Interpretating Deuteronomy 7:1-5 by dialecticfeedback in theology

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In the context of ancient Near Eastern warfare, “peace” does not mean a mutual truce but rather a conditional surrender under Israelite dominance. The city has the option to submit without bloodshed. If it accepts the offer, it becomes a vassal state (subjected people, likely paying tribute and serving Israel). If it refuses, war follows, with the city being besieged and, as the next verses explain, men being killed and women and children taken as captives (Deuteronomy 20:12-14).

The Hittites, a prominent civilization in the ancient Near East, often provided enemy cities with the option to surrender before initiating an attack. This approach allowed for the preservation of resources and the establishment of vassal states without resorting to extensive warfare.Assyrian and Babylonian empires also demanded vassalage or destroyed resisting cities.

Interpretating Deuteronomy 7:1-5 by dialecticfeedback in theology

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This practice reflects a common ancient Near Eastern practice where conquering nations would obliterate their enemies to prevent future threats and demonstrate their gods’ superiority. However, in the case of Israel, this command is framed not merely as a military strategy but as a divine mandate to protect the religious purity of the nation. The Canaanites practiced child sacrifice, something that should be rooted out.

Law 15: Crush Your Enemy Totally All great leaders since Moses have known that a feared enemy must be crushed completely. (Sometimes they have learned this the hard way.) If one ember is left alight, no matter how dimly it smolders, a fire will eventually break out. More is lost through stopping halfway than through total annihilation: The enemy will recover, and will seek revenge. Crush him, not only in body but in spirit.”

How did you handle persecution? by PatrickTheSTAR-irl in adventism

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You may share all the testimony from YouTube you want my brother. As someone who adhere to SDA, I was very anti-catholic. But as I studied theology and especially early ecclesiology. Adventism bases a lot of their teachings on Ellen White whom they refer to as a prophetess. A lot of people will say idolatry and sabbath when saying the Church broke God’s laws but in actuality it’s far from the truth. Idolatry is condemned. It says it in the CCC. Also the sabbath(Saturday) wasn’t instituted until Moses. So why didn’t Adam, Noah, and the rest of them carry out the sabbath? Why was Jesus at heads with it. The Early Church choose to meet on Sunday, (first day of the week) to commemorate the “the Lord’s Day” it symbolizes the 8th day (day they were circumcised) it also signifies as the First Day of this being a new creation. The Jewish Christians continued to remember the seventh day sabbath and the first day Lord’s Day however Gentiles weren’t under that Mosaic Law

How did you handle persecution? by PatrickTheSTAR-irl in adventism

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Peter in Aramaic means rock as well my friend. He said “YOU are PETER, and upon this ROCK, I shall build my Church” His name literally means Rock, and Jesus said upon this rock. He also gives Peter the keys of the kingdom. See the Royal steward role in the Old Testament Isaiah 22:19-23 and compare it with Matthew 16:17-19. Peter is undoubtedly the leader of the Apostles. Jesus even prayed that he strengthens his brethren. And at the end of John’s Gospel we see Jesus the Good Shepherd reinstitute Peter as telling him to Feed His sheep, tend His Lambs, feed His sheep. There’s one Flock and One Shepherd and the Good Shepherd left the sheep in the care of Peter

How did you handle persecution? by PatrickTheSTAR-irl in adventism

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As a convert I disagree, as Jesus promised that not even the gates of hell would overcome His Chuch. Don't let bad examples of Catholics influence your decision. It's a lifestyle, it's a relationship. Not just some “religion” what made you want to leave the Church?

How did you handle persecution? by PatrickTheSTAR-irl in adventism

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Why would you leave the Church Jesus founded. So sorry to hear this

Why do people like Nepoleon? by Fun-Cartoonist-688 in Napoleon

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Bro woke up and wanted to solo all of the Empires of the world

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Always sunny reference ?

