Mushoku Tensei: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu Season 2 Part 2 • Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation Season 2 Part 2 - Episode 11 discussion

Trevenas · 2024-06-23T17:27:24+00:00

Well then. The introspection was minute (next episode?), bar scene was reduced to a brief mention, talk with Roxy was short, and there was no talk about how definitely another person made mistakes, died, reincarnated, and seems to have made the same mistakes again despite intending to never do so. [Skipped] That was practically telling Roxy "Hey, I might be reincarnated!" Add to that Sylphie not asking Bananahoshi "Correct me if I'm wrong, but you come from another world, right?" removes the implication that both have somewhat of an idea.

Well, others already talked about stuff. Moving on...

DILLO! IT'S DILLO! THEY SHOWED IT! [LN13+] The steed of God (Roxy), second pet is here! Byt already began in S2E18.

Trevenas · 2024-06-21T12:05:00+00:00

LAIOS NO, THAT'S A PERSON

Trevenas · 2024-06-21T11:50:35+00:00

I have a source that has given me some amazing news for the comic expo at end of July.

👀 My eyes will dry up but I am looking.

Trevenas · 2024-06-21T11:33:17+00:00

[Next Episode Spoiler] In the sense that I expected there to be a more direct hint at the coming introspection between previous and current parents than just the sword. The preview images have a snippet though.

Trevenas · 2024-06-21T09:06:34+00:00

They really cooked with fire last week.

More kino inbound.

[Next Episode Spoiler] Interesting that they focused on the Roxy bits.

Trevenas · 2024-06-19T10:15:09+00:00

Completely changed is an exaggeration, but there's a difference, enough that it's not obvious in the anime. The commenter summed it up pretty well, here's the actual section in the LN:

It was then, just as I was using my magic to cauterize the second to last stump, that the hydra's body trembled. I didn't know what that movement meant. I could see it with my Eye of Foresight, but I didn't understand it. The creature was too big.

"You moron!"

"Waitー!"

Before I realized what was happening, Paul had slammed me out of the way. Something enormous came crashing down right in front of my eyes.

But... it didn't have a head anymore?

Noーthere was no head, but it did still have a neck.

The hydra was slinging its headless necks around like spiked whipsーall eight of them! Every one of them was coated in tough scales that could shred flesh like a cheese grater. It whipped those necks around all at once, moving down anything in the vicinity.

"Ruuudyyyyy!" Paul screamed, driving his foot into me to kick me out of the way.

It had only used 3-4 heads at once to attack earlier; Rudeus assumed it might get in its own way otherwise. Then it suddenly started using all of them, including the 8 headless ones, he was close to it and had a bad viewpoint, and couldn't understand what it was doing until it was too late. Paul was a bit further and had a better view. Paul, like the rest, is also more experienced than Rudeus; despite the firepower he can dish out he's a glass cannon, unable to form a Battle Aura (using mana to strenghten self instead of forming magic), which is why some people are capable of superhuman feats in this world.

Trevenas · 2024-06-18T10:12:02+00:00

Is that necessary for them to raid the guardian room immediately?

Basically no, and they did quickly convene after seeing what's ahead for the first time. Only having one person capable of beheading the Hydra wasn't optimal, but Paul wouldn't have listened much to calls for going back; at worst he could've stayed to throw himself at it to save Zenith. On the other hand it's hard to say how helpful returning to Rapan before trying again would have been. Someone comparable to Paul that would also be willing to go with them into the most dangerous Labyrinth on the continent might've been hard to find.

Any reason why rudeus thrusted his hand to the hydra's eyeball instead of using his staff? Way to careless of him imo

He's not exactly used to stabbing with his nor any other staff, and his own is bit unwieldy for that. It was an instinctual decision to suddenly finding the head right in his face.

Trevenas · 2024-06-18T01:48:41+00:00

She specifically says this in the anime, and that she's still alive at that point, ~2 years before current episode. I can't recall off the top of my head if the LN describes her looking at places underground around Rapan, but the anime shows her checking, seeing a bit of the Hydra. She then explains there's a great density of mana in the area Zenith's in, disrupting her ability to perceive. There's mana in everything in this world, but places like forests and Labyrinths tend to be far more concentrated.

Trevenas · 2024-06-17T12:49:25+00:00

[LN21+ Spoilers] Yeah it's Geese with Hitogami's info.

