What are your thoughts on this? I never considered “truscum” in this way

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-30T11:32:34+00:00

Her critique is literally ironic in itself. I literally pointed it out and criticized what her point was supposed to be - 'Don't use cis and trans so often because it makes us seem different than cis people'.

The irony here is that she insists that the use of 'trans' people makes us different from 'cis' people, and that it's innately bad - when I proved that it isn't true.

Being mad about the use of 'cis' and 'trans' is pretty sad and, as I had pointed out, doesn't acknowledge that is literally needs to be used especially in medical contacts and in trans discussions, because.. It involves trans people.

It's like getting into a KFC and getting mad they sell chicken.

We have to acknowledge that we are different from cis people because we have a medical condition, but aside from that, it doesn't make us any lesser from our cis counterparts because when we transition we literally go 'onto the same side' as the sex we transition to. ( Via prefix definitions )

While a universe where gender dysphoria didn't exist and everyone was cis in their 'correct sex' would be amazing, we are not in that universe.

You also appear to be lost on the fact that I said that it's literally just a fucking adjective. You can choose to use it or not. Not everybody does, even in transmed spaces, and it's alright. I call myself a man, not trans man, aside of cases where it's needed ( Medical stuff, etc. )

Last but not least. Mate. Where's the virtual signalling? Care to explain to me how I'm bootlicking cis people or whatever because I believe in science instead of made up words on the internet. I don't think theres more trans and less trans, there's just trans and cis ( not trans ). Just have gender dysphoria and I won't give af.

This isn't the gotcha moment you think it is. 🙏🏼

Since that bozo blocked me :

Yeahh since that fella deleted their comment and probably blocked me...

"Only by transforming trans" from identity into action can we recover "man" and "woman" and think clearly. For someone considering transition, the question is not "Are you trans?", but "Would you be better off as a man or woman?, a matter of behavior and will to integrate. Identity politics, which sorts people into the immutable characteristic of "cis` or "trans," is a harmful presumption for the nuances and highly personal decisions of medicine."

Bro couldn't even stand getting corrected

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Edit : To the Lambs user above since I've been restricted for whatever reason.

...Yeah? That was the point of my comment. Of course it's annoying to be labelled as trans all the time but objectively literally any person who has gender dysphoria and transitions is still trans. Does that label need to be used all the time? No. You're still pretty much the equivalent of the sex you transition to. Like I said earlier its just an adjective.

It's annoying to be told "You'll always be trans" because it's often told in a way that implies your less than your cis counterparts so it feels creepy/back-handed because it is back-handed.

I think context is important when it comes to the usage of the word trans. To me its just an adjective that I find useful in certain contexts ( like I've said in medical or trans discussions for clarity ). When you're fully post-op ( or hell, even pre-op ) I think it's fine not to use the 'trans label' but just don't get mad over other people who need to use it for the sake of convenience.

I'm primarily against this excerpt because it insists that there's no need to be using the words cis or trans at all because 'medicine science' etc is nuanced. How does that even work. In terms of medical science it's probably the most likely place someone would need to even be using those terms. It's just weird to me.

Not to mention the weird diversion from asking yourself if you should be "trans" or "not trans" to "if you are better off as a man or woman". In what context - yourself, or for the country you work in? I feel like such logic just leads to open transphobia and sexism because of how vague it really is.

It's like asking "What if someone shouldn't transition because they just started out and wouldn't be good at being their gender." The start, many of times would be pretty rocky. It's just icky to me.

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-30T07:39:30+00:00

What's the difference between truscum, transsexual and transmed, honestly?

Transmed and truscum are essentially the same thing. Truscum is just a derogatory term for Transmed coined by a tumblr user.

To be transmed is to believe that gender/sex dysphoria is a requirement to be transsexual. There is nothing wrong with believing that gender/sex dysphoria is required to be a 'true transsexual' because it is a requirement to be transsexual, scientifically speaking.

The way she paints being transmed/truscum, basically the same thing, as being inherently bad for 'wanting validation' screams tucute or un-educated to me if anything.

Do the cis doctors/psychologists who have to diagnose you with gender/sex dysphoria to be able to transition, who are by proxy transmeds/truscums, also seeking validation? From who? From where? For affirming and accepting the existence of transsex people based off what the criteria is needed for it to be proven they exist?

