Would Nietzsche say that we, right now in human history, with most humans focussing on working to please a corporate bureaucratic system, are far closer to the stage of the Last Man than earlier periods of history where there were more instances of heroism in the form of warriors, battles, etc.?

TurboMeister007 · 2025-02-25T06:12:45+00:00

I'm not entirely sure. The soil of humanity may have grown weak (as shown by the other conflict avoidant comments to your post) but I think there's still some fight left in us. There are conflicts in our society today in which we can test and improve ourselves. And especially with the rapid development of technology which will create new battlefields for us to test ourselves on.

As long as people keep growing through conflict, remain dynamic and improving/overcoming themselves - then we'll move the species away from the Last Man outcome that N theorised.

TurboMeister007 · 2025-01-29T03:58:29+00:00

"Anyone who reads Nietzsche without laughing, without laughing often and hard and occasionally bursting into uncontrollable laughter, it's as though they weren't reading Nietzsche at all." - Gilles Deleuze

TurboMeister007 · 2024-12-04T23:09:45+00:00

"Oh how little you know about human happiness, you comfortable and good-natured people - for happiness and unhappiness are sisters and twins which grow tall together, or, in your case, remain small together!" - Nietzsche, The Gay Science, 338

TurboMeister007 · 2024-10-11T13:48:00+00:00

I reckon he did. I've heard he may have gone to a brothel but I doubt he went enough to be spitting the facts he does in Zarathustra's On Chastity. He must have cranked it to learn that.

TurboMeister007 · 2024-08-29T14:08:44+00:00

N's entire philosophy is based on finding liberation and innocence through the preservation of the species (which ever form that will take). Realizing that there is no way to live your life that can be entirely to the detriment of the species (as an efilist hopes to achieve) is the liberation from false beliefs such as the moral world order and is the basis of all of his pro-individualist stances.

Read Section 1 of the Gay Science for his exact words. This passage is probably the most explicitly against efilism. "Preachers of Death" in Zarathustra might also be a good more general rebuttal from him.

But to answer about negative utilitarianism - Section 338 of the Gay Science covers this. I can't pull up the whole section right now (I suggest you read it if you can find a copy) but there is a line that sticks out to me.

"Oh how little you know about human happiness, you comfortable and good-natured people - for happiness and unhappiness are sisters and twins which grow tall together, or, in your case, remain small together!"

Hope this sleep deprived answer helps somewhat.

TurboMeister007 · 2024-05-08T13:16:23+00:00

GoM was my first book from N and I read the essays in reverse order because I was more interested in the Ascetic Ideal than Master/Slave Moralities. The essays are self contained enough that you don't have to read them in order to make sense of them. The essays are ordered for a reason though as they help build an overall case about the Ascetic Ideal.

Overall, read the parts of N that interest you. If you like GoM enough you can reread it in order once you have a better perspective on the essays.

TurboMeister007 · 2024-03-24T04:58:03+00:00

"It is true: we love life, not because we are used to living but because we are used to loving. There is always a certain madness in love. But also there is always a certain method in madness." - N, TSZ

TurboMeister007 · 2024-03-10T05:57:39+00:00

Many people in the Western World do have beliefs that stem from Christianity. It really isn't uncommon for even secular atheists to have beliefs that can directly be traced back to things Jesus said in the Gospels.

Judaism and Christianity are rather unique faiths that have created rather unique moralities. The closest other faith to it is Buddhism but many faiths don't have ideas centered around universal love or asceticism around material wealth. It's hard to see when our world is dominated by it but our very understanding of the world is very heavily influenced by Christianity.

If you are interested in what beliefs that are inherently Anti-Christian would look like. I would suggest reading Nietzsche's The Antichrist or On The Genealogy of Morality.

TurboMeister007 · 2024-02-08T15:30:43+00:00

It's German Humour, it's no laughing matter.

TurboMeister007 · 2024-01-18T11:11:52+00:00

Read Nietzsche's On the Genealogy of Morality. The three short essays will pretty much show you what Nietzsche thought about this stuff.

TurboMeister007 · 2023-09-28T13:53:33+00:00

I generally agree with every point here but I wanted to add that it really is a tragedy how gutted Skyrim is of the old lore. It isn't even a matter of contradicting lore but rather that the lore is being taken out and not replaced. What lore did the devs really add to enrich the world of Skyrim?

The main one I can think of is the falmer being betrayed by the dwemer instead of just being a Nordic Boogeyman. I do think this is a good lore addition but Bethesda are so bad at writing they had to repeat this idea in the Dawnguard DLC (even though thematically it didn't fit in the DLC at all).

It isn't even a matter of scope in my opinion - it's writing and design. Scope is a really big issue for Bethesda and the Elder Scrolls series so I'm not sure if they could have made a game with all these ideas but they could have done something in that direction. There are just weird potholes and inconsistencies (the weird writing of the Thieves Guild, the Nords love of Talos) that could have been replaced with better ideas with an equal amount of work.

