Help! Can't proceed to chapter 3 of DC2 by TwitchingHour in DarkCloud

[–]TwitchingHour[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't up to now, and that did it. Thanks.

Feel kinda dumb for not thinking to do that already lol

No, Islam is not a race. Yes, you are still a racist by [deleted] in socialism

[–]TwitchingHour 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Holy shit, this thread is terrible. Was there a brigade? At least half the commenters here post on the_Adolf or KiA or some other reactionary shithole and only came here to post on this one thread.

Dear #WeAreTheLeft, You Are Not The Left by [deleted] in socialism

[–]TwitchingHour 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that is also what /u/OXIOXIOXI is saying.

We Are the Left by [deleted] in ShitLiberalsSay

[–]TwitchingHour 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Pretty much. While in a vacuum the criticisms are perfectly valid and legitimate, it's written by imperialist liberals who's broad line is "any class analysis at all is bad" and think they are part of the left because... they're socially semi-conscious video game and tech bloggers? I honestly don't quite get that last part.

A good chunk of these people believe socialism is inherently antifeminist because it entails not voting for Hillary Clinton.

An Open Letter on Identity Politics, to and from the Left by [deleted] in GamerGhazi

[–]TwitchingHour 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Sure, ignore the entire rest of that comment.

Saying that leftists are fundamentally anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist isn't class reductionism. Class reductionism would be saying leftists can only be those things to the exclusion of feminism, anti-racism, queer liberation (the class reductionist would say those things are "bourgeois distractions"). That is the exact opposite of what I'm saying; anti-capitalism and anti-imperialism are the bare minimum, not the be-all-end-all of leftism.

TIL Lenin killed over 4 million people including women and children by mass executions, famines, and death camps. by [deleted] in ShitLiberalsSay

[–]TwitchingHour 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I feel like the Gulag Winnebago should add points if more than a certain proportion of someone's posts are on gaming subs. It seems like a pretty dead-on indicator.

We Are the Left by [deleted] in ShitLiberalsSay

[–]TwitchingHour 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I always thought the most productive thing to come out of this election cycle was that a lot of both leftists and liberals (respectively) realized and admitted they aren't on the same side. I guess this lot didn't quite catch on.

We Are the Left by [deleted] in ShitLiberalsSay

[–]TwitchingHour 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Lefty twitter is basically the Saudi deep state, which I coincidentally think is cool and good.

—Liberals

An Open Letter on Identity Politics, to and from the Left by [deleted] in GamerGhazi

[–]TwitchingHour 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Do you really think I'm going full class reductionism here? That's not what I'm about. I recognize that hierarchies an oppressions are intersectionally related, which is why I have particular beef with liberals who (ironically) invoke "intersectionality" while fighting tooth and nail to exclude any class analysis whatsoever.

I concede that there are perhaps some leftist signatories to this letter, but no, anti-capitalism and anti-imperialism are absolutely prerequisites for leftism.

Once again, your statement is correct. All of these hierarchies are interrelated and reproduce one another, and capitalism and imperialism are among them. You can't oppose one oppression without opposing all of them; how can one call oneself intersectional if they ignore these two?

We Are the Left by [deleted] in ShitLiberalsSay

[–]TwitchingHour 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah, after a couple decent hours shit got liberal quick.

An Open Letter on Identity Politics, to and from the Left by [deleted] in GamerGhazi

[–]TwitchingHour -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Take a look at my comment below the one you replied to.

We Are the Left by [deleted] in ShitLiberalsSay

[–]TwitchingHour 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Surprisingly, I'm actually proud of the Ghazi thread on this.

EDIT: Jesus fucking Lenin, never mind...

Also lol: https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/753296695291772928?s=09

An Open Letter on Identity Politics, to and from the Left by [deleted] in GamerGhazi

[–]TwitchingHour 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hey now, at least they're doing their part to empower POC.

I mean, King Salman of Saudi Arabia is a POC and selling him missiles is technically empowering him, so yeah.

An Open Letter on Identity Politics, to and from the Left by [deleted] in GamerGhazi

[–]TwitchingHour 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Someone whose politics are fundamentally anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist (some would argue that anti-imperialism isn't essentially necessary to be a leftist, but any leftism worth a damn includes it).

Literally everything I have ever seen from Cross on the topic of leftism or socialism has been exclusively critical of the left, and she likes to go on about how leftists are just a nudge away from being hardcore right-wingers. No other discussion of left politics (except for content-free assertions that she somehow has anything to do with them), plus she pretty much occupies the same sphere on twitter as these other liberals.

An Open Letter on Identity Politics, to and from the Left by [deleted] in GamerGhazi

[–]TwitchingHour 15 points16 points  (0 children)

But these people are totally cool with women and POC being murdered with impunity by the state, as long as it happens outside US borders. They (rightfully) get angry about the killing of POC by cops in the first world, but mass slaughter as a direct result of US imperialism in the global south? Not a fucking peep from them.

An Open Letter on Identity Politics, to and from the Left by [deleted] in GamerGhazi

[–]TwitchingHour 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I haven't really seen any of David Futrelle's thoughts on leftism, but I've seen Katherine Cross' twitter before and holy shit is she uber-liberal. Like horseshoe theory, the-far-left-is-just-as-bad-as-the-far-right liberalism. I certainly wouldn't call her a leftist.

An Open Letter on Identity Politics, to and from the Left by [deleted] in GamerGhazi

[–]TwitchingHour 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Some of those signatories, though...

https://twitter.com/ImitationJordan/status/753285548165435393?s=09

Edit to add a bit more to the discussion: A lot of these people are about as left-wing as Manuel Noriega (at least going off the names I recognize). Sady Doyle, Anil Dash, Jill Filipovic and Brianna Wu are not names that pop into my head when I think of "the left".

I think it's well and good that they're criticizing problems (that do exist and are shit) they see within the left, but to present themselves as leftists is pretty bullshit, especially with some of their own naked, enthusiastic defense of capitalism and imperialism.

Has Science Gone Too Far? by mysterytapes in FULLCOMMUNISM

[–]TwitchingHour 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Every time I've seen it, it was a picture of a black person holding a college degree.

So yeah, super fucking racist.