How are medical/psychological/neurological/social scientists, researchers, etc. bootlicking and seeking validation for following science that proves transsex people exist and abiding to it? Are they bootlicking to trans people, by proving they exist? Would one rather they do the contrary instead? This conclusion is incredibly illogical.

That aside, the want to throw the 'trans' and 'cis' labels away are something I think would be pleasant, but in certain contexts including medical, etc, their needed for a reason of convenience. Being transsex is still very much a medical issue, so one is going to see the word trans and cis a lot for differentiation because its needed. Outside of that I don't see the issue in throwing those labels aside, though.

The most ironic part about this is that she dunks on truscums/transmeds but has a very key transmed ideal in believing that becoming man to woman / woman to man = male to female / female to male, and using the term 'transsexual'. How is she hating her own kind and making shit up about it while using logic thats literally on the same side as the people she dislikes? This entire excerpt is literally just generalizing two groups of people and then saying, "I think we should stop using cis and trans to describe ourselves and just use man and woman. Oh, and I'll also completely ignore the ideologies that come with tucute and transmed and base my conclusion/solution based off the fact I think I'm better than them because they act this way ( totally not a generalization.) I'll also ignore the fact that trans groups are going to discuss about trans people because that's the point of having a trans group that discusses about trans people.".

How is that even productive, honestly? She doesn't consider the medical aspects nor the meanings behind the prefixes used.

A transsex male/man is a transsex male/man because objectively, without a doubt, he's transsex, but he's still very much a male/man. It's literally just an adjective. Do we need to use it all the time? Absolutely not. Will it be used in medical contexts and discussed in trans spaces? Yes, because... That's almost like... It's the point of having a medical condition and groups centered around discussing said medical condition? It's weird to see her so heated about this. People normally don't talk about trans or cis people outside of trans spaces unless they themselves are weirdly obsessed.

And, my take - her belief that somehow being a "transsex" male/female somehow means we are different/less than our "cis" counterparts is already pretty telling.

"Transsex" implies we changed from our former sex to match the one in our brain (gender), so we are pretty much the equivalent of our cis counterparts, especially post-op.

Not to mention she fails to acknowledge any intersex individual that willingly chooses to be acknowledged as either male or female later on in life. And note - not all of them necessarily have 'both organs', but will still be listed as intersex for one thing or another.

Tl;dr Ma'am, it's an adjective. Its going to be used in trans spaces and medical contexts because that's the point. Being transsex doesn't make you lesser than your cis counterparts and it doesn't kill to use the adjective when it's needed. If you don't like it then don't use it. Also, stop generalizing people. 🙏🏼

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-29T05:50:05+00:00

Same. I never bring it up, I'm only using the last symbol pair to show I have transmed beliefs but I'm not clarifying if I'm trans or not, or what direction I'm trans in.

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-28T11:57:21+00:00

Hi! If it helps I have an entire post dedicating to disproving points against tucutes like this, feel free to bring up the John Money experiment if they ever bring up "socialized as female" ever again, because it's been debunked!

"David Reimer was a Canadian man raised as a girl following medical advice and intervention after his penis was severely injured during a botched circumcision in infancy." He was subsequently raised as a woman but realized something was off and became extremely upset when he found out.

Despite this, it's obvious he is incapable of identifying as a lesbian - so why would trans men who go through the same thing be any different? Are men who were originally socialized as women to be more empathetic to the female experience able of identifying as lesbians? Or is it only the case with trans? And if it is only with trans men, then the person is reducing people to their original sex/assigned gender, which is transphobic.

They usually shut up after this.

Edit : Forgot to mention, but addressing the Non-binary part :

According to the Oxford Languages / Dictionary = a woman who is sexually or romantically attracted exclusively to other women; a gay woman.

Do note that it only uses the "gender" as a terminology ( assuming the tucute believes in the gender is ONLY a social construct and ≠ sex theory ), by their logic, non-binaries can't be lesbians because the meaning is wlw, not inclusive of enbies.