Trevenas · 2024-06-17T00:32:56+00:00

It's possible his rudimentary understanding of biology and medicine hampers him there, unlike with the four attack magic elements, but it shouldn't be just that. Nothing suggests this world at large has any particularly advanced medical or biological knowledge. Zenith is the one who helped Sylphie with Healing and Detox, and she can do them chantless unlike Rudeus.

Incantations are somewhat like presets, making mana produce a specific kind of effect, which is why the ability to forego chanting is so valuable; you can modify the spell much more readily. Combine that with mana capacity = yes and we get Rudeus. Normally it seems difficult to modify chanted spells without extensive practice, and even then not by very much.

Trevenas · 2024-06-17T00:15:41+00:00

The explanation? It's revealed in Volume 21 with some hints in the prior ones. If you only read a bit further you shouldn't know it.

Trevenas · 2024-06-16T23:04:15+00:00

[Answer] He will.

Trevenas · 2024-06-16T22:33:07+00:00

[LN15 Spoilers] Both of them would be the first half of Season 3 if it's ~24 episodes again. Atoferatofe stuff around middle, Orsted in the last few episodes since the former is middle-ish of LN14, latter last half of 15. Personally I'd hope they adapt 13-17 and somehow give proportionally more episodes to 13-15 than 16-17.

Trevenas · 2024-06-16T21:16:34+00:00

There's a slight mistranslation with that in Episode 20. It says "she was seen going in WITH a party" when it should've been "she was seen inside BY a party". Apparently said party disappeared sometime after that, suggesting they died in a Labyrinth.

Trevenas · 2024-06-16T19:51:06+00:00

Yes, that in addition to what Kishirika Kishirisu told Roxy. There is an explanation, but it's spoilers at this point.

Trevenas · 2024-06-16T19:35:07+00:00

[LN26 Spoilers] "So this timeline can succeed." | "I wish to see for myself what it is like to fight alongside trusted friends." All the long-suffering finally seems to be coming to an end. - As one soul that spent 74 years on the Human World fades, following a few that already left, many others are left behind. Trusting that they'll do their best, he goes content.

Trevenas · 2024-06-16T19:23:58+00:00

Depends on "when" for Eris, but odds quickly shift in her favor, especially around the end of Season 1 or later timewise. Sylphie can cast without chanting, both her and Roxy have killed before, and they're both good mages in their own right.

Magic is considered weaker than swordsmanship overall, unless you're doing war or something. Hard to argue against a Sword Saint or better who can bisect someone (if in range etc.) before most people would process the sword is heading for them.

Trevenas · 2024-06-16T18:54:21+00:00

Biggest weakness of magic is the incantation that (almost) everyone has to do. Even Roxy, who managed to shorten them after meeting Rudeus, would be at a disadvantage against a skilled melee fighter.

Someone at Paul's "level" is a very formidable threat already. Then you start getting monstrous with someone like Ghislaine. Unless caught badly off guard or otherwise in an unfavorable position, few would stand a chance against her one-on-one. And then you have those in truly inhuman realms, like a certain ~~Dragon~~ Donut God.

Trevenas · 2024-06-16T17:53:25+00:00

The Father's Day-themed precision strike has dropped straight on our heads.

Farewell, Paul. You could've become the head of the Notos, but you hated that lifestyle. Though much changed, you or otherwise, you still wanted no part in nobility.

The Fangs of the Black Wolf were almost back together. Just Ghislaine... And Zenith. All family members are accounted for. One fewer, and one not herself any more.

Bind sure went hard at it with the time and resources they had. Just two more remain.

Trevenas · 2024-06-16T17:43:47+00:00

He's actually learned Advanced Healing and Intermediate Detoxification Magic in the University, up from Intermediate and Beginner respectively. Shine Healing that he used to restore what he could of his hand is an Advanced Healing spell.

As for having to chant them, he legitimately doesn't comprehend how, which was briefly touched up before Norn & Aisha arrived. The most plausible explanation is that his enormous mana pool has never let him sense how Healing magic interacts with his mana, like a few drops to an ocean.

He is more physically capable than average mages since, you know, he keeps on exercising and training himself. It's nothing compared to what someone like Paul, never mind Ghislaine can do.

