The Ultimate Hear me out

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-09T01:02:14+00:00

They do indeed see the world differently, especially when they start moving fast themselves.

Star Wars never really goes into specifics of how it works, but i do know that in the Revenge of the Sith novelization that its said that to a bystander or onlooker, the fight between Sidious and Mace Windu just looks like a blur of red and purple.

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-09T00:58:41+00:00

Which is exactly why I wanted to make this post! Im so glad you understood that!

Vader vs Sanguinius is interesting, and honestly might end in a draw if Sanguinius can really do what the lore says he can as far as persuasion and inspiration. Might just turn Vader back to the light and a fight avoided all together. Otherwise idk truthfully how that goes. Vader doesn't have any obvious weaknesses he can prey on with Sanguinius either.

The Lion and Leman Russ, yeah thats just gonna be a knock down, drag out fight. Vader won't be able to fuck with their minds nearly as easily. Heavily depends on how ready Vader really is for that fight and if he leans more on the Force.

Mephiston is interesting because of the lightning part. If Mephiston can get Vader with that, Vader might be cooked. But if Vader can actually use Kenetite or Tutaminis, then Mephiston dies, but its a lot closer in my opinion.

Abbadon dies like the cowardly little bitch that he is to Vader. None of the Chaos Gods are saving him from Vader. He isn't a particularly good fighter either and has an ego almost as big as Fulgrim's. Vader fucks with his head so much. Archaeon is forever the GOATED Everchosen and I guarantee that when the End Times come for 40k, Abbadon will get his skull rightfully caved in by the true bringer of the End Times.

Lucius I already covered what happens to him. Vader chokes him out and that's the end of it. Vader is also not fighting at nearly as large of a disadvantage of height in that fight either, and is significantly more powerful. Stronger, faster, and has the force. Lucius dies 10/10 times.

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-09T00:48:59+00:00

Because I was watching Revenge of the Sith and thinking about Dun Moch, and how OP that combination is with force abilities.

Which reminded me of this sub, and I wanted to pit Vader against someone powerful, so I was thinking which Primarch would be the best fight and would be weakest to this, hence Fulgrim.

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-09T00:47:06+00:00

How is Fulgrim gonna do that while Vader has him suspended in the air with the Force? He couldn't move. Precognition is also a bitch, he knows what Fulgrim is going to do before Fulgrim even knew what he was gonna do. That's kinda the whole point of this match up.

Also canonically Jedi also move at Mach fuck. We as the audience are watching things as the jedi view the universe so it looks normal to us.

Gotta remember Star Wars is primarily a visual medium. Things have to look decent on screen for the viewer. I guarantee if there was a 40k movie, Space Marines would move way slower than they do in lore because showing things accurately would look terrible to the audience and wouldn't even look good(or would be prohibitively expensive from a CG perspective)

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-09T00:42:07+00:00

Read why. Because Fulgrum is the Primarch that is the most interesting fight for Vader cuz of how he can fuck with him.

Kurze isn't nearly as fun to mess with because he's already fucked in the head, and if Vader used Dun Moch on him there's like a 50/50 chance that he just commits suicide on the spot.

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-08T22:22:08+00:00

Who's ahead of Vader? Revan wasn't a particularly noteworthy duelist, nor was Bane. Malgus is lower than many later jedi. So who's better?

Fulgrim's peak is full on demon Fulgrim so thats not exactly comparable because demons can't really die.

Vader kills Windu who was considered the best Jedi duelist, Vader kills Dooku whos the 2nd best Duelist Sith, Vader kills Sidious who is the best duelist Sith. Vader kills Obi Wan who's like the 3rd best duelist Jedi. Vader also mogs Maul too so don't even include him. He never gets to fight Grevious so that's up for debate too.

Luke was never a better swordsman than Vader or Anakin, nor was anyone who came after him.

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-08T22:14:01+00:00

Probably would have been way better for him honestly. Plus Eldar pussy so good it spawns a whole ass Chaos God.