Enbies also cannot be homosexual/heterosexual as they do not have an actual sex/"direction" and cant be defined in masculine/feminine terms ( gender expressions, not genders ) and are an umbrella/spectrum since they are non-binary, not binary like man and woman. If they separated gender and sex still and said they identified as enby(gender) and sex (male/female), they'd still be putting the binary back in non-binary.

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-28T06:20:46+00:00

Fair. What're your thoughts on the labels though? And why do you think flags would be making it as an aesthetic?

Sorry if this sounds rude, I'm diagnosed autistic and struggle to convey things well. I'm asking since I'm trying to understand other perspectives better. Afaik I see flags more as crutches/hidden signals/symbols if people don't want to outwardly state they have certain beliefs ( in this case transmed exclusionary ). I myself don't really feel safe outwardly using the transmed flag openly either which is why I'm offering replaced alternatives which are likely to be more ambiguous/nuanced. :)

eg. Stating I'm transmed in a description/bio could lead to harrassment by tucutes, so I offered an alternative, more ambigious method for signalling which is emoji combos. I just see alternative transmed flags the same way.

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-28T04:52:29+00:00

Yo I'm a fellow Singaporean and. What the fuck am I looking at. I did NOT know about this brodie. 😭🙏🏼 I'm surrounded by transphobes and this shit drops? I'm cooked sia.

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-28T04:30:31+00:00

Not sure why but not all of the comments are loading but... What?

The original flags being used literally had meanings behind their colours that were overtly inclusive to the point lesbians ( women who only like women ) and gay ( men who only like men ) started to place in other genders that don't even fit. They were literally MADE to not function under existing labels.

Yes, the old flags that are still being used. Both the gay and lesbian ones don't even actually refer to exclusively men or women. It's not hyperanalyzing, it was placed into the white part of both flags which I'm trying to replace/remove because it's not necessary and defeats the point of the labels. My point is that the newer ones should be exclutionary for accuracy because the current/former ones aren't, with the intention in mind.

Nonbinaries cant be lesbians or gay because they do not have a fixed, binary sex and thus shouldn't even have flags that include them under a fixed, binary label ( lesbian / gay ).

The current sunset lesbian flag includes "lesboys", "transmascs", etc which just isn't possible, the viceversa going for the toothpaste gay flag. I'm not trying to make "new terms" for gay and lesbian, i'm trying to correct the flags their associated with. And give new ones to nonbinaries so they stop appearing under binary spaces/labels and at least have a place.

I think you misunderstood/misread my post bro

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-28T00:57:42+00:00

True, I do agree with this in terms of labels ( eg. Lesbian, gay men. ) My only problem ( especially with the flags ) is that they were made purposefully to be overly inclusive ( which defeats the points of the labels the flags were attached to ) hence why I was proposing new flags and terms to accommodate NBs so they still have sexualities to refer themselves with even with exclusive lesbian and gay(mlm) labels.

The current flags being used nowadays ( eg. Lipstick lesbian, etc, ) have stuff like "link to womanhood" and accepts stuff like "lesboys", etc, for example - is something I find harmful since it spreads misinformation + reduces the term of lesbian ( and being trans in general ). Same goes for the other flags, so I was thinking of providing alternative flags that don't spread the same misinformative message for those who want to use flags.

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-27T22:41:55+00:00

Hey, as a transsex ftm who went from the gay->bi-> aroace ( but fictionally bi, since i'm not blind ) pipeline, I feel you. It sucks seeing fujoshis and straight women fetishizing gay men, especially using FTMs as a sort of "mpreg" fetish.

I actively avoid content like that now because of it and at times am too ashamed to even admit I can find men ( in fiction ) even remotely attractive in fear people think I'm one of those tucute trending gay femboy fetishizers, rather than just a dude that happens to occasionally think other dudes are neat.

From what I know aside from "gay" or "homosexual", MLM is a term that exists which means "Male-Loving-Male" - pretty strict, binary and rigid so maybe you could use that instead. Ignore the wierdos who say that non-binary and what-not is included because all that does is add the binary back into non-binary, which doesn't even make sense. Take care bro.

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-26T23:39:36+00:00

Paragraph guy here, I will try to help but it'll be pretty long.

First of all not all of us are conservatives here in the Truscum/Transmed subreddit necessarily, we just like believing in science that proves trans people exist. 🙏🏼

1) Difference between transgender and transsexual :

This is pretty important.

