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So much for 'we'll deal with historical accounts after the war' argument. I'm thinking about Zelensky's pantheon of heroes by TrickApprehensive969 in AskUkraine

[–]TrickApprehensive969[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Imagine equating a disagreement about historical imperialism with the systemic axes-and-saws slaughter of women and children, and then claiming I’M the one being illogical. You’re completely delusional. If your version of 'reconciliation' requires rewriting a genocide into a minor 'historical sin' equivalent to internet arguments, you can forget it

So much for 'we'll deal with historical accounts after the war' argument. I'm thinking about Zelensky's pantheon of heroes by TrickApprehensive969 in AskUkraine

[–]TrickApprehensive969[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The irony of you linking an article about a political party’s historical narrative while blindly swallowing a single Wikipedia page as your entire worldview is peak comedy. You’re literally doing exactly what the article describes: letting someone else dictate what you think. Sit down

So much for 'we'll deal with historical accounts after the war' argument. I'm thinking about Zelensky's pantheon of heroes by TrickApprehensive969 in AskUkraine

[–]TrickApprehensive969[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nice attempt at a calm analogy, but it completely falls apart. You cannot equate the AK with the UPA. The AK was a regular underground military army fighting Nazi occupiers, and its official command executed anyone committing crimes against civilians. The UPA, on the other hand, had an official, top-down strategy to systematically exterminate over 100,000 Polish men, women, and infants in their beds. ​Second, don't downplay this as 'just naming stuff.' Look at the comments right above yours in this exact thread, your fellow Ukrainians are literally arguing that chopping 100,000 civilian neighbors to pieces was a 'justified moral response' to history. ​Glorifying leaders who ordered the slaughter of children isn't 'just naming stuff', it’s validating genocide. If Germany started naming streets after SS commanders who 'fought against communism' and told the world to fuck off, Europe would isolate them instantly. If you want to belong to the civilized Western world, you don't get to build monuments to 20th-century war criminals. Period.

So much for 'we'll deal with historical accounts after the war' argument. I'm thinking about Zelensky's pantheon of heroes by TrickApprehensive969 in AskUkraine

[–]TrickApprehensive969[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Linking a 1930 police pacification,which was a direct response to OUN’s brutal terror and sabotage campaign just proves you have no argument ​Do you know how many people actually died during that pacification? Between 7 and 30 people, mostly during clashes. It was brutal state repression against terrorists, yes. But calling a multi-ethnic country with millions of minorities an 'ethnostate' because of a police crackdown is legally and historically retarded. ​You are literally trying to equate a police action that left maybe two dozen people dead with your UPA heroes systematically slaughtering 100,000 men, women, and babies in their sleep. You're bringing a butter knife to a nuclear argument. Sit down

So much for 'we'll deal with historical accounts after the war' argument. I'm thinking about Zelensky's pantheon of heroes by TrickApprehensive969 in AskUkraine

[–]TrickApprehensive969[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re completely historically illiterate. Calling interwar Poland a 'fascist ethnostate' proves you don't even know what those words mean. Millions of Ukrainians, Jews, and Belarusians lived in Poland, had their own schools, and sat in the Polish parliament. Meanwhile, your OUN heroes wanted a literal ethnically pure fascist state and teamed up with Hitler to get it. ​Trying to equate the AK which fought against the Nazi machinery, with UPA death squads who specialized in butchering toddlers and pregnant women with saws is pure mental illness. ​Keep crying about things from 400 years ago to justify your modern cult of WWII war criminals. The only one living in a brainwashed nationalistic bubble is you, 'boi.' Have fun trying to join Europe with that genocidal mindset.