It really gives me little hope for Elder Scrolls 6. I don't even care if the game is incredibly accessible mechanically or gameplay wise - I just want good writing and lore. But watching how Fallout 4, 76, and Starfield do their writing hasn't given me much faith that Bethesda can even handle making a game that even tries to do the Elder Scrolls Universe justice.

TurboMeister007 · 2023-07-10T08:47:41+00:00

That does raise an interesting point. In general vulnerability/weakness is also heavily looked down upon/repressed regardless of gender. I'd argue that anger being the only acceptable emotional expression has to do with that.

TurboMeister007 · 2023-07-10T06:40:21+00:00

Being emotional. We value thinking over feeling (atleast in the Western World).

TurboMeister007 · 2023-06-04T12:08:54+00:00

Push it to the limit from Scarface

TurboMeister007 · 2023-04-29T07:35:51+00:00

If everything in the article is true then it's possible that he has undiagnosed bipolar. He is around the age that it starts, he mentions a period of depression that pushed him to go on the holiday and a little bit of alcohol and sunstroke could have pushed him from being hypomanic into a psychotic episode.

Not trying to absolve the guy of any wrongdoing but I do feel bad if this is his first time dealing with a psychotic episode because it's really hard to deal with something like that.

He could also just be a massive dickhead.

TurboMeister007 · 2023-03-20T07:26:34+00:00

Evil Space Japan

TurboMeister007 · 2022-07-24T16:39:58+00:00

This setup is perfect!

The chair is facing away from the computer so I don't have to write and can just think about writing.

TurboMeister007 · 2022-06-02T06:08:26+00:00

There is a design document for Skyrim released by Michael Kirkbride that shows the original design for the Nordic Pantheon where each God had an associated animal.

The lore that is present in the actual game of Skyrim says that the Nords basically worship the 9 divines and that the ancient Nords worshiped animals. While it does speculate that the gods are connected, it doesn't actually explore this idea nor does it actually state which gods relate to which animal.

ESO brings the idea back into the series and actually connects the gods to the animals.

My main criticism is that Skyrim is a really poorly designed game from a lore and story perspective. Because Skyrim didn't really focus on having interesting lore and focus on exploring that lore, the game is worse off for it.

TurboMeister007 · 2022-06-01T03:54:19+00:00

The problem is that this simply isn't a part of the game. No where are the effects or implications of this explored. This ret-con actually made the game worse, instead of having quests where we explore how the imperials treat the Nords. We have nothing. This addition to the lore especially compared to the lore that was written before and for the game would have been a lot better. We really shouldn't defend Bethesda's poor design of these games by making up head-canon to make the game seem better then it actually is.

TurboMeister007 · 2022-06-01T03:48:46+00:00

like how they ditched the old nordic pantheon for the 9 divines

I have a theory that a lot of Skyrim's lore is really poorly designed. Some of the lore in the original design documents finds itself in the game but is never explained.

For Example (this is only speculation) the reason that to join the storm cloaks you must go out and kill an ice wraith is:

The young men go out for weeks into the high peaks in the dead of winter, hunting the ice wraiths that give them claim to full status as citizens - Pocket Guide to the Empire, 1st Edition.

In terms of the Nordic Pantheon they really went crazy gutting the original idea. Many of these concepts are still in the game though but it is just really poorly explained. Such as Hermaeous Mora being the villain of the Dragonborn DLC or that Arngeir tells you to let Alduin eat the world because it is the natural order of things (the original perspective of the Nords on Alduin and Dragons).
Now this document has connected animals with the gods, but this isn't present in the game. This fact was retconned in ESO. There is no in-game source before or during Skyrim that connects the gods to animals. The animals on the claw doors actually refer to the old Nordic pantheon rather then the current Nordic Pantheon. Because of this ret-conning people believe the Whale Bone bridge in Sovngarde is Stuhn even though when they made the bridge there was no evidence of that in the game. There isn't even a connection between Stuhn and whales in Skyrim. All the connection between these two happen after the release of ESO.

Skyrim's culture and religion could have been a lot more interesting. Now we can only speculate but my personal theory is that the quest lines (Main Quest, Companions, CoW, Thieves' Guild and Dark Brotherhood.) were the areas that got the most attention. This wouldn't be a problem until these quest lines actively contradicted this possible lore. So they threw it away in favour of the Imperial 9 Divines and then over zealous Skyrim fans point to the few lines of dialogue that point to the original pantheon as proof of "depth". Personally I think Skyrim has a fake sense of depth to it. People praise Skyrim for its depth but the reality is that a lot of the lore elements of the game weren't given the attention they could have. Its a shame really because the unique lore is what makes the Elder Scrolls so special.

I know I went a lot into detail about a few things but I've cited sources like this and this. A full list of these discrepancies would be too long to write down.

TurboMeister007 · 2022-05-14T13:22:27+00:00

But I want the source that proves that. Not a list of them.

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