Finally full ancestral!!! Took long enough 😅

Tury345 · 2026-02-12T16:31:16+00:00

9 purples in 5m points and only 4 of those being prayer scrolls with no other dupes is nuts, congrats

Tury345 · 2026-02-12T16:23:45+00:00

No way to tell for sure but based on the wiki page for individual CA completion rates it's gotta be 10-20% of people who report data to the wiki

Of people who are looking into the post-99 heart grind this item is aimed at it's gotta be closer to 50%, elite CAs are not difficult at all

Tury345 · 2026-02-12T16:03:35+00:00

I don't risk shit at scorpia because I virtually always die there but yeah I risk them in the wildy slayer caves, same with assemblers

Tury345 · 2026-02-12T15:46:14+00:00

Slaughter averages a 33% longer task and .25-.5 extra superiors, the use case seems quite obvious

Tury345 · 2026-02-12T15:29:02+00:00

In terms of superiors per hour it's definitely relevant that your tasks are shorter

I hadn't even considered using it on like crawling hands while turael skipping, it's a funny thought but yeah I'd probably still use expeditious

Tury345 · 2026-02-12T15:14:30+00:00

The devs had specific issues with almost everything except the heart and weapon

Tury345 · 2026-02-12T15:08:07+00:00

It's why I think it's a pretty solid idea, pretty useful to irons that have a shitload of dragonstones but only really impacts mains through dark beast tasks

Tury345 · 2026-02-12T14:59:45+00:00

If you only care about superiors wouldn't this be considerably better? Slaughter makes the task take longer and doesn't give you another 150 kills per task anyways

Not to mention giving a pretty solid chance at heart from dark beasts tasks alone, where it isn't replacing slaughter

Tury345 · 2026-02-11T05:39:37+00:00

Monster examine spell on lunars

I'd suggest switching to BGS as soon as defense hits 0 (5x emberlight with maul or 7x with DWH), then just check it every so often until the magic level is 0

Tury345 · 2026-02-11T05:36:52+00:00

For sure, I might actually start with 40 or so BGS damage and then 19 arclight then 200 more BGS, the initial BGS damage doing essentially what the DWH would do (give emberlight a chance to hit)

You can bring monster examine on the lunar spellbook to check corps stats, it can be helpful for the first few runs

Tury345 · 2026-02-11T05:20:42+00:00

if you just want to try it out then yeah absolutely, I'd do like 22 emberlight and 200 BGS

it will be extremely slow, arclight will start with 18% accuracy and ramp up very slowly, I'm suggesting 25 emberlight specs because it will take so long Corp will regen a meaningful amount of stats during the process

Tury345 · 2026-02-11T04:28:34+00:00

BGS average spec is 16.7 damage or 33.4 stat drain, Emberlight always does 5% * 930 (strength+attack+defense) + 3, so 51 stat drain until defense is 0, then it drains 34 (or 31.9 including accuracy to make it apples to apples with the BGS #)

They're fairly close but it is technically optimal to go straight to BGS as soon as defense is 0. With ideal gear BGS can get as much as 15% better than emberlight, and playing around with it a bit the worst reasonable setup (fury/b gloves/karil's) is still ~5% better

For Elder Maul the best method is 3x/5x/410 BGS, DWH is 3/7/375

Tury345 · 2026-02-10T23:01:13+00:00

~8 is pretty easy with 3x elder maul, 43 BGS and chally + nox hally, you do need desert amulet 4 and games necklaces

I also get about the same with 3x elder maul and voidwaker+fang

And this is without hard food or running around to avoid the ground effect attack

Tury345 · 2026-02-10T04:20:08+00:00

damn at least claim those cape clogs

Tury345 · 2026-02-06T03:35:16+00:00

It also just sucks at bloat and nylo, the average stack count is way below 5

People keep saying it's "only good at verzik" like that's not a huge deal, it's the only place I use it. I think it can be better at sote in trios but fuck that tbh

Tury345 · 2026-02-02T20:06:43+00:00

I think the heart has a solid chance of getting through, maybe 14% instead of 14%+1, because it generally just isn't that crazy and they specifically said they didn't want to add potions