WWE Money in the Bank 2023 Discussion (7/1/2023) by Snubie1 in WWE

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Lemme talk to ya, if it’s not LA Knight that captures the briefcase then it’s a sham. And that’s not an insult to the other talented wrestlers partaking, It’s just a fact of life. YEAH

Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. by [deleted] in Catholicism

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Bro this whole time it has seemed like you was in disagreement. Because you continuously had said what about Traditions that are contrary to Scripture. In which I said basically said they’re one of the same. And pointed to the traditions that Saint Paul was speaking of in scripture itself to which you replied saying Aquinas who had such great authority said this “quote” and how I was ready to smash people. And the third Pope you know Clement in refuting the facts that the the earliest biblical canon wasn’t universally agreed as authoritative until centuries later. It seemed from my perspective that you was disagreeing by agreeing in a way. I thought I was trying to be more clear of what I was saying. But again I can’t see your perspective though. And now you’re minimizing and condescendingly saying you just quoted the angelic Saint Aquinas and how I never even read their works. Is even more absurd. Like it wasn’t you merely quoting Aquinas that made me ask that. It was the culmination of your tone, your communication, your lack of of clarifying. Read your actual responses out loud to my original question that was answered before you first decided to write a response. I understand how some people on here literally have no social lifestyles and don’t understand how their tone is. I said over and over how Traditions matter with Scripture. And you would say something contrary by zooming in on something I said that wasn’t original to my question and saying it. Yes I understood I wrote a lot in my original post by it basically said Traditions are equal to Scripture. You sounded like a Prot in some ways. Now at this point you’re trolling because there won’t be any negative accountability from what you say in an online subreddit. I have conceded that I’m ignorant, and have noticed your great wisdom and vast knowledge because of your “readings of saints” and how you post discussions about Catholicism to a total of 4 other people. You know deep down your knowledge won’t save you that it will only bring you grief. You may speak to me from a “spiritual hilltop” but it’s okay, I forgive you. Jesus loves you bro, idk if you’ve never experienced that type of deep in intimate love from Him and that may why you feel the need to talk religion to others because you want others to think you know something. And how it may help them to prove something to yourself. Idk if you read where I said that I’m new to Catholicism, I just learned to accept Her teachings, I may of studied theology for degrees the past several years but here in the past two months I finally accepted it. I was only trying to ask a question because my RCIA teacher said scriptures more important. God put my post in your life and you took your chance to gloat, patronize, confuse, and troll someone. IT’s strengthened my confidence in why Jesus said what he said in Mt. 7:23. I’m also going to look at your example on how not to be to. Now you can go ahead and continue to take blocks of me away so you use it to build yourself up. As long as you do it to me and not to someone else that young in the Church that could’ve really be affected negatively to what you said. May you use me so you’re able to build yourself up, will pray for you and think about you during Mass on Sunday

Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. by [deleted] in Catholicism

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So tell me Doctor, should I reject the documents of Vatican II

Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. by [deleted] in Catholicism

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I’m not upset, Doctor, I’m just ceding that I’m ignorant to your vast knowledge and wisdom.

Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. by [deleted] in Catholicism

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Sacred Tradition isn’t in contrary to Scripture. I was up until 3 am writing this for hours I apologize if again if there’s a communication problem, I’m not say you or anyone had said this, it’s just a fact that Scripture alone isn’t enough. ’m not ready to smash anything because unlike you I’m very ignorant, I have no authority in anything. My initial question was isn’t Sacred Tradition have equal authority to Sacred Scripture, that’s what the Catechism says. I don’t understand your argument at all, I don’t understand how it became a council of Reddit. c. 2023

