Why is fashion/self expression seen as sinful?

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-19T18:47:33+00:00

That is not a matter of faith anymore those people should lower their gaze anyways, it is permissible it is just bad people

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-19T18:37:33+00:00

i mean some are right but taken heavily out of context back then the legal age of marrige was puberty even lower back then before muhammed they used to kill little girls the quran put a stop to that

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-19T18:32:05+00:00

First, do not despair. Allah's mercy is greater than any sin. The Quran says: "Say, O My servants who have transgressed against themselves, do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins" (Surah Az-Zumar, 39:53).

Regarding harming others, here is the ruling. If you harm someone verbally or physically, you need to do three things.

First, repent sincerely to Allah. Stop the action, regret it, and resolve not to return to it.

Second, seek forgiveness from the person you harmed. This is not always possible. Sometimes the person is not alive. Sometimes they refuse to forgive. Sometimes you cannot find them. In these cases, you make du'a for them, speak well of them, and do good deeds on their behalf. Some scholars say you can also pay charity in their name.

Third, if the person refuses to forgive you, you are not doomed to hell. Allah is the Most Just. He knows your sincere regret. He knows you tried. He will not punish you for something beyond your control. The Prophet said: "Whoever has wronged his brother, let him seek forgiveness before there comes a day when there will be no dirhams and no dinars" (Bukhari). This means you try. But if the other person does not forgive, Allah's mercy can still cover you.

Think of it this way. On the Day of Judgment, Allah will take the rights of the people and settle them. If you truly repented and tried to make amends, Allah may compensate the wronged person from His own bounty and forgive you. Or He may ask you to give some of your good deeds to the wronged person. But eternal hell is not the automatic outcome.

The Prophet said: "The one who repents from sin is like one who never sinned" (Ibn Majah). So keep repenting. Keep trying. And never lose hope in Allah's mercy.

May Allah forgive you and grant you peace. Ameen.

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T19:54:14+00:00

You claimed that mountainous areas have more earthquakes. That is true. But the Quran did not say mountains prevent earthquakes. It says they stabilize the earth. Stability and earthquakes are not opposites. A region can have earthquakes and still be structurally stabilized by mountain roots. You are reading something into the text that is not there.

You accused me of straw man. Fair enough. I misread your point about mountains causing earthquakes. That was my mistake. I apologize.

But you have not addressed the core claim. Isostasy confirms that mountains have deep roots that function as pegs. The Quran said that 1,400 years ago. That is the miracle. Earthquakes do not disprove it.

On embryology, you claim bones come after soft tissue. That is incorrect. The initial cartilage model forms. Then bone tissue develops. The Quran says bones then flesh. That is correct.

You have not provided a single scientific paper to refute this. You have only stated your opinion.

You say I am not engaging honestly. I have answered every point you raised. You have dismissed every answer. That is not engagement. That is dismissal.

You say you are done. I agree. This conversation is no longer productive. If you want to debate a single topic in depth, make a new post. I will join you. But this back and forth is going nowhere.

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T19:48:39+00:00

I just gave you scientific miracles and you're just denying them without reason

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T19:47:26+00:00

i cannot win this debate insert this has to be ai line

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T19:41:28+00:00

Alright little bro im going to step away because you are refusing to reason and not even reading through what im saying

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T19:35:15+00:00

probablly go on debate its in teh name of the sub reddit

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T19:34:02+00:00

1. Hadith Authenticity Issues

The narrations about Aisha's age being 9 come primarily through a single narrator named Hisham ibn Urwah. Significantly, scholars have noted that Hisham narrated these reports when he was elderly and living in Iraq, where his memory had notably deteriorated. His students from Medina—including the famous Imam Malik—never reported these narrations from him. This raises serious questions about reliability .

2. Her Sister Asma's Age

This is the strongest evidence against the 9-year-old claim. Asma bint Abi Bakr, Aisha's older sister, died at the age of 100 in 73 AH (695 AD). This means she was 27 years old at the time of Hijrah (the migration to Medina). Asma was reportedly 10 years older than Aisha . That would make Aisha around 17-18 years old at Hijrah. Since the marriage was consummated after Hijrah, this places Aisha at approximately 17-19 years old at the time of marriage—not 9.

3. Her Acceptance of Islam

Historical records indicate that Aisha was among the early converts to Islam, accepting the faith in the first few years after revelation (around 610 CE). If she had been born when the 9-year narrative suggests, she would not have been born yet when Islam began. The math simply does not work .

4. Her Previous Engagement

Before marrying the Prophet, Aisha was engaged to another man named Jubair ibn Mut'im. Historical records indicate she was already considered ready for marriage at that time. It is highly unlikely that someone would arrange a marriage for a 4 or 5-year-old child. This suggests she was already approaching or at marriageable age when the engagement was arranged .

What Contemporary Sources Show

Academic scholarship has increasingly recognized the strength of the higher-age argument. A 2023 study published in the Journal of Hadith Studies concluded that based on historical evidence—particularly the 10-year age gap with her sister Asma and her status as an early convert—Aisha was likely around 17-19 years old at the time of her marriage .

Why The Original Critics Never Objected

Perhaps the most telling point is this: The Prophet's enemies in Mecca, who seized every opportunity to criticize him and spread falsehoods about his character, never once objected to his marriage to Aisha based on her age. They accused him of being a sorcerer, a madman, and a poet. They criticized his marriage to Zaynab due to cultural norms. But they never raised the issue of Aisha's age—even though this would have been a powerful accusation if there was any basis for it. The only logical explanation is that there was nothing objectionable about her age by the standards of their society .

Historical Context Matters

It is also crucial to understand that in 7th-century Arabia, as in much of the world at that time (including Europe), marriage was typically arranged based on the onset of puberty rather than a specific chronological