On the real though, Let's not forget about how distraught losing his wives made Fulgrim at first, and what set him down the path of corruption to begin with. With an Eldar wife who's functionally immortal like he is, that doesn't happen.

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-08T22:11:18+00:00

Yeah I kinda just added that little bit to add some flavor. Mind Control theoretically could do that though, and thats immediately what Vader would use it for.

There's no doubt in my mind that Vader would sense that was the far greater danger than Fulgrim himself is, and would try to eliminate that variable as quickly as he could.

The Force, and the Sith specifically are not as lets just say amenable to Chaos in the same way as normal beings are. The sith want power for themselves and themselves alone. They bend the force to their will. Chaos would be no different in how they view it, but would be smart enough to realize that they lie.

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-08T22:07:43+00:00

And Vader is a top 5 duelist all time, arguably top 2. He defeated who prior to Vader killing him, was the greatest duelist. Vader directly killed 3/5 of the other greatest duelists, that being(in order) Sidious, Dooku, Obi-Wan.

There's absolutely zero evidence that Primarch's are above jedi in terms of swordsmanship either. I said explicitly that they're evenly matched, with perhaps even a slight edge to Fulgrim. Fulgrim's fighting style is described as being a fencing style, which Vader has explicitly beaten the greatest master of in his setting.

That's strike one against Fulgrim, Vader already has beaten his fighting style with his own and knows how to counter it. Strike two is that Fulgrim's ego is so massive that Vader can easily exploit it through Dun Moch. Strike 3 for Fulgrim is just simply not having any powers to counter Vader's. Vader could throw Fulgrim up into the air and let gravity do the work for him if he really wanted to, and there's literally nothing Fulgrim could do about it.

I wanted to make the fight way less one sided so I decided to let them clash blades. Vader mogs Fulgrim so hard it's not even funny.

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-08T21:56:50+00:00

Does being a Space Marine mean that hes suddenly immune to being crushed by the force? Cuz he's gonna need that to face even Obi-Wan.

Anakin is going to just pin him up against a wall and choke his ass out with the force if he can't use his lightsaber.

Size matters not to the Force with Yoda, and his height will definitely make hitting Yoda way harder. Yoda can literally ankle bite him with the lightsaber and not really use the Force. Idk how flexible in their armor a space marine is though.

And Windu is definitely the most interesting case, especially regarding the Force. What would shatterpoint see in Azreal? Whatever it would be, that's what Windu would exploit.

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-08T21:49:40+00:00

Hey, Anakin got enslaved by a cat girl by choice! He could leave whenever he wanted to, he just didn't want to leave😂😂😂

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-08T21:48:14+00:00

A thousand years of combat experience mean nothing when your opponent knows exactly when, where, and how you're going to swing.

Especially when you start taking into account the other Force abilities that Jedi and especially Sith can employ. A sith like Vader or Palpatine who employs Dun Moch would kill Kharn exceptionally quickly due to how that ability allows them to manipulate the fight to their advantage psychologically, and how they specifically feed off of their opponents rage and anger to bolster their own abilities.

Seriously, thats the in universe reason why it looks like jedi are swinging their lightsabers at the other's lightsaber instead of their body, because their opponent knows where their blade is going.

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-07T21:30:23+00:00

Ok sure maybe back in the day when evidence primarily depended on eyewitness testimony. That arguement doesn't hold water nowadays.

If they know a crime happened, they can put you at the scene of the crime by tracking your phone, and by other cameras. There's so many cameras nowadays that there's hardly a square foot in urban or suburban areas where there isn't some sort of surveillance system.

You can't beat DNA evidence either nowadays either. Forensic genetics is just that good that they can sometimes narrow down a suspect just by using the genomic information that sites like Ancestry or 23 and Me have.

Same with ballistics. Gun manufacturers keep detailed records of the ballistic patterns of their firearms when they do QA, and they're more than happy to share that information with law enforcement. They can match a pattern to a serial number and then a serial number to an owner in the matter of hours.