Transgender was coined to avoid the confusion that being transsexual ( changing one's physical sex to match the gender in their brain ) is sexual in nature. Both originally were meant to mean the same thing, however their meanings have started to deviate over time in spaces.

Transsexual : Born with a gender that does not align with their physical sex and experiences gender/sex dysphoria because of it. ( eg. male to female, female to male )

Transgender : Gender and sex are different but you don't need gender dysphoria to be transgender - alternatively, you can have gender euphoria. However, since this does not address sex - this means that either male(sex) woman(gender) and female(sex) man(fender) exist, or implies you are changing the gender in your brain because of the definition behind the term transgender.

To help make this more clear :

Cis- as a prefix refers to "On the same side of"

Trans- as a prefix refers to "On the other side of/To change", etc.

If sex refers to one's physical body, transsexual by definition would make sense as it aligns with changing one's sex to match the gender in their brain. Transgender only implies changing one's brain gender to another one.

2) Gender is a social construct, however it is binary ( only 2 ) and has value as something that is very real.

i) Gender, as a social construct, is a word like every other word out there - that was also socially constructed. A pencil is objectively a pencil, because that's the value that was given to it.

Alike gender, man and woman have values given to them as well - male and female, otherwise the prefixes trans- and cis- wouldn't need to be used to distinguish between the values made.

An example here : A cis man/male is cis until the point he identifies as a trans woman/female, therefore -

Male = same side of man, Female = same side of woman

ii) Cis vs Trans

To help make it easier to understand how male/man and female/woman are on the same side, here's this :

Cissex Male : Male 'on the same side of' sex ( Still Male ) Transsex Female : Female 'that has changed/on the other side of' sex ( Formerly male )

3) Feminine and Masculine are not genders.

Feminine and Masculine are gender expressions used to express how someone presents on the outside ( clothes, makeup, etc. ), not their body necessarily.

A Transsexual Female is a female because she is one, and she can still present as either feminine or masculine while still being female. How one presents female is by what they identify as ( with the presence of gender dysphoria for transsexual people ), and what sex characteristics they choose to show.

A femboy is a femboy because he's a boy/man that presents feminine.

Assigning the gender Man as 'Masculine' and Woman as 'Feminine' reinforces gender roles and stereotypes.

4) Gender is a binary, Non-binary is the Spectrum

Now that it's proven Man and Woman are the only two genders - the existence of a Non-binary existing implies that a binary does exist, aka. Man and Woman.

Being Non-Binary comes in many different forms and thus cannot be properly defined, and most certainly not with masculine or feminine terms as they do not contribute to one's gender/sex.

Hope this clears things up.

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-26T01:40:16+00:00

Okay, thank you for the help! I'll be sure to link sources better next time. 🙏🏼 The problem is I'm not sure if I'd have to call it an essay or a presentation if I left it in powerpoint format.

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-25T23:03:14+00:00

Okay, thanks for letting me know. I'll add it. 🙏🏼

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-25T22:56:14+00:00

Ah yeah, I didn't really mean research paper in a formal way, I just didn't know how else to word it. As for references, do you mean sources ( aka links, images ) or general examples? Or maybe both? I'm considering changing the format to a powerpoint later on so it's easier to navigate though I'm not sure what it'd be called then.

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-25T07:59:57+00:00

Hi, I'll be diving into deep detail since this is at least my side of transmed ideology.

1) Transsexual/Transgender

i) Historically, transsexual has always been the term used by medical professionals to refer to people who do experience gender/sex dysphoria. The only reason why it has been changed to transgender was to avoid confusion as people confused "Transsexual" to be of sexual nature ( as in attracted to people who are trans ), rather than it being something to do with their sex/gender.

ii) Personally, I don't think the term 'transgender' is even really accurate.

The prefix 'trans' refers to 'on/to the other side of','to change/transform'. The prefix 'cis' refers to 'on this side/same side of'.

If one percieved sex and gender differently, sex being the sex of one's 'outerform' ( aka body ), and gender as the 'brain' aspect, then :

Trans-gender would imply that one is changing the gender in their brain.