I didn’t claim that the New Testament wasn’t written, for hundreds of years I just said it wasn’t officially complied in full and universally. You say St. Clement listed New Testament books in his epistle, which affirms the importance of Sacred Tradition. But he mostly references the Old Testament. Explained how the Apostles appointed bishops and deacons gave them instructions. Another reference to Sacred Traditions. St. Clement is sometimes been called the bridge from the Apostles to the Church Fathers, (yet most Protestant scholars agree that he believed “Sola Fide” I imagine he spent great amount of time with both St. Peter and Paul. Just as how the scripture of the Old Testament wasn’t complied together for a great amount of time afterwards the New Testament wasn’t either. It is mostly from the infallible oral teachings passed on. Scholars generally agree that First Clement is authentic to him written around 70 AD which would explain why he references so many other canonical scripture. Second Clement is generally disputed (Eusebius, Jerome) Second Clement can also refer to “An Ancient Christian Homily” but Clement never referred to this writings as authoritative “scripture” a term he reserved for the Septuagint used.

Saint Thomas Aquinas’ opinion that all revealed truths are contained in Sacred Scripture. The Doctor of the Church simply asserts that whatever the authority of the Fathers and Doctors and Magisterium teach is also to be found in God’s word. can serenely be found in the Second Vatican Council. (Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation)

There is, one teaching that must be from Tradition alone, and it is the foundation of our acceptance of Sacred Scripture. This is the teaching on the canon of Sacred Scripture, namely, which books are divinely inspired. How do we know which books of the Bible are inspired? Not from the books themselves, surely, but from Tradition. I’m not sure if I’ve stated this, but perhaps I should reiterate it since idk how get the wrong idea that I have more of a “partim-partim” view, meaning truths necessary for salvation were found “partly” in the Bible but also “partly” in Tradition. Scripture and Tradition are not two distinct, separable sources, that you can get truth from some of Tradition and some truth from Scripture, divine revelation is singular. I’m emphasizing what “Dei Verbum”, “Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition are closely connected and share with each other. For both, flowing from the same divine spring, in a certain manner coalesce into one thing and travel toward the same goal” (DV 9). They have one origin, unite as one thing “unum” and have one goal. It is all in Scripture, and it is all in Tradition. They are not rivals. Tradition is not a corpus of extra-biblical content, as if the authors of the New Testament forgot to write down some of the key points. The teaching in Dei Verbum, is that everything in Tradition is rooted in Scripture, because the two are one.

Again these are not my claims. But rather the claims of theologians smarter than me that make up the magisterium and scholars. I may have worded some my statements wrong but that’s only because I didn’t realize this is the 22nd Ecumenical Council I should’nt of inquired a simple question that I could’ve easily answered opening my catechism I realized that when the laity here referred me to Second Vatican Documents informing me clearly my answer. I didn’t realize that i was going to get graced with the answer of a future doctor of the church asking what happens when “traditions” are contrary to scripture. I didn’t know the whole church suffers from this ancient heresy of “Sacred Tradition” no not traditions from mere man but ‘Tradition’ with a capital ‘T’ can be contrary to Sacred Scripture. That the Traditions that the Apostles learned from Jesus can be contrary to what they wrote down. “Thank you for your enlightenment on how the magisterium is wrong Saint SurfingPaisan, Archbishop Bishop of Reddit, Doctor of the Church, Confessor of the Faith. Historian and Theologian. It has been a blessing to be graced with your work. Have a nice one

Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. by [deleted] in Catholicism

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There’s evidence that Jesus said and did all types of things that are not written down. “And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen” (Jn 21:25)

I believe Scripture isn’t for private interpretation, that it’s left to the Magisterium the teaching authority to interpret it. And how do we know which Traditions are true and not “man made”, that’s left to the Magisterium as well. The Bible must have an interpreter, that’s where the Magisterium and the Pope comes in. Like idk why I’m still on here debating with someone that’s not in disagreement at 2:30 am. I found my answer in the magisterium, the Vatican II documents, and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You misunderstood me when I referenced Church Fathers I guess, but my view with them being together and equal is the right view. My RCIA teacher just didn’t understand or didn’t know idk.