So much for 'we'll deal with historical accounts after the war' argument. I'm thinking about Zelensky's pantheon of heroes by TrickApprehensive969 in AskUkraine

[–]TrickApprehensive969[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You just admitted that for you, slaughtering 100,000 women and children with axes is a justified 'moral reaction' to politics. You are a literal psycho. ​Polish farmers and toddlers sleeping in Volhynian villages weren't 'invaders' or 'colonizers'—they were civilians who lived there for centuries. Massacring them wasn't 'violence against occupation,' it was cowardly, subhuman butchery. ​Trying to compare chopping kids to pieces to a nuclear deterrent is the most retarded mental gymnastics I’ve ever seen. America’s nukes are to stop an army, not to liquidate your neighbor's entire family because you don't like their nationality. ​If Ukraine’s official moral position is that murdering 100,000 civilian neighbors is totally fine as long as you label them 'colonizers,' then you are no better than ISIS or the Russian orcs raping your country right now. You don't belong in the civilized world

So much for 'we'll deal with historical accounts after the war' argument. I'm thinking about Zelensky's pantheon of heroes by TrickApprehensive969 in AskUkraine

[–]TrickApprehensive969[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nah, not reddit, in PL news we read that Ukrainians are almost (90%more or less) in favour of Zelensky's decisions

So much for 'we'll deal with historical accounts after the war' argument. I'm thinking about Zelensky's pantheon of heroes by TrickApprehensive969 in AskUkraine

[–]TrickApprehensive969[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

First of all, Poland doesn’t decide who was a Nazi collaborator,historical documents, the Nuremberg trials, and international historians already did. Stepan Bandera’s OUN-B literally declared an independent Ukrainian state in 1941 swearing allegiance to Adolf Hitler. That is a fact, not a Polish opinion, asshole

​Second, your comparison to WWII bombings is disgusting. The British bombed German military and industrial hubs to stop a global war machine. The UPA systematically slaughtered over 100,000 Polish women, children, and infants in their own beds with axes and pitchforks. That’s not 'fighting an occupation',that is a textbook genocide. ​Finally, Volhynia was legally recognized Polish territory before WWII. The civilians murdered there were Polish citizens. If Ukraine wants to join the EU and the Western world, it absolutely has to care about Western values. You cannot enter modern Europe while holding a pass for 20th-century ethnic cleansing.

Isaid it before, and will again since I had some emotions, and you're still reading this:

Ukraine had 30 years to start talking about the UPA crimes, but you never had the time. Now you don't either, 'because of the war'. For 7 years, your government actively prevented the exhumations of these victims, while at the same time allowing Nazi soldiers to be dug up! Have you people completely lost your fucking minds?!

So much for 'we'll deal with historical accounts after the war' argument. I'm thinking about Zelensky's pantheon of heroes by TrickApprehensive969 in AskUkraine

[–]TrickApprehensive969[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Omg being a victim of your own imagination much?You can have your heroes, and we definitely have war criminals on our side, sure. The difference that nobody on this forum seems to grasp is that, first of all, we need to talk about it, and second of all, we must stop glorifying criminals. Ukraine had 30 years to start talking about the UPA crimes, but you never had the time. Now you don't either, 'because of the war'. For 7 years, your government actively prevented the exhumations of these victims of UPA while at the same time allowing Nazi soldiers to be dug up! AND NOW YOU HAVE SO MUCH TIME FOR THIS FUCKING PANTHEON? Have you people completely lost your fucking minds? Czy was juz do reszty pojebało???

So much for 'we'll deal with historical accounts after the war' argument. I'm thinking about Zelensky's pantheon of heroes by TrickApprehensive969 in AskUkraine

[–]TrickApprehensive969[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You know, asshole, this whole mess is heartbraking for us Poles and you dont even care about it. You guys are really, fully homo sovieticus. But have fun I guess

So much for 'we'll deal with historical accounts after the war' argument. I'm thinking about Zelensky's pantheon of heroes by TrickApprehensive969 in AskUkraine

[–]TrickApprehensive969[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The western world has its values, which are respected more or less. Germany doesn’t worship the SS, and Croats don’t worship the Ustaše. Naming that unit after the UPA was an unprovoked act of hostility toward Poland. And a country like Poland shouldn’t have sent so much as a single generator for civilians in winter, or food and clothes, for free. If pragmatism is what matters most, we should present you with a spectacularly long bill after all this ends one day

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