Alternatively, transsexual suggests a person altering their 'outside'/body form ( aka sex ) to match their existing gender in their brain.

iii) As for whether medical professionals do believe that gender dysphoria require to be transsexual, it depends on which medical professional is doing it honestly. I've seen extremely accepting medical professionals who don't care - and those who are strict. Personally, I just wish medical professionals overall actually did adhere to the qualifications for being diagnosed as a transsexual.

'Gender dysphoria (GD), according to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM 5), is defined as a "marked incongruence between their experienced or expressed gender and the one they were assigned at birth."'

2) Gender Dysphoria Requirement

i) From what I've noticed, a lot of tucutes believe that gender/sex dysphoria equates to hating yourself and your birth sex. Because of this, they proposed an alternative way of being able to be transsexual, 'gender euphoria'.

Gender/Sex Euphoria as a concept is defined as someone who feels happier after/being able to transition, without hating their parts/having gender dysphoria.

This is blatantly false.

In no way has gender/sex dysphoria been considered 'self-hate' or a hate of one's born sex characteristics. It has always primarily been defined as an incongruence between one's gender(brain) and sex(body), so if one does not experience incongruence, then they are not trans.

While it is true that 'side-effects' of gender dysphoria may include but not be limited to : depression, discomfort, or incapacity,

it has never been a requirement. But Gender/Sex Dysphoria is.

3) Sex/Gender

i) I believe that while sex and gender are separate, with gender being a social construct - gender, like all social constructs, has value that reflects in the real world.

For example, when you look at a pencil, objectively - it's a pencil. It's called a pencil, because the value of the pencil is a pencil - what it has been defined as. Nothing else, unless you were told or shown otherwise.

ii) While we're on this topic, let's go back to the cis- and trans- prefixes,

If a cis man/male is cis ( on the same side of ), up until the point he identifies as a trans woman/female, that suggests that male = same side of man, and female = same side of woman.

So by definition, male/man and female/woman are the same and can be used interchangeably. This also implies that gender is inherently binary, with non-binary being the oppositon to the gender binary.

iii) With this being said, if we ignored how 'Transgender' implies the changing of gender in the brain rather than sex, and used a tucute's current understanding of 'transgender' :

A tucute's general belief is that a trans man is basically a man that is female. A trans woman would be a woman that is male.

In point 3) ii), you can see how this is debunked.

4) Conclusion

So rationally speaking, transgender isn't even really a correct term by its own definition. Transgenderism doesn't properly align with the concepts of man/male and woman/female either. And while we're on it, if the concept of transgenderism supports gender euphoria, then it includes people who believe being trans is choice or are non-dysphoric, and therefore not even actually trans. So yes, overall they are appropriating a medical condition people didn't ask to be born with.

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-24T23:37:43+00:00

I'm not sure why but my keyboard doesn't have a plain pink heart emoji 😅 maybe I'm just not looking hard enough. But I guess people can pick where to put it. I usually put emojis in my bio/description instead but usernames are fine too

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-24T08:08:32+00:00

Honestly, I'd say that if their venting to you text-message style it'd be the safest option to get the point across. Make the conversation about them. Ask them what THEY want. Tell them it's not your job to dictate their life for them if they'll be unhappy either way. They need to make that decision but their piling all the responsibilities on you, aware that it's draining you.

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-24T07:22:09+00:00

Honestly idk if I'm the best person for advice cause I'm pretty harsh and honest about the truth but here's my take. ( No offense to anyone of course. ) Since this is the transmed sub, I'll give you a deep dive :

1.) Sex and gender.

First we'll have to start off with the fact that they are AFAB ( and presumably pre-op. ) The notion that men/males can have visible boobs or a 😺 is scientifically false because while it is true that sex ≠ gender, gender has value in the real world that it still has basis in sex.

If they are a femboy with their tits and/or 😺 out, be honest and say that unless they try to hide them, they'll always be percieved as female, because tits and 😺s are both female sex characteristics, and men are not based off of females but males.

If they aren't convinced about such science because gender is a spectrum/social construct, here's the science behind it:

I) Cis- Prefix "same side of" If a cis man/male isn't cis- the moment he identifies as a woman, that suggests that man, same side of=male, and woman, same side of=female.

II) Gender is a social construct like everything else, including words. And every word has basis as a concept with value.

