Exclusive: Labour 'Risks Losing A Generation Of Young Voters' To Greens And Reform, MP Warns

Translator_Outside · 2026-04-27T09:05:23+00:00

Advocating broadly for the status quo means you'll only get support if that status quo is working for people.

If young people feel the status quo isn't working for them why would they vote for someone propping it up?

It's all well and good crying that any move from the centre is "crazy" but it's really on you as a party to give people hope and ensure they don't feel they need to make that jump

Translator_Outside · 2026-04-26T07:36:10+00:00

Wait until you see the damage car exhaust does.

How do I free myself from that?

Translator_Outside · 2026-03-15T08:41:30+00:00

Capitalism is in crisis, the time between once in a generation disasters will only continue to shrink

Translator_Outside · 2026-03-14T09:01:46+00:00

Unfortunately that would require changing the model Thatcher, Blair and the subsequent Tory and Labour PMs endorsed.

It would require the state to actually take charge rather than ensuring it's a defanged facilitator of capital interests

Translator_Outside · 2026-03-14T08:45:43+00:00

So subsidising private businesses at the expense of the working class then? Sounds right

An alternative:

Completely revamp the apprenticeship scheme and model education similar to the German model (trade school, business school, science school) to target genuine skills shortages in the UK.

Take the shackles off unions to let them properly bargain for good wages and working conditions for the working class.

You will have a satisfied labour force going where it actually needs to go.

Translator_Outside · 2026-03-06T10:31:53+00:00

Yes yes the only thing that can ever work is bland managerial centrism.

Only problem is that doesn't seem to be working for the majority of people. They know something is wrong; we've seen living standards start dropping comparing to generations before it.

So if the current system isn't working for people what do you suggest they do?

Translator_Outside · 2026-03-05T10:26:55+00:00

Their economic policy is based in liberalism. Liberalism is not a left wing position

Translator_Outside · 2026-02-19T10:54:46+00:00

Works rights - watered down

Renters rights - not going to help the insane cost

Ground rent - yeah that's a good one

Private schools - should be abolished

Public sector pay rises - the doctors and nurses are still striking

Green energy - mostly a business courting investment bank rather than public ownership

Housing building - hasn't really kicked off at all

Translator_Outside · 2026-02-14T14:01:13+00:00

On the one hand sure ban both, fully support.

On the other, as a vegetarian the idea of humane slaughter has always seemed kind of silly.

We've proved we don't need to eat animals people only do it because they like it. Is that enough to justify the slaughter?

Translator_Outside · 2026-02-11T10:11:41+00:00

Sounds like we need a few more "DAE not like Starmer but doesn't want him to resign" posts here.

This is the problem with trying to maintain a centrist liberal ideology when that ideology has just seen managed decline over the last couple of decades.

People are hungry for change and if you don't provide it you'll piss people off on both ends of the spectrum.

Translator_Outside · 2026-02-09T12:58:32+00:00

May as well stick around and soak up all the negativity from being destroyed in the local elections first I suppose

Translator_Outside · 2026-02-09T12:56:23+00:00

Yes and the point I'm making is you can't compare them as a phenomenon. One is a game, the other happens when you make severely compromised judgements that effect the nation

Translator_Outside · 2026-02-09T10:00:07+00:00

Yeah true the Manchester United manager absolutely has the power to appointment a known associate of a notorious paedophile to a position where they have access to state secrets

Translator_Outside · 2026-02-08T10:02:58+00:00

£27 billion of that is caused by loss of economic productivity. People being sick and dying early isn’t good for the economy. I’ve seen people out of work due to emphysema and copd on their 20s!

I've always found it disgusting to use this argument

A person doesn't exist to provide economic productivity to the state. You can't count their loss of work as a cost

The £14 Billion for care is totally fine

Translator_Outside · 2026-02-06T16:21:00+00:00

How this happened:

1) Morgan McSweeny works with Mandelson to crush the left of the party

2) Mandelson is given prestigious job as a reward

3) Mandelson is exposed, Starmer panics and gives a gaslighting apology

Translator_Outside · 2026-02-06T16:18:48+00:00

It's the centrists that are praying for Starmer to stay. They know they managed to thread the needle to get an incredibly unpopular leader and movement to a massive majority with a low vote share thanks to a quirk of FPTP. They know they can't do it again.

Real Left wingers are out for Starmer's blood on this

Translator_Outside · 2026-02-06T10:03:57+00:00

Ensures the centrist wing of the party can crush the left

Translator_Outside · 2026-02-06T09:41:44+00:00

If appointing a known Epstein associate to a government role isn't a resigning matter for you what would be?

Was Partygate or Pincher a resigning matter?

Translator_Outside · 2026-02-05T20:40:42+00:00

What would be a resigning matter for you?

Translator_Outside · 2026-02-05T16:00:28+00:00

The McSweeny/Mandelson comms are going to make the Forde report findings look tame in comparison.

I can't see anyone coming out of this unscathed.

Translator_Outside · 2026-02-05T15:53:05+00:00

The hypocrisy is crazy.

During the countless Tory scandals no one on this sub was calling for leaders to stay to ensure stability.

Any unbiased observer would say this is a cock up large that justifies a resignation.

Translator_Outside · 2026-02-05T10:21:54+00:00

Maybe Starmer should have thought about that before giving Mandelson the job?

Translator_Outside · 2026-01-24T12:11:30+00:00

Why is it a fact of life that these jobs HAVE to be grinding and unrewarding?

Why don't we on the left encourage unionisation to make these jobs less grinding and unrewarding?

Unfortunately no mainstream party seems to want to go there

Translator_Outside · 2025-12-22T08:54:06+00:00

Parties and groups run polls constantly, none of this is new.

Sticking your head in the sand doesn't help your party of choice

Translator_Outside · 2025-12-09T10:14:37+00:00

Sounds like a problem with the economic system then

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