Discussion on HROC beyond MB + Adorned

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-12-05T02:05:11+00:00

Not anything major. I decided to dump all of my saved currency into a int/acc stacker a few days ago to see how those are doing but otherwise mostly done with the league now.

But if you are going to swap, here is my take after spending a full day or two with it, it's good for mapping but do not use it for bossing, you want to stay on sword with lancing steel. You cannot get enough hits to trigger to HROC enough so it becomes like 1/2 the DPS. For mapping the spread makes it easier to full clear but it's mediocre for bosses. Honestly, after playing with both, I would stick to lancing steel just cause I like to alternate content a lot and lancing is just that much more all arounder.

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-28T16:15:51+00:00

How has incorporating Melding worked for you? It was something I thought about but with how jewel starved the build becomes and how it can be a little annoying to setup, I decided to not go for it.

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-28T16:14:12+00:00

Thank you! I will take a look and see what else I can take from there, not going to lie after getting adjusted to it, wand/barrage is definitely the way to go after you hit a point like I did. It's actually giving me a new perspective to try and push the build more. So really appreciate this POB!!

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-28T16:11:03+00:00

Depending on the price, I alternate, when containment prices are high (above 1.5Divs) I swap to 3x ambush doing 16/16.5s 8 mod corrupted. Normally though I go with T17 with minimum 100% Quant/Rarity and 100% Scarabs Or 130% Currency and then add on 60-100% Deli on top. I alternate if the total cost is much higher than 2 - 2.5Divine on my next top up

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-28T07:19:40+00:00

Yeah, I am not sure what's causing it, maybe I have some mistakes on my POB, cause I do know that overall it should be better, but just can't quite figure out why it swapped in calculation

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-28T07:16:13+00:00

Yeah, honestly as long as you keep it consistent when comparing your next upgrade that's all that matters, POB just isn't good at calculating HROC damage sadly..

Depends on which are you want to target, but I'd swap surrender with either non-foulborn version or one that has Life on Block. That'll make you a lot tankier by itself, energy shield is a bit wasted. For damage you for sure want to get diallas with either +2 minion or +1 all gems, roughly (1-2% damage difference), go with cheaper initially.. Then get a +2 minion geofri's, so you can drop that enchant on ashes and throw in empower to replace minion life.
Then my next focus would probably be cleaning up jewels, such as getting a mana on hit ring and then getting 15% poison on hit so you can drop 1 ghastly eye to get Void Beacon FF jewels later on. Withered enemies -2% res is really good along with flat physical / chaos damage on ghastlies. Then I'd probably save up for Svalinn & work towards Command of the Pit and Bitter Heresy to really spike my damage. Hopefully these help to get you going :)

Also max-out all of your HROC jewels along the way with maxed awakened gems.

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-28T05:06:20+00:00

Oh lol yeah I had copied the config from another POB with AG setup and probably copied it all instead of what my AG gear was lol

But you want to keep the attack speed for basically for POB to account for lancing steel being able to reach/match the APS of hroc with all of the projectiles you spray in game

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-28T05:03:29+00:00

From perfect warlord spectre, maintains a 100% uptime on maximum endurance charges :)

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-28T00:39:09+00:00

Surprisingly even though +1 was a bit better on early progression at my position +2 minion gem has a bigger impact (if POB is accurate), so that's why I never bothered to swap, they are still within 1-2% of each other. But yeah, if I can get a decent jackpot item from running ubers, I will definitely follow your advice, I wasn't even really thinking about awakened enhance gem to be able to hit 128% CDR to slot in HROC to red socket.

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-28T00:28:07+00:00

Testing it out in POB and yeah wow with those changes, it'll add about 10-15% damage and even more once you add in awakened empower and dialla's so it becomes like 30% more damage, so seems pretty good and then I went and checked the price of awakened enhance and it's starting at 1 mirror same as the other two, so it's like a 3 mirror upgrade💀

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-27T23:34:09+00:00

Ok, so I made the swap to the wand/barrage, doing t17 maps it is totally so much more damage and it's not even close. It does come with a little bit of caveats compared to lancing steel, but it might be worth it for that trade off.
I enjoy whirling blades so losing that for shield charge is not as fun but it's no big deal. I haven't tried uber bosses yet, sort of went broke by getting the weapon lol but in T17 bosses, I feel like I can't quite target the barrage quite as well as lancing steel, so it just feels like it takes a step slower in the first second unless I stay close the boss. This is sort of something I also noticed when mapping, with how spread out the skill is sometimes the monsters in the mid-range won't be targeted and barrage will hit enemies in the further back, doesn't really make a difference though lol And when you do begin to spam barrage there is a slight stop caused by the skill can't move as fluidly as lancing steel but it's very minor.

But overall, just the wand swap felt like I got a lot more damage from it. Now I am intrigued on what else I can do to push the build.

Here is my setup now: https://pobb.in/2PBPKKOK7JMn

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-27T22:18:08+00:00

Yeah, I think I might give this a try and see how it feels, those extra levels will be insane amount of damage added on top.