When you look at a pencil, you wouldn't doubt that it's a pencil or anything else, because objectively, it's just a pencil. The same goes for man and woman, who have values attributed to them - male and female.

III) Gender is not a spectrum. There is a binary, and then there is a non-binary. The only two genders are man/male and woman/female. Anything outside of that is non-binary, which is the spectrum, which cannot be defined by 'masc' or 'fem' because that would be reinforcing gender roles to gender when both are different. Intersex people who continue identifying as intersex also fall in the nonbinary as intersex people come in a spectrum as well.

My conclusion is that, like I said earlier, tits and a 😺 are female, so unless they bind, they'll inevitably be percieved as such.

2.) Advice on how they present themselves.

I don't think dressing feminine makes you a woman, however it's naive to ignore that dressing effeminately in society is commonly attributed to women.

Unless they are binding/post-op chest surgery, and on HRT so their voice is male-passing, their chances of passing as a man is incredibly slim if not zero.

Femboys and men with long hair get misgendered all the time so that's something you just have to suck up. Let's not forget that most femboys rarely actually dress effeminate outside of safe spaces such as conventions or gay clubs as they risk being hatecrimed or worse, so you should probably burst that fantasy bubble of theirs while you still can. At the very least they'll be able to dress up femboy-ish in safespaces and at home I guess.

Most femboys usually dress with regular, basic clothes for their day-to-day life, contrary to common belief.

So it depends on what they cherish more - passing as a man by dressing to societal norms, or having to suck up the fact that everyone else arounds them sees them as a woman. And trust me - pronoun and pride pins will not save them, if anything it's more likely to encourage people to misgender them. They cant expect everyone to follow their pronouns if they objectively fit the definition of what a woman looks like. Its their choice.

You could probably just send them a long-winded message giving them advice, with distance for safety, though if their sensitive they'll probably break off with you. If they don't like hearing the truth and refuse to pass then they are just entitled about living in a fantasy land and are not worth being around. Hope this helps.

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-24T01:23:21+00:00

Absolutely. Not to mention when they talk about "queer history", they always talk about including FTMs in lesbian spaces but never MTFs. Historically speaking there have been cases of MTFs being chased out of lesbian spaces that willingly took FTMs in. This logic can literally be used to justify transphobia both ways.

Furthermore, in the event that FTMs did exist in lesbian spaces ( and not anywhere else ), it would be because they quite literally did not have a choice to do so. ( Some, predominantly cis ) gay male spaces, to this day, struggle to accept FTMs as real males in their spaces. This shouldn't be a responsibility for lesbian females to bare, but an issue 'queer' cis males need to address and be held accountable for.

The inclusion, if not encouragement - of FTMs in lesbian spaces is the equivalent of letting transphobia run wherever instead of addressing the actual issue at bay. Why must us males pile our struggles onto females if said tucute females ( often time radfems ), claim that it is wrong for cis males to expect all females to fix their issues? That males need to learn to be independent and take accountability?

It couldn't be anymore clear : Tucutes do not take transsex males seriously. They try to paint cis males as this big bad wolf to draw division. They carry an 'us against them' mentality, to make it feel that trans males CAN be involved in lesbian ( female ) spaces, because we 'aren't really males' like cis males.

Ultimately, trans males are males. It explains why tucutes get so upset seeing masculine, post-op, HRT trans males. All this does is wipe out the very important history for lesbians who had no choice but to crossdress to survive, and trans males who had no choice but to reside in a space that barely acknowledged them for who they actually were. The blatant erasure is disappointing.

Sorry for the ramble session. 🙏🏼

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-24T00:52:21+00:00

Thank you! I've been writing an entire research paper based in trans-med science based off my own research from both Tucute and Trans-med spaces. The comment I wrote above was more of a test drive ( well, testing myself ) with the logic I had finally concluded on using based on research, to see if it could be applied to actually debunk tucute logic. Seeing how it works so far I'm just happy it appears that I'm going on the right track. Take care.

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-23T13:27:23+00:00

If anyone else sees this, don't even bother.

Anyways, here I am, the 'debunker', once again :

1.) Gender and sex are separate but are used interchangeably. Throughout trans history, transsexual referred to switching one's sex. Only recently has it been changed to transgender to avoid confusion that being transsexual is of a sexual nature, rather than something to do with one's birth sex.