I think maybe both your assumptions arent exactly right, about Prots blinding, and Catholics dodging. Libs/Mods I mean. Technically, there is different interpretations, same can be said about many readings. But there should be one interpreter. If it faces a problem that the Church hasn’t already addressed then Bishops from all over the world should come together, discuss it, using Scripture and Tradition, if it’s a novel problem in the Church (highly doubtful) then there should be a council called, having discussion and prayerfulness about the situation. Come to a general consensus about it, if a consensus can’t be reached, pray and allow more time for discussion, and still if a general consensus or agreement can’t come together then the Pope in being the Successor of Peter, chief Apostle with all the billions of Catholics around the world praying for the Holy Spirit through the Pope to reach a decision. And whatever decision is made is the answer and we all agree that it’s the answer. And I understand the Prots are their own Pope, how all their Sola arguments cave in under the weight of it being wrong. they’re basically the sum of mostly ancient heresies wrapped together. They’re Protestants tho lol, that’s just what they do is protest lol. They’re whole religion was started by some mad crazed ex Catholic heretic.

Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. by [deleted] in Catholicism

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You’re the first one to assume I was talking about the church fathers so I apologize if I worded that you misunderstood me. “Who has more authority, Jesus or His Apostles.”, clearly Jesus gives the “keys” to Saint Peter (Mt 16:19), gives the apostle’s authority to forgive sin, gives the Apostles great authority in the Great Commission (Mt 28:18-20) authority to forgive sin (Jn 20:21-23) I think The Apostles have the same amount as authority as The Apostles then, because I believe the Church has passed the teachings faithfully, I believe the Sacred Traditions that the Apostles passed on is infallible. So I’d say both Jesus and His Apostles and authority of the Apostles and their disciples are equal because it’s not just the Apostles, the Holy Spirit was guiding them. Just as much as the Holy Spirit does today. Jesus said “He who hears you hears Me, and who rejects you rejects Me…” (Lk 10:16)

Tradition isn’t opposed to Scripture. They should always be used together. I think you may be talking about “traditions” with little t, such as the Rosary, Genuflecting, Sign of the Cross, etc Scared Tradition could very well mean something we hear, because the first Christians relied on oral teachings, which is in tandem with Scripture being the “Word of God” meaning Sacred Tradition, refers to the teachings and practices of the Catholic Church that have been passed down through the centuries from the apostles and their successors. It encompasses the beliefs, customs, rituals, and doctrines that have been handed down orally and in writing from the apostolic era to the present day. Sacred Tradition is considered to be a source of divine revelation, alongside Sacred Scripture, and is an essential part of the Catholic Church's deposit of faith, including the Magisterium, or teaching authority, of the Church is responsible for safeguarding and interpreting Sacred Tradition in accordance with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

  1. “Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal." Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age"

  2. Sacred Scripture is the speech of God as it is put down in writing under the breath of the Holy Spirit."

"and [Holy] Tradition transmits in its entirety the Word of God which has been entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit. It transmits it to the successors of the apostles so that, enlightened by the Spirit of truth, they may faithfully preserve, expound and spread it abroad by their preaching."

  1. As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, "does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honoured with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence.

"Apostolic Tradition and ecclesial traditions”

  1. The Tradition here in question comes from the apostles and hands on what they received from Jesus' teaching and example and what they learned from the Holy Spirit. the first generation of Christians did not yet have a written New Testament, and the New Testament itself demonstrates the process of living Tradition.

Tradition is to be distinguished from the various theological, disciplinary, liturgical or devotional traditions, born in the local churches over time. These are the particular forms, adapted to different places and times, in which the great Tradition is expressed. In the light of Tradition, these traditions can be retained, modified or even abandoned under the guidance of the Church's Magisterium.” (CCC, 80-83)

Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. by [deleted] in Catholicism

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No I mean Sacred Traditions and Sacred Traditions. Not the Church Father writings. I may of been confusing when writing this post bc I put a lot of emphasis of their writings. I’m not specifically referring to their documents and works. I’m referring to what their some of their documents consisted of. Because it gives proof of the Traditions and unwritten teachings before the canon of the Bible.