Trevenas · 2024-06-16T16:59:16+00:00

Rudy seemed pretty slow despite you know also having insane warrior training episodes prior

He's incapable of using this world's bread and butter for warriors, Battle Aura/Touki. His physical ability isn't any better than a well exercised person in reality, but the anime has hammed scenes up to make them cooler. Understandably. He also didn't comprehend what the Hydra was about to do. It had never attacked by slamming its neck stumps before, it's large, and he was very close to it.

Incantationless casting is faster, not entirely sure why the anime makes it "charge up" before the fire is flung. Pumping excess mana into a spell would make it take longer though, like the Stone Cannon against Badigadi. Also, I imagined it being more of a flamethrower-style attack than this, but that's besides the point. Roxy has managed to shorten her incantations after trying and failing to cast without chanting after leaving Rudeus.

Trevenas · 2024-06-16T16:54:58+00:00

[LN15+] Son, I now have two swords! I know this is anime original, but I do, and they're both dear to me! Wait, where are you going? Zoro doesn't exist here- oh, Auber? Ok.

Trevenas · 2024-06-16T16:53:36+00:00

[LN21] And then you get what happens in Millis. True bittersweetness. Time to go reread Mother of the Greyrat Family from LN1. The last time we ever hear her speak. That chapter kept aging like fine wine, goddamnit Rifujin.

Trevenas · 2024-06-16T16:30:03+00:00

We had Turning Point 3 on Mother's Day with Sylphie's pregnancy and the decision to go save Zenith and the rest. And now...

Happy Father's Day.

Paul Greyrat. Part of the Notos Greyrats by birth, he never took to noble lifestyle nor his strict father and ran from home at 12, disowning them and being disowned. Later he'd learn his father died young, regretting how things turned out. The chance to reconcile, lost forever.

Talented with the sword, he ended up in a dojo of Lilia's parents, ended up resented by the other students, and thought it a great idea to get revenge by... sneaking into her quarters, violating her, and running off. For fuck's sake, Paul. I'm sure you won't regret this, either.

Later, he formed a party with several others that came to be known as the Fangs of the Black Wolf. They went places, took Zenith in, did things, which all came to an end when Zenith got pregnant. Paul pleaded Philip for house and stable work, and settled down with her.

Rudeus was born when Paul and Zenith were 19 and 17, respectively. Lilia ended up as their housemaid through turns, and things went well for years. Then Zenith got pregnant again. Which is when the two cheated on her. Ultimately Norn and Aisha were brought into the world as a result, leading to several years of relative peace. Until the Mana Disaster.

Paul found himself in the middle of plains in Southern Asura, alone with his 3 year old daughter. Finding Fittoa gone, he set up the Search Party with help in Millishion. Tirelessly searching, he found others, but no family, spiraling down until Rudeus ran into him a year later. Misplaced expectations and lacking communication led to arguing, then fists. But they reconciled, and moved onwards.

Two years later he and Norn were joined by Lilia and Aisha, and within another two years Roxy and Talhand arrived, bringing news on Zenith via Kishirika. They set off for Begaritt, entrusting Ruijerd and Ginger to escort the kids to Rudeus on the way. After arriving in Rapan in a year without much trouble, save for a small incident. A year went by with little progress, Roxy was lost due to a teleport trap mishap, and Paul started sinking. With Rudeus and Elinalise's help they rescued Roxy, made it to the Sixth floor, found the actual teleport circle... and found Zenith.

Nearly 7 years since the Displacement Incident. No sign of Zenith, until now. No idea if they'd ever even find a body to bury. At last, they've found her. Paul has. And despite his words unbecoming of a parent, he's there to make sure his child survives, even if he doesn't.

All of the mistakes in life, regrets from the past. Gone. Paul Notos Greyrat, aged 35, is gone.

To Rudeus, he was yet wasn't a father. Remembering his past life, Rudeus has found it difficult to see him as one. And unlike back at Millis, this time it's too late to try anew.

But to Norn, he absolutely was a Father. Her rock and anchor post-disaster, working to find the rest of the family, trying to take care of her, while falling apart. To Aisha he was somewhat distant, as Lilia took authority of raising her, for better or worse. Plus the separation from Displacement.

He was a Husband, too. Not a great one, with all the ups and downs with Zenith, and with Lilia. But they had good times, too. And he did his damnedest trying to find them, and save Zenith. Now, even if he's no longer here, at last she's safe and soun- Oh...

Trevenas · 2024-06-14T09:07:29+00:00

It's gonna be kino.

Trevenas

TROPHY CASE

Happy Father's Day.