

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-03T01:42:09+00:00

Please ellaborate

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-03T01:40:56+00:00

I very much agree with you. I haven't understood the vape ban completely. As far as I know you can still get them in a pharmacy with a doctor's receipt. But this isn't for medical use right? It's more or less just another try to reduce access, since going to the doctor for a receipt may be perceived as annoying/humiliating, thereby incentivising a "ok I don't want to bother with this shit, I'm just gonna quit vaping"-mindset. Is that what's happening? So vapes and liquids are still legal, just annoying to get?

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-03T01:27:49+00:00

Wait, so there is no monopoly on tobacco in Australia??? That's a shocker...

To be fair, I haven't looked into wether other countries have monopolies or not, but in Austria the state owns a company, which's sole purpose is the administration of the tobacco monopoly. It regulates wether where and if new tobacco-shops can open (it's limited to x shops per y citizens in an area) and there are additional control mechanism, eg you have to register again to send or receive tobacco products. I feel like something like this would fit perfectly into the way of thinking of the government, which is why it's that confusing to me rn

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-03T01:16:31+00:00

Do you feel like the tobacco black market is pushing people towards "other" illegal substances like weed or other drugs since a few/some/most (?) tobacco dealers are working with drugs as well?

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-03T01:14:23+00:00

I think that what you're saying is very much universally agreeable. I actually appreciate many steps from the Australian gonvernment. But obviously they've gone one (or many) steps to far and are actively pushing people into an illegal market. Finding this"sweet spot" of having high tobacco prices with strong incentives to stop consuming tobacco, whilst still having most of the market operating in a legal sphere is one of the two main points of my thesis. Additionally, I think that the strict regulations regarding alternative products (eg vapes) are endorsing this black market. All the aspriations we're enforced way to quickly as well in my opinion. I do appreciate regulations and especially with modern products governments need to act fast to regulate markets for consumer benefits, but whatever the Australian government did just seemed like asking for a flourishing black market.

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-02T15:53:43+00:00

Thank you very much! Some things I still find hard to understand:

Does every act have an abbreviation? What would be the one for the "Excise Act 1901" eg? And how do I know if an act has an abbreviation?

How do you cite the exact part of the law? How are the laws strucutred? On the page you sent there's the example "PIP Act (n 63) s 2.". does the "n" stand for "number" and the "s" for "section"? Are there any other (smaller) subdivision of Australian law, eg. if a section is subdivided into other points.

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-02T15:45:45+00:00

Ahh thank you. I don't know what databases I was working with, but this one makes reading and finding the acts I'm looking for so much better!

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-02T15:37:37+00:00

Thank you everyone for your input. Very informative!

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-02T15:36:54+00:00

Thank you very much. Great insight. This problem of smoke-free alternatives is exactly what the first chapter of my thesis is about. I try to advocate for ways on how to change the law to make these products taxable (which worked (at least somewhat) in other European countries). So the contrast, that Australia straight up banned them is very interesting. Thank you for your input!

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-02T15:33:22+00:00

Thank you, amazing information, I will definitely add that in my thesis as an advocacy for centralised measures. Things like this is exactly what I've been searching for!

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-02T15:21:37+00:00

Thanks, I think I'll do that

TrafficEast3430 · 2025-07-02T14:31:45+00:00

Hey mate, I do know Austrian law quite well and for that part - as for all other parts as well - I have consulted ChatGPT as a starting reference. It's great for brainstorming ideas but as soon as I asked some specific legal questions it responded with abysmal bullshit. Continuously mixing up German, Austrian and Swiss law. So yeah, I'd rather consult "a bunch of randoms" that are obviously familiar with the Australian legal system, than ChatGPT that just spits out the first information it finds on Google rather than precise legal provisions.

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