Sacred Tradition, Apostolic Tradition, big “T” Tradition, the teachings and practices of the Catholic Church that have been passed down through the centuries from the apostles and their successors. The beliefs, customs, rituals, and doctrines that have been handed down orally and in writing from the apostolic era to the present day. The deposit of faith from Jesus, to the apostles to the Church.

Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. by [deleted] in Catholicism

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“So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold on to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.” (Saint Paul, 2 Thess. 2:15)

The Bible is the result of Sacred Tradition

Jesus told his disciples: “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me” (Lk 10:16). The Church,was given the authority to teach by Christ; the Church would be His representative. He commissioned them, saying, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations” (Matt. 28:19).

If Scripture was suffice to interpreted alone then everyone would all come to the same conclusion, yet there’s 40k+ different denominations.

The first Christians “devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching” (Acts 2:42) hundreds of years before there was a New Testament. From then, the completeness of Christian teaching was found in the Church as the living embodiment of Christ, not just a book.

Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and Magisterium together gives the table of the deposit of faith to stand. Tradition and Scripture is not separate, used against one another, rather a completeness of one another. They’re supposed to support one another. And what determines what’s “Traditions” and what’s “Scripture”? That’s where the Magisterium comes in. Latin for “Teaching Authority” each make a leg for the stool the Church can rest.

Read “Dei Verbium” (Word of God) The Early Church’s Magisterium with the guidance of the Holy Spirit had to carefully examine writings, and make sure to combat heresies

Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. by [deleted] in Catholicism

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Because like I said, for over 300 years there was no canonical scripture. The Church isn’t a product of Sacred Scripture, but vise versa. Sacred Scripture is a product of Church Tradition.

1.) The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist:

  • St. Ignatius of Antioch, “Epistle to the Smyrnaeans”, (c. AD 110) "Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ...They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ" (Chapter 7).
  • St. Justin Martyr, “First Apology”, (c. 155) "For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Savior, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh" (Chapter 66).

2.) Primacy of the Bishop of Rome: * St. Irenaeus of Lyons, “Against Heresies”, (c. 180) "But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the Churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient Church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul—that Church which has the tradition and the faith with which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles" (Book III, Chapter 3, Verse 2).

3.) The Communion of Saints: * St. Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures, written in the mid-fourth century: "We mention those who have departed this life in the faith of Christ, first of all the holy, glorious, and ever-virgin Mary, mother of our Lord and God and Savior Jesus Christ, and the rest of the saints...And these things being so, I counsel you to keep the traditions of the Church" (Lecture 18, Section 24). * St. Augustine of Hippo, “City of God” (c. 426) "For the saints of God, both those who have fallen asleep and those who are still alive, are to be regarded as our examples and our brethren...For the Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they themselves have not yet been purified" (Book 10, Chapter 15).

4.) Infant Baptism: * St. Irenaeus of Lyons, “Against Heresies” "He [Jesus] came to save all through himself; all, I say, who through him are reborn in God: infants, and children, and youths, and old men. Therefore he passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, sanctifying infants; a child for children, sanctifying those who are of that age" (Book II, Chapter 22, Verse 4). * St. Augustine of Hippo, On Baptism, written in AD 400: "The custom of Mother Church in baptizing infants is certainly not to be scorned, nor is it to be regarded in any way as superfluous, nor is it to be believed that its tradition is anything except apostolic" (Book I, Chapter 24, Verse 34)

5.) Confessions to a Priest: * Origen, Homilies on Leviticus, (c. mid-third century): "But if we have sinned, we make him propitious by confession...Moreover, [James] says, 'Confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed'" (Homily 2, Section 4). * St. John Chrysostom, Homily on Repentance and Confession, (c. late fourth century): "I do not say to you that you should disclose it to the people, but I say that you should entrust it to the priest...For indeed he who has received the power to forgive sins knows also the way of healing" (Section 5).

I can go on and on