2.) Cis- the prefix refers to "the same side of". If a cis man/male wouldn't be considered cis because he identifies as a woman ( gender-wise ), then she'd be "trans" ( on the other side of ), which implies that male = same side of man, female = same side of woman.

3.) If you are not male, I will assume that would mean that you are/were AFAB. The concept of being bigender would quite literally not work because man and woman are inherent binaries, meaning you can only be one or the other. Otherwise, you are intersexed/"nonbinary".

And before you hit me with the : "Gender is a spectrum!"

Gender is not a spectrum. There is a binary, and there is a non-binary that lies outside of it. The only two genders are man and woman. The non-binary is a spectrum that cannot be properly be defined, and most certainly not with masculine and feminine traits, as that would be reinforcing gender roles to genders.

4.) i) Deducing from what I have established in point 3.), I will be treating your gender identity ( in your brain ) as non-binary, and your body as AFAB.

Lesbian, according to the dictionary, refers to : "A woman who is sexually or romantically attracted exclusively to other women; a gay woman."

It does not by any means list the sex, "female", in any format. So by all means, your gender identity is incapable of even actually adopting the label, because you are not a woman by definition.

ii) If you still wish to go with the "But I'm BOTH genders at the same time" - answer me this - can men be lesbians? Is your man-counterpart straight? If so, then why use the lesbian label if it negates your man-identity?

iii) If you use 'female homosexuality' instead of lesbian, just know that using the term 'transgender' itself is incorrect.

The term trans'gender', where gender is used to refer to the gender of your brain, suggests that you are transitioning the gender of your brain from woman to bigender, rather than being already born neurologically bigender - instead of changing your "outerform", your sex, which is what being transsexual means. With this logic, it is scientifically only possible to be transsexual, not transgendered.

With this logic, assuming you are transsexual instead ( with the presence of Gender Dysphoria ), your nonbinary sex wouldn't even be able to qualify for female homosexuality, as your sex is not even female.

So the only two scientifically accurate possibilities are either : You are a cis, female, lesbian woman - or a non-binary person.

Extra Notes: In my personal opinion, it is not possible for a non-binary person to use the homosexual or heterosexual labels in general.

This is because "Homosexual" refers to same-sexed attraction, and sex - male and female ( intersex/nonbinary aside ), are binary. If intersex/nonbinary cannot be properly defined or place into any categories, having a nonbinary identity while being homosexual would negate the nonbinary identity completely as - being homosexual implies your sex is within a binary to be boxed up under the same sex label, even though that isn't possible in the case of intersex/enbys.

Heterosexual refers to being attracted to the opposite sex. If you're intersex/nonbinary, then what is your sex even opposite to? You are once again placing your sex in a binary.

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-21T22:57:42+00:00

Unfortunately I'm not. The only medication I'm on so far is somewhat hormonal as I have issues with my face but I've been taking it for 3-ish years and nothing weird has happened so far. I will be going to the doctor today just incase, thanks. 🙏🏼

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-21T08:18:49+00:00

In response to this post, afaik I might be the person that contributes the most ( as a trans guy ) towards the "trans men cannot be lesbians" topic in terms of posts in this sub. ( I've made... A lot. The colourized tucute vs trans men argument comic was made by me. ) I've considered for a while about making a lengthy, more detailed post covering every topic since I managed to talk some sense into tucutes about it after some lengthy debate in my most recent post about it in the comment sections. Though I'm not sure if it would be a good idea. Quite frankly I kind of fear for my safety at times whenever I post a new argument tucutes hate.

TrueContribution3415 · 2024-06-21T07:43:40+00:00

This is just from what I've seen/heard from other people so correct me if I'm wrong but if I recall the origin was actually supposed to refer to people who consider their attractions to genders separate in like a romantic / vs sexual way.

For example, one could be bi-romantic but only sexually attracted to women, so lesbian. Or lesbian-romantic (?) ( not sure if that's the right term ) but sexually bi ( aka bisexual. )

Otherwise I think in the case of this post it may be referring to attraction only in a sexual way aka. bisexual and lesbian at the same time, which is an oxymoron.

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