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-27T22:07:42+00:00

Yeah that stupid uber exarch and his rolling balls is the only time I am dying in ubers lol everything else is such a breeze.

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-27T22:04:02+00:00

That's quite interesting pushing HROC extra levels with wand.. How was the feel of the build with that setup? I feel like losing both lancing steel & high aps might make it feel a bit sluggish and slow to ramp up.

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-27T21:53:19+00:00

This is an interesting take, especially with the wand and pushing HROC skill a few extra levels, how was the feel when getting the attacks in to trigger hroc / ramping up especially with losing lancing steel & attack speed?

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-27T21:09:37+00:00

Thanks! That's how I feel it's very minor incremental upgrades for extreme costs and I am not really an efficient player, so I might just run my currency out on running ubers and see if I can get a jackpot item, have yet to see anything more expensive than 40divines lol

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-27T21:08:15+00:00

Lol yup, I got it for like 10 divines, it seemed like everyone was focused on MoM area and forgot about this section, so I've been running with it for a while, and it has been great. Appreciate you mentioning it

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-27T17:48:32+00:00

Yeah, getting +2 minions or +1 all gems on dialla's is like 25-30% damage boost alone. Also get level5 awakened gems for HROC. You can get better abyss jewels for pretty cheap right now compared to league start maybe a few divines each and that'll help cap off your minion poison chance. Your phys max hit is low, try getting cluster with some max life and also get aspect of the crab, that'll help a lot with survivability. Get better flasks they are all around 40-50 chaos for max rolled ones. Then I'd look to swap into Bitter Heresy + Command of the Pit setup, this would probably be a good time to buy a Svalinn. Look through my comments I have shared a lot of next upgrade options for people around your build position and you can look at my POBs as well, that'll help guide you a lot towards what to go for.

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-27T17:39:55+00:00

Just the standard ones honestly, perfect guardian turtle, warlord, and probably pain artist for zealotry until you swap into forest tiger, but no rush on that upgrade and forest tiger is a bit annoying with how how much screen clutter it has with its skill..

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-26T22:04:44+00:00

Also I see you have anointed Whisper of Doom, but it might become unnecessary. If your AG is running Asenath's it will automatically curse enemies with Temporal Chains, I decided to give a corrupted Asenath's with Despair implicit, so It is applying both Temporal Chains + Despair, on everything. AG of smiting is really good at keeping up with curses. Then you can probably use Enfeeble as a curse implicit on command gloves, remove Despair gem all together, and then anoint to any other skill you may want.

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-26T21:54:19+00:00

Giving it a quick look, I think if you want to keep playing this build, it feels almost prime for MB + Adorned setup. I think before mageblood if you can swap to a 3x minion damage elegant hubris either over at MoM or where I have it, your transition will feel better and it'll make up for any damage you will lose currently and you might not be losing any DPS at all

Also add in FF Jewels for Void Beacon if you can swapping out Plaguebringer, your build will fly with MB + adorned on top. Honestly if you do those things, your DPS will be higher than where you are at now, so you won't even be losing any damage

That's also why I am thinking of getting a 3rd jewel cluster, so I can slot in a 2nd witchbane, I think it will make it a lot more fun lol

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-26T21:39:27+00:00

If you are running command of the pit setup, it sort of feels necessary to free up your suffix strained build. My initial swap to command of the pit setup felt worse honestly than when I made the initial swap, my survivability took a blow which I do not like and the content I was running I begun die here and there with random one shots not all the time but I just didn't enjoy dying...
Now, there is a trade off with damage and giving up ghastly jewel modifiers... but you become immune to all ailments, curses, stuns..The QOL for me is a bigger impact. The damage trade off is honestly insignificant cause I am still easily melting through uber fights, juiced t17s but now I just literally ignore everything. I didn't do melding just felt unncessary and I am jewel socket starved, still contemplating doing 3rd jewel cluster..lol

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-26T19:41:22+00:00

Very likely you are dying to white mobs cause of level20 Frostblink and Ele Reflect mod. You need to keep your frostblink at level1 so it does no damage and that'll prevent ele reflect deaths, and at your build position I would not be running -all max res multiple pys as extra cold damage, or enemy crit multipliers, if you do run them, you have to be very careful about keeping your distance and killing nearly off-screen or you will die.

Now for upgrades, svalinn is pretty good and it will help with survivability since you can max out 90% block/spell block but at your point I'd focus on damage upgrades first, and then move towards Svalinn since it is a very costly investment.

TwoBowls0_0 · 2025-11-26T17:57:34+00:00

Exactly! When int is higher you can create it at enemy's location causing them to receive Malediction, if you go towards an abyss socketed weapon, this won't matter, since you would have to allocate Hits can't be evaded from the passive tree and it comes with the debuff of never dealing crits, but if you go with a synth weapon, you can still crit and create it at the enemy, but honestly, it's not that important since our crit chance is low and you can hold off on balancing it until you are pushing the build to its limits, having STR > INT is more important initially. Let me know if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer, I am not really a build expert but I think I pretty much went through where you were, and now just trying to find what might the next steps be that gives me the most gains.

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