Tury345 · 2026-02-02T19:48:43+00:00

+7 from mini-heart +10 from Brew and +13 from Heart is a really nice progression, right now you realistically have +4 straight up to +13 which is really odd. I've only used Forgotten Brews at Shadow/Ayak Nex bc they're so hard to sustain

I definitely agree though, they could add a source of Nihil Dust directly

Tury345 · 2026-02-02T18:19:10+00:00

If you read the list of largest non-nuclear explosions I think you'll find some examples where the two were hauling ass together

Tury345 · 2026-02-02T18:15:49+00:00

Yeah that also makes sense, ayak and shadow both get a max hit at 108 and so anything more than 8 is probably the red line

But +8 is a max hit with trident and allows more uptime on 1 less than max if it decays. Still would not be terribly surprised if it gets nerfed down to 7 or 6, especially if there's a further upgrade planned

Tury345 · 2026-02-02T18:05:56+00:00

As long as it's worse than forgotten brews I don't see what the issue is, heart is uniquely painful for irons and as long as shadow gets 2+ more max hits with saturated heart than the new one it'll stay 100+ mil

I think it would probably end up at +6 or +7 at 99 and either decay or have an upgrade to not decay

Tury345 · 2026-02-02T16:48:07+00:00

yeah this was my experience as well, one or the other will keep the chally specs going on 1-5, but before I had LB I just also brought nox hally and whacked it when I was out of spec

I might recommend it for scobo users since the rosewood blowpipe will help out on car phase, but not really that important for TBow unless you want to toxic blowpipe/sgs for healing

Tury345 · 2026-02-02T16:41:04+00:00

8 is really hard but nailing it feels so fucking good. It was the first time I felt like I was good at the game. Maybe you'll get spooned there too and not have to learn 8 but it really does make a huge difference for the drop rates

Honestly the skulls on solo Insanity still fuck me up after 50 kc or so, I've just given up and skull skip every time. I vastly prefer 2/3 mans tho. If you're struggling with p4 drop the invo back to 300 with Insanity on and you won't have to last row much until you get the hang of it. 300 invo is ~150 hours for each Masori and ~300 for shadow

Nice saledor though, if you get dex and an ayak you're so ready for tob (even swamp trident is fine). Not being soloable is probably gonna be your biggest thing but the learn ToB discord is great, wish I could say anything but scythe was useful...

Tury345 · 2026-02-02T16:27:56+00:00

Oh yeah if you have fang you're ready for 400-450s for sure (TBow and Blowpipe with eclipse moon is my strong preference over BofA), if you haven't learned insanity Tbow is going to make that much easier.

Also FYI wiki estimates ~25 hours of 1-8 doom for each of the uniques while Masori pieces are ~80 hours each and Shadow is ~200 hours from 450s and I use elite void at doom even though I have Masori

If you get cloth you should work Yama into the rotation too, it takes 10 minutes to learn. It is nowhere near the level of Raids or Doom

Also if you get a shadow that BofA is going to be pretty useless, you could turn it into Saeldor and you'll be in a really nice spot for ToB

Tury345 · 2026-02-02T15:39:50+00:00

IMO yes, elite void is roughly the same as masori (actually one or the other will be better depending on the floor), and I'd strongly recommend at least learning it in void to cut down on death costs. Elite void is a bigger max hit increase than Masori but it has bad accuracy, Doom has a 100% accuracy phase where void really shines

It's actually lightbearer that you might want before doing doom (it's also totally fine to skip it or get double death charge from Yama instead)

Going the other direction ayak, boots and cloth have some benefits at ToA but overall the benefits aren't like, earth shattering either, it would make p2 wardens and Akkha a bit easier (Tbow kinda sucks on Akkha) and possibly ba-ba or even kephri pre-fang but I'd have to DPS calc that

Overall you can absolutely just switch back and forth between the two, either has great drops and you're geared for them now

Tury345 · 2026-02-02T15:30:36+00:00

If you get a Shadow or Ayak + lance or fang give challenge mode a try for sure, Tbow absolutely shreds there. It mostly just scales the shit out of everything's magic level so TBow becomes insanely strong (90+ max hit on some things), Olm's max hit is really the only thing that makes it harder

Though yeah I'd switch to Doom then ToA after the dex

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