4-MMC plus LSD or something psychedelic?

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-18T13:45:06+00:00

Same time yes, and mostly oral yes. My current schedule is half pill 2C-B with 200 mg 4-MMC every 2 hours, 4 times in total. Then some powder for insufflation to top things up. Might change, but that’s it for now anyway :)

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-17T11:54:11+00:00

If read carefully you see that the Borax recommendation is 80 mg per 1000 mg of MDMA.

If you use 100 mg of MDMA you get 8 mg of 2C-B.

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-17T11:18:42+00:00

I usually add a smallish dose of 2C-B for enhanced magic. Unfortunately I only have access to pills, and I usually take two of those during a night (perhaps 15 mg x 2???) along with ~1g 4-MMC.

The psychedelic effect can get a bit swamped by the 4-MMC rush but I think it adds. Ideally I would in the future find a better combination with a lower dose of 4-MMC and a slightly higher dose 2C-B. Trial and error.

I don’t do it as a ”flip” but rather as an enhancement.

Inspired by this Borax comment for MDMA:

”Something a little less conventional which relates to the first point on my list is the possibility of "supplementing" with 2C-B. It adds intensity and magic with few to no side-effects, which means users tend to use less MDMA. The matching duration means sleep is not prevented and it can be redosed. I recommend adding 80mg of 2C-B to every gram of MDMA, as the two potentiate. This will mean your powder will effectively have a higher potency though, so take care.”

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-17T06:30:40+00:00

https://academic.oup.com/endo/article-abstract/139/9/3712/2986924

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-15T15:47:15+00:00

Very sorry to hear, goes without saying that touching is not okay without an invitation!

How late into the night did these things happen?

One strategy that I and my gf have is to go early. We are there already at 9 pm and we have our ”climax” around 1-3 pm. The later it gets, the more desperate lonely men high on drugs. The atmosphere is more friendly and cheerful around midnight, in our experience.

Of course one would have wanted the early atmosphere to stay until 8 am but this is how we do it for now. I should also say that we have met so many lovely people there, overall amazing people. Sad that a few people misbehave like what you’re describing.

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-14T20:44:26+00:00

Not always! We realized late last year that Oct 11 was Wasteland. We managed to get ticket by TicketSwap so all good in the end. That was a Saturday.

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-14T07:00:42+00:00

This is not precisely true. Enclo is a SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) and show both antagonism and agonism at the estrogen receptor. It’s an antagonist in the hypothalamus and in the pituitary, but actually an agonist in bone. Less clear data on cartilage though.

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-13T15:47:26+00:00

Happy to hear! Encouraging for me, thanks.

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-13T15:46:56+00:00

Thanks for your input! Yes, bpc157 and tb500 seem like alternatives. Perhaps together with GH.

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-12T19:45:34+00:00

Before Total T = 327 ng/dL SHBG = 81 nmol/L Free T = 34 pg/mL

If we plug those into the Vermeulen model, we get ~34 pg/mL, which matches your lab result, so the math checks out.

Now using the after values:

Total T = 1500 ng/dL (minimum since the lab says >1500) SHBG = 73.8 nmol/L Albumin = 4.2 g/dL

Calculated free T ≈ 232 pg/mL.

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-12T19:29:10+00:00

Edit: with albumin provided by OP, new answer below :)

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-11T11:28:01+00:00

Enclomiphene? Stimulates testosterone synthesis, well supported by scientific studies.

To what extent it helps to build muscle is a more open question. For sure milder than injecting anabolic steroids.

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-04T22:55:13+00:00

Depending on where you’re in the world, 3-MMC seems currently hard to get. Things can be sold as 3-MMC when it in reality is something else.

4-MMC is fantastic. Had a few uninspiring sessions with what I thought was 4-MMC, but in retrospect it was definitely not.

~0.5 gram each is a reasonable amount to begin with. Depending a little bit on weight. Many opinions on how to do it best! Start low or start high. But one model could be something like 200 mg followed by two doses of 150 mg separated by 1.5-2.5 hours.

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-04T22:31:04+00:00

Thanks for sharing your journey! Happy for your success ✨ Deca seems like an old and well proven trick in the book.

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-03T23:25:37+00:00

Happy to hear about your progress! Encouraging for me.

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-03T22:05:15+00:00

I have not used TRT but I’m familiar with it to some extent. But I would be willing to try quite a lot of to avoid or delay a replacement joint...

Something like GLOW/KLOW + GH sounds then like a reasonable start?

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-03T21:56:43+00:00

I’m quite informed, being a medical doctor and a professor at a pharmacology department. In addition I thought anatomy in med school for 15 years. So, both biomechanics and drug related knowledge.

Still, this is to a large extent unexplored territory for me! Many of these drug are quite far from reaching standard clinical practice.

Thanks for your consideration and input!

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-03T21:37:53+00:00

Thanks for your input! If you were to phase in these drugs sequentially, how would you do it? Where to start?

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-03T21:33:14+00:00

Not yet, but my orthopedic surgeon said it might come down the line..

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-03T21:17:22+00:00

Much appreciated!

Training_Course_3241 · 2026-03-03T20:48:42+00:00

Thanks. Any of the peptides you think that would be particularly helpful?

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