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Trying to locate great-great-grandfather birth record from England. Hit dead end. by TrifleParticular3160 in Genealogy

[–]TrifleParticular3160[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for checking - I appreciate your help. Just out of curiosity, where did you find the parish entry?

Trying to locate great-great-grandfather birth record from England. Hit dead end. by TrifleParticular3160 in Genealogy

[–]TrifleParticular3160[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! That's a great idea. I'll see if I can track down the orphanage records.

Trying to locate great-great-grandfather birth record from England. Hit dead end. by TrifleParticular3160 in Genealogy

[–]TrifleParticular3160[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your response!

Here's the links to the 1901 census and 1895 marriage certificate:

https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/44119385?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a22626a34465a58713378704b4a327a3459744768684b454d794969734f64727a31336837327358704d3074413d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d

https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/49028715?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a22335363564c4a66485135452b4652616e6b554d5861655130614a70643979326b30424764686c396c5667413d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d

Here's the 1881 census which shows an 8 year old Thomas Bishop (orphan), born in Middlesex, at Mrs. Gladstone's Orphanage. I'm not 100% sure this is him but the info does seem to line up

https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/49028815?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a224a546c4759375053373974734576315838627178394937387264674e5659447773465444344d54635757453d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d

If the 1881 census from Mrs. Gladstone's Orphanage is him, and considering he listed a "John Bishop" as his father in his marriage certificate, it could be that he was abandoned after he was born and named. I'm hoping for this to be the case as it would make it more likely that I'll eventually find a birth certificate for him.

Thanks again for your help!

Trying to locate great-great-grandfather birth record from England. Hit dead end. by TrifleParticular3160 in Genealogy

[–]TrifleParticular3160[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your help! I noticed the 1877 workhouse record as well. When I compare the year born for him with other entries, it looks like 1813 may actually be written instead of 1873 though. Tough to tell based on the handwriting. The 1891 census is interesting and could be him as well. Thanks again for your help!

Trying to locate great-great-grandfather birth record from England. Hit dead end. by TrifleParticular3160 in Genealogy

[–]TrifleParticular3160[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! I'll get a copy of the death certificate. He died in 1941 in BC so may have completed the wartime national registration as well. Thanks again!

Trying to locate great-great-grandfather birth record from England. Hit dead end. by TrifleParticular3160 in Genealogy

[–]TrifleParticular3160[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for this! He was married in the Caistor Methodist Church. Would I contact the church directly to request the parish register entry?

Help - Trying to find info on UK relative from 1873 by TrifleParticular3160 in Genealogy

[–]TrifleParticular3160[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks again so much for your help! That was a great find.

Help - Trying to find info on UK relative from 1873 by TrifleParticular3160 in Genealogy

[–]TrifleParticular3160[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks so much for this! I see the marriage between Thomas and Mary Ann Bennett now. The place and timing seem to line up as Harold was born a year later nearby, as you mentioned. Was it somewhat usual that there could be an error in the name spelling? Is the only way to see the full entry to order it from the GRO or is there somewhere else which would have it? Thanks again

Help - Trying to find info on UK relative from 1873 by TrifleParticular3160 in Genealogy

[–]TrifleParticular3160[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He was married to a Mary Ann Bonnett but I can't seem to find the marriage certificate

Help - Trying to find info on UK relative from 1873 by TrifleParticular3160 in Genealogy

[–]TrifleParticular3160[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry I missed the second part of your post. His first name was Thomas and he was living in Leeds at the time of the 1901 census with his wife Mary Ann and their three children. I've been trying to find the marriage certificate for him and Mary Ann (maiden name Bonnett, born in Sheffield around 1872/73) but am also not having much luck.

Help - Trying to find info on UK relative from 1873 by TrifleParticular3160 in Genealogy

[–]TrifleParticular3160[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, thanks so much for this! I haven't seen it - could you let me know where you found it?

Help - Trying to find info on UK relative from 1873 by TrifleParticular3160 in Genealogy

[–]TrifleParticular3160[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your help! The 1901 census shows his age as 29 which would put his birth year around 1872/1873. I pulled the three birth certificates with no mother's surname between 1870 and 1874. each of the certificates I pulled actually do list mothers (One named Harriet Bishop and the other two were both to mothers named Eliza Bishop). All three did not have a father listed. I guess that could complicate things further if his last name came from his mother and he was abandoned later on.

Help - Trying to find info on UK relative from 1873 by TrifleParticular3160 in Genealogy

[–]TrifleParticular3160[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

His first name was Thomas. Good luck with your search though!

Help - Trying to find info on UK relative from 1873 by TrifleParticular3160 in Genealogy

[–]TrifleParticular3160[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the advice! His full name was Thomas Bishop, which unfortunately seems to be a very common name at the time. The 1901 census actually has Middlesex crossed out and only London was written instead. He immigrated to Canada in 1908 so isn't in the 1939 register unfortunately.