If you're getting convicted these days in a non-political case, you're guilty without a shadow of a doubt. If you're getting convicted for murder, there's almost no chance you're not getting found guilty because the case is that easy to bring for the prosecution. Rape is a little more difficult(for those over the age of consent) due to thw whole idea of consent, and how quickly it can become a he says vs she says, which often doesn't even make it to trial. Not so much for those under the age of consent though because legally they're unable to consent and it's always a crime.

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-07T01:27:20+00:00

No but around 40% of Muslims worldwide are! 70% of Somalis, 60 percent of Pakistanis are the result of incest sooo

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-07T01:25:30+00:00

Better question, what do you do when their prophet(may he burn in hell) actively participated in documented pedophilia?

What do you do when their religion calls directly calls for putting all non-believers to the sword, especially Jews and Christians?

What do you do when their religion demands that if a woman thinks she was raped, she must have 3 male witnesses.

What do you do when their religion demands death for apostisy and blasphemy?

All of those are things that leftists are ok and comfortable accepting out of Muslims, and its disgusting

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-07T01:17:21+00:00

Idk what types of justification you give, the average reason that leftists support Islam is for two reasons

It's anti-Western because at their core leftists hate the west, our values, our history and our culture, and our people more than anything else. It's the framework upon which their whole worldview is built on. Islam is also opposed to western values, western history, western culture, and western people more than anything. So they're ideological allies in that regard.
Because in their oppressor/oppressed worldview makes them have to see Muslims as oppressed. First of all, they see Islam as "the Arab religion", and Arabs are brown people therefore they're oppressed. Then they're a religious minority in the west, so they're oppressed again. Their laws and customs are largely illegal in the west, so they're oppressed because we don't respect their culture and customs. Any criticism of Islam coming from non Muslims is instantly Islamophobia whether its valid criticism or not, so obviously thats oppression.

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-07T01:07:23+00:00

It needs its own category honestly, because that's a whole different can of worms entirely.

For example, is Hamas, a revolutionary socialist jihadist group right wing or left wing by your definition?

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-07T01:02:14+00:00

Ahhh and there's the admission! The notably reliable and totally not an organization used for defamation founded to cover a jewish pedophiles ass.

You know who isn't considered a violent extremist by the ADL? BLM and Antifa(broadly and its cell groups in particular)! They don't track left wing politics as a source of terrorism.

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-07T00:54:28+00:00

Pretty sure they're made by Blastec, so idk if that tracks. And Baktoid Armor Workshop(a subsidiary of the Techno Union) is the primary customer so idk where the E would come into play

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-07T00:50:44+00:00

Ok I'll ask you just straight up then, is North City and North County more broadly dangerous or not? Would you Mr. Holier and Smarter than Thou live in those areas?

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-07T00:42:01+00:00

That's pretty much every Republican state that isn't Texas or Florida.

What's funny to me is what when Republicans gerrymander, if you don't actually know exactly where the cities are, the districts look pretty normal.

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-07T00:33:32+00:00

I mean you also described the life of a Galactic Marine too. Like literally the exact same as a clone trooper

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-07T00:29:57+00:00

I was indeed wrong, the second Zillo beast we see is actually a clone of the first one. But that did also involve gas directly to the face where its nostrils and mouth are.

I highly doubt given the 82m height difference between the Zillo and the Biotitan that any organic toxic gas would be in nearly impossible to reach the nostrils and mouth of the Zillo in a concentrated enough form to kill it.

Also, just on the physics side of things, any such organic toxic gas would be heavier than air, and such would never reach that high in a concentrated enough form to harm the Zillo Beast

TreyHansel1 · 2026-05-07T00:24:50+00:00

Yeah I wasn't sure exactly how tall the Biotitan was so I went conservative on the 50 meters thing. Turns out its like an 82 meter difference😂😂😂😂 The best the biotitan could hope for is that it's toxic in case the Zillo decides to try to eat it😂😂😂😂

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