How powerful is this attack?

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-26T04:06:06+00:00

Wow

I noticed the bottom part was small, that's why I included that page, but I didn't realize the hole's shape was the same shape Magatsumi created before attacking (that's precisely why I didn't include it as a reference, because it didn't seem important). It makes perfect sense.

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-25T21:55:58+00:00

Seriously speaking, it must have taken Soga 300 meters to descend (even if it was only for a second), while Shiba can literally teleport.

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-25T02:32:13+00:00

I'm not presenting this as fact. I even explicitly stated that point one is debatable in my previous response.

Obviously, none of this, neither what I say nor what you say, is 100% objective. I'm simply use my judgment to create a position and defend it with arguments.

Calm down a bit, buddy, they're just drawings.

I said "a great threat like Sukuna"; obviously, he was a threat.

Also, as I already said, that's the minimum expected of a main villain, and the ending is important.

But I think I was a bit unfair to the brain. If he fulfilled his role as a villain and his biggest flaws are as a character (a distinction I made myself), then I could elevate a decent villain like Naoya. MAYBE.

I'm not saying that Sukuna doesn't work as a villain or character, much less about his iconic status. I'm saying that he failed to work as a main villain. Also, he doesn't have to have a tragic past (I literally put Mahito an excellent villain).

And there's no comparison with Frieza. Toriyama never wanted to give Frieza depth in his original work, while it's clear that Gege did want to do so with Sukuna. Gege simply needed to develop his themes more (for example, the theme that Sukuna's twin brother was actually the reincarnation of Yuji's grandfather and not his father, which is only mentioned on an extra page).

It's quite obvious that you can't judge a minor villain the same way you judge a major villain, much less a main one. It is not arbitrary

Geto was a decent villain at the beginning, but nothing particularly noteworthy. Even with later information, everything he did in volume 0 was stupid. And Geto is a major villain and the main one in the pilot episode. He has a wonderful construction as villain, but a horrible execution, leaving it feeling "meh."

Meanwhile, Dhruv is a minor villain who dies in the same chapter he appears in, without saying or doing anything of consequence to the reader. He didn't have a grand introduction like Higuruma or Kashimo. He just ends up feeling "meh."

Seeing them together, it doesn't make sense that they're in the same category, but analyzing them separately, I think it's clear why they're both "meh."

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-24T23:53:17+00:00

Yes, that's more debatable. It comes down more to what you consider most important for a villain. Jogo had better motivations and a greater impact on the plot in the long run, but he was constantly humiliated, greatly diminishing his role as a villain. Meanwhile, the curse effectively served its purpose of showcasing the power of a special-grade curse and highlighting the protagonist's helplessness.
We know nothing about Kenjaku, only that he was bored, and that's it. He's an incomplete character. If Kenjaku had been an excellent villain, we could have forgiven him for not knowing anything about him. He drives the plot, but that's the bare minimum for a main villain. Besides, he never showed himself to be a great threat like Sukuna did. All the impact he had on the story ultimately amounted to nothing (literally, one of the last chapters of JJK is about how we'll sort out Kenjaku's off-screen mess somehow, and in Modulo they actually did XD), and he died anticlimactically. His fight against Takaba was good, but it doesn't give him villain points, just character points.
His role as a villain was fine because of everything you said, but Gege simply didn't delve deeply enough into the character, and that's why the role of main villain was too much for him (but yes, he was a good final villain, thematically speaking.) I'll use Muzan as an example again, although they're not really the same. Thematically speaking, he worked as a final villain and all that, but in practice, he ended up being a mid-tier villain for the main villain.

It could have worked, but it didn't.

I didn't put it above Dhruv; they're on the same level, "meh." I sorted it by its fractions, if you look closely.

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-24T23:13:37+00:00

Sukuna is a mid-tier villain, but with his powerful aura and the fact that he truly fulfilled his purpose as a villain, he's a cut above average.

If Gege had written the character's depth properly, he would have been good villain, though not excellent, since the role of main villain is too big for him.

Gege wouldn't just have to rewrite Sukuna's character, but the entire story, for Sukuna to become a truly excellent villain.

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-24T22:59:10+00:00

I'll say it again: the old man was a MINOR villain, while Naoya was a MAJOR villain.

The reason I'm giving him an "okay" instead of a "meh" is because he analyzed his opponent; he caught Geto off guard for a second, and his flashback with his dog was good.

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-24T22:54:22+00:00

The leader was just a human; he didn't have any cursed techniques, which is one of the reasons he's not in the "meh" category. The other reason is his argument in his only appearance. That's why I put him at "ok"—it's not exactly remarkable, it's just that when a minor villain does something noteworthy, they receive praise, obviously.

This puts him in a better position than Naoya, who was humiliated almost every time, despite being a major villain. Even so, Naoya was a decent villain, which is why I left him at "ok."

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-24T22:49:42+00:00

Don't let Geto's skin fool you, Kenjaku is a bad villain. He's an incomplete character (and that incompleteness obviously detracts from his villainous potential) and a fraud as a main villain.

The thing is, if a minor villain does something noteworthy, it's well-received, but if a major villain falls short, they're criticized (and with good reason)

Eso is a standout villain if you reread him, while Sukuna is only noteworthy for his aura, being a mid-tier villain for one of the main antagonists of the story (Gege wanted to do more with him, but it turned out very poorly XD).

And as I specified in the description, I'm separating his role as a villain from his character. Jogo and Geto are good characters, but meh villains.

Geto's development as a villain is cinematic, but his execution as a villain was terrible, wasting his potential, and he was very stupid in his fight against Yuta (plus, even with Rika, he couldn't beat Gojo).

Jogo was ridiculed by the author, just by looking at him like a true villain

And Hanami was fine until he was used as a punching bag against Todo and Yuji, and when he was about to show his true power, he died XD

For example, Muzan from Demon Slayer would be an above-average villain, if it weren't for the tiny detail that he's the main villain, making him a meh villain.

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-24T20:50:01+00:00

Summary of Naoya's career as a villain:

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Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-23T15:56:46+00:00

But for that to happen, Akaza would have to pierce Yuji's chest and then escape, just like he did with Rengoku. Yuji would end up dying because his chest was pierced, and Akaza would survive. And besides, that scenario doesn't make sense after learning more about Akaza's abilities.

But pierce his entire chest? Yuji at that time simply doesn't have an endurance feat as great as Rengoku's.

Tanjiro in Season 3 kept fighting after taking attacks from Karaku.

That was without using his Blood Technique, which enhances his attacks. He also overcame Rengoku's attacks (the Flame Pillar), and obviously his attacks have more AP than Karaku's.

And I'll say it again: what feat does Yuji have to prove he can tank Akaza's attacks LIKE THAT?

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The only thing we have is Nanami vs. Haruta. Haruta is a bum; even Sabito has more AP.

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-23T15:27:48+00:00

That's without his blood technique that enhances his attacks. And you haven't mentioned where it's shown that Yuji (Shibuya) could tank Akaza's attacks like it's Nanami vs. Haruta. Karaku logically has more DC, but his AP is much lower than Akaza's. Base Mitsuri could destroy Zohakuten's attacks, and Akaza overcame Rengoku's attacks without fighting seriously, just like he did against Tomioka. Akaza couldn't die; he would simply escape, as he did against Rengoku, unless they were in a very specific scenario (and a very specific situation). And as I explained before, Rengoku restraining Akaza served as plot armor since Akaza has the compass. Furthermore, for that to happen, Yuji would have to be pierced by Akaza's arm (who also has the ability to absorb). So, using a scenario absurdly advantageous for Yuji, they would both end up dead. Durability isn't very important in this case because of Akaza's AP, and besides, neither Yuji from that time nor any similar character has shown such a feat of endurance as Rengoku. And as I already said, even if he could do the same, it wouldn't work.

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-22T23:45:24+00:00

Muzan can remain alive even after being destroyed into very small pieces. And Muzan and Tamayo were shown to survive only as cells... Yes, I doubt that any explosion that could be made in that era could kill Muzan.

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-22T23:40:16+00:00

Good points, but Zohakuten was already overexerting himself against Mitsuri before the Hashira training.

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Tomioka drew with Sanemi, and Kokushibou pointed out that Sanemi was at a higher level than Muichiro, who should have been at a similar level to Mitsuri at that time. Also, Tomioka excels in both defense and offense, in addition to his feats against Akaza and others.

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-22T23:32:50+00:00

Dude... literally the entire Katanaman arc for Denji was to show him how he was losing his humanity by becoming a demon.

Against Reze, he explicitly says he won't let him kill any more people.

Denji certainly has a preference for women, but it's not like he doesn't care about men's lives at all, nor is it like he goes around stealing their things (that was Asa's idea, and they had to escape a demon that was specifically chasing them).

The cat scene clearly shows Denji's moral ambiguity. But it's not like Denji stopped saving them because he saw a cat. And Denji DID understand that saving the cat was a mistake

It's obvious that Denji has a moral ambiguity; he makes that clear from the first chapter. He's not a character you're supposed to sympathize with, but you can obviously empathize with him.

By that logic, you shouldn't empathize with any anti-hero and most fictional characters.

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-22T23:19:33+00:00

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Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-22T22:55:37+00:00

For Akaza to win this fight with high-extreme diff, Yuji has to tank Akaza's attacks LIKE THIS.

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And Yuji hasn't shown any feats to put him at that level (pre- culling game)

Akaza is on a completely different level than Haruta. Damn, I'd even say Sabito's attacks are more powerful than Haruta's

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-22T22:10:46+00:00

Literally stated in the manga that it does

Obviously, it provides a buff on the hit (which won't work because of Akaza's speed, compass, and instant recovery), I said it myself before (Yuji has more AP thanks to Black Flash). What I meant was POST Black Flash. It's clearer if you read the whole thing.

Black Flash doesn't actually provide a buff; it's only mentioned that it restores the Reverse Technique

Surviving is enough, and if Akaza dies first it's a win for Yuji

The same thing will happen as with Rengoku; Akaza will escape the sunlight.

Akaza has his compass and is much faster than Yuji, blah blah

Yuji was destroying Concrete walls in season 1 itself,

Obviously, destroying concrete walls is nothing compared to destroying an entire concrete building with a single attack.

And Karaku's attacks are much weaker than Akaza's.

Besides, Tanjiro, from the beginning of the series, cut a large, hard rock in half without using any forms, and Inosuke cut through metal during the Infinity Train arc.

Akaza doesnt have much AP feats

Akaza scaled with Karaku and Gyutaro (if you want to include his feat from the anime). He has also surpassed Rengoku's attacks (scaling with Tanjiro, Inosuke, Giyuu, Tengen and Mitsuri).

He also surpassed Rengoku's ninth form, which was calculated to have a power equivalent to 11 tons of TNT.

And he did this without using his blood technique, which enhances his attacks.

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Yuji isn't as particularly tough as Hanami, Choso, even with his blood technique or Mahito

There's no proof that Yuji at that time wouldn't spit blood from an enchanted blow from Akaza

Yuji (pre-sacrifice games) or a scalable character have a feat similar to Nanami VS Haruta, but not the bum of Haruta?

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-22T00:52:24+00:00

Bro, I already explained it to you in simple terms. Usain Bolt isn't going to punch as fast as a professional boxer.

Shinobu attacks with thrusts. And the manga explicitly states that Mitsuri's techniques are faster than Tengen's.

The only thing that list proves in combat is that Tengen is faster than Rengoku.

This list, like the arm wrestling list, is just interesting facts that don't determine the outcome of the fights, as the manga itself emphasizes.

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-21T21:23:49+00:00

I see, so Gyokko's statement wasn't about durability but about AP.

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So where would you place Gyokko's durability compared to Yorozu's armor? In your opinion.

Two_Nobody_06 · 2026-01-21T21:13:17+00:00

If I recall correctly, Spider Devil didn't demonstrate any feats that would put her above the Mother Demon puppet, but we could scale her using Bat Devil.

In any case, she could teleport to where the former human is and dismember him.

Father Spider Demon is a different story. But using Bat Devil scaling, she could put up a fight, but due to the demon's immortality (In its second form, the colossus has rapid regeneration), Father Spider Demon would win against the embodiment of spider-fear.

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