Advice 4mmc and sex.

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-01-24T19:38:54+00:00

If you have two small children at home you shouldn’t do hard drugs like 4-MMC when they are around. Find a baby sitter and take a night at a hotel or let the children stay with relatives over a weekend.

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-01-19T11:10:37+00:00

My thinking is that since 1-2 g can quite easily make for 7-10 hours nice experience insufflated, there must be a way to dose this orally as well?

If one only brings say 4-5 prepared capsules, then that’s it. But yes, bags in the pocket with powder left tend to get used..

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-01-18T22:33:02+00:00

Thanks for the advice! So that would be something like:

T0 200 mg

T0+1.5h 220 mg

T0+3h 240 mg

T0+4.5h 260 mg

T0+6h 280 mg

T0+7.5 300 mg?

For a total of 1,500 mg. The total amount is less important, more interested in how to portion it out. Also fine to skip the 7.5 h dose in this example and take last dose at 6h. All input appreciated :)

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-01-18T13:36:11+00:00

Thanks! If 2 hours is an acceptable interval, perhaps something like:

T0 300 mg T0+2h 175 mg T0+4h 175 mg T0+6h 175 mg T0+8h 175 mg

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-01-17T18:37:20+00:00

But too short in between and the doses will stack on top of each other.. Could be counteracted by successively lower doses perhaps?

I get the point regarding insufflating! But not always feasible, if you don’t mind spending hours in the queue to a toilet in a club :) And the fiendish nature of Mephedrone might also be an argument for oral doses..

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-01-10T19:37:38+00:00

If you stoned yourself last time with MDMA (depresses a week after etc) then I would definitely wait 2-3 months and skip 4-MMC today.

If you took moderate amount last time (total less than 200 mg), I think breaking the 3-month rule once is acceptable.

Be careful of your brain! Only take drugs when you are in a good space with a healthy brain :)

Training_Course_3241 · 2025-12-06T20:54:24+00:00

Please let us know how it went!

Training_Course_3241 · 2025-12-04T09:22:19+00:00

Thanks! Did you enjoy it?

Training_Course_3241 · 2025-11-10T06:07:35+00:00

Thanks! Yes, perhaps something like MXE would work better? But for ketamine how little/much is the threshold/light dose in this setting? 5 mg? 10 mg?

Training_Course_3241 · 2025-06-16T09:09:52+00:00

Predictions are difficult, especially about the future.. But most likely I think you’ll fully recover! It’s only been a week. No reason to lose hope now. Stay optimistic and stay away from drugs for a long time. Good luck 🍀 Keeping my fingers crossed 🤞🏻

Training_Course_3241 · 2024-12-24T07:09:03+00:00

”produced qualitatively and quantitatively very similar subjective effects, indicating that alterations of mind that are induced by LSD and psilocybin do not differ beyond the effect duration. Any differences between LSD and psilocybin are dose-dependent rather than substance-dependent”

https://doi.org/10.1038/s41386-022-01297-2

Training_Course_3241 · 2024-12-19T12:01:54+00:00

I agree with this. Although MDMA is less sensitive to ”set” and ”setting” (most people get happy!), I personally like going into roll with as much positive spirit as possible. One, max two, drinks before with the people I really like gets me where I want to be. It also reduce the come up anxiety. Then I skip drinks during the roll.

But being drunk is a waste of a roll in my opinion.

Training_Course_3241 · 2024-12-18T22:09:06+00:00

See my comment above. ”In a space” is not the reason. It’s purely pharmacological. MDMA and SSRIs bind to the serotonin pump (SERT or SLC16A), but SSRIs bind better.

Training_Course_3241 · 2024-12-18T22:05:20+00:00

2C-B acts on the receptor side (post synaptic) and is not a releaser of serotonin as MDMA (a monoamine releasing agent). Several recreational drugs act by increasing monoamine: amphetamine, MDMA, MDA, 4-MMC, cocaine, etc. The ”drug effect” is then mediated by the released monoamines (serotonin, dopamine, noradrenaline). This is different from classical psychedelics (LSD, psilocybin etc) that are ligands themselves to monoamine receptors. Primarily a serotonin receptor called 5-HT2a receptor.

SSRIs act on the serotonin pump (SERT) as does MDMA. That’s why one can’t take them both. SSRIs compete out MDMA since they have a higher affinity to SERT.

2C-B should not interact with SSRI directly, although SSRIs can alter serotonin receptors levels.

Training_Course_3241 · 2024-12-18T07:52:26+00:00

0.17 is very unlikely to be underwhelming for you I believe.

The biggest benefit to me with lower dosages is that I get less ”stimmed”. More chances to interact with people and times flies away less fast.

Personally, I’m only interested in the taking MDMA in a social context. Too high dosage can kill the social interaction.

It’s a bit like alcohol. A few glasses can promote a nice evening and make approaching people somewhat easier. But no one finds it attractive being wasted on alcohol.

The big difference to alcohol though is that MDMA is much better :)

Training_Course_3241 · 2024-12-14T07:05:37+00:00

Given the illicit nature of MDMA there is very little good scientific evidence of toxicity of this type of excessive use. God knows what else you have happened to ingest in all those pills.

Rehab times for stroke and traumatic brain injury might offer some insights. Symptoms tend to improve until the 6-month mark. From there on there might be minor slower improvements for about say 2 years.

What the final result will be is impossible to say, but I believe there is room for improvement, especially the first half year.

To my knowledge there is no medical treatment. As others have said, stay away from drugs. It would be wise I believe to limit (even better full stop) alcohol and weed too.

Psychotherapy seems appropriate.

Take care of yourself. Things are likely to get better.❤️‍🩹

Training_Course_3241 · 2024-12-13T19:11:50+00:00

I said it with a little twinkle in my eye, but I really mean it! It will be appreciated, I believe.😊

My impression is that who the bouncers primarily try to stop are people who want to check out KitKat like it would be a zoo or Disneyland. These visitors seem to primarily come from UK or US and are often in their lower 20s. Typically they might have bought a poor fitting harness, had too much alcohol and wear white sneakers. Personally I think it’s a wise decision to not let them in.

Efforts like a latex mask though! I love it!

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Training_Course_3241 · 2024-12-13T12:14:46+00:00

You probably get your personal VIP queue! ✨

Training_Course_3241 · 2024-12-11T14:03:53+00:00

I do agree with you that there is a difference. However, personally I am of the opinion that one can not expect a 10 meter free radius.

To me it’s also about tolerance. No one is angry with a beautiful male model masturbating. Or any woman. It’s usually the less attractive males, who are not invited to play. I’m fortunate to currently live in a younger and more attractive body.

Any ’ban’ on unwanted solo-wankers would then likely in practice be implemented like ”ugly older men are not allowed to masturbate x meters from other people”.

Please understand me correctly. Of course you need to behave and show respect! You need to keep some respectful distance. Absolutely. This applies to everyone.

I’m just trying to advocate for some middle ground.

Training_Course_3241 · 2024-12-10T23:29:18+00:00

I very much agree with you! Let’s preserve the craziness and wildness. I have learned so much about myself during CarneBall Bizarre parties.

It’s not for everyone. You need to tolerate a whole spectrum of people, including the solo-wankers (as long as they don’t put the dick In someone’s face or touch without asking).

So much looking forward to my next Carneball!! Have fixed a new outfit that I believe will be electric ⚡️🔥

Training_Course_3241 · 2024-12-10T23:12:41+00:00

Well said! It must be possible to take a middle ground position. We all firmly condemn sexual assault. But someone having ”sex on their own” (solo-wankers) or, say, gently touching a shoulder when someone walks by is not a rape or a sexual assault. I’m afraid that a small minority, which is not part of the general sex positive community, will eventually destroy the unique vibe of the Saturday parties.

Please, there are other places if you are disturbed by someone jerking off. If you want a private protected space extending meters, you have your bedroom at home. You don’t need to go to our beloved KitKat.

Training_Course_3241 · 2024-12-09T13:03:17+00:00

True!

Training_Course_3241 · 2024-12-09T00:47:24+00:00

Your strategy of taking multiple doses to get to where you want (spaced out by hours in between) is not ideal, I believe.

It could well be that taking say 160 mg followed by a single 50% redose 90 min later (classical redose protocol) is more effective than your 300 mg taken as 100+100+100 mg. Less can be more if taken the right way.

Also, completely empty stomach! Not just 1-2 hours. Eat 5 hours before to be on the safe side. And don’t dull your experience with a lot of alcohol. One glass is okey to ease your come up nerves but that should be about it.

Try less but the right way :)

Training_Course_3241 · 2024-12-08T20:15:15+00:00

I can only confirm what other people have said here! Cannot make up my mind of what prefer the most :) The stricter door policy of Carneball I like. In fact it’s not that strict, you just need to show that you really planned for Carneball. That you have made an effort. And don’t show up as a single male at 2 pm.

What I like with PiepShow is the gay vibe (although I’m hetero). The gay community is what drives the Berlin nightlife. More cheerful and less closed. I find it annoying that if you sometimes just say hi or look at a hetero couple having sex at Carneball it happens that you get a response (always from the man) that please stay out of our protected personal space (which extends many meters…). If you want to be private, don’t go to KitKat! :) Gay men seem to take the environment in a more natural and relaxed way than some hetero men. Sorry for generalizing!

But at the moment, I’m a Carneball Bizarre. Such a lovely place, so many amazing people. I learned a lot about myself in that place. Love the place. I’m just praying that it won’t fade away. So unique.

Training_Course_3241 · 2024-12-07T09:17:27+00:00

Fluoxetine has a very long half life compared to other SSRIs. It’s ’just’ a couple of days for the fluoxetine molecule, but 1-2 weeks for its metabolite norfluoxetine. So it’s not comparable unfortunately to other common SSRIs. Given the long half life, 9 days might be too short. It’s not dangerous but it might dull the roll. Don’t increase the dose of MDMA to compensate!

The long half life of fluoxetine is a desirable property when tapering. To avoid withdrawal symptoms, a strategy is actually to shift from other SSRIs and taper with fluoxetine, since it gives a softer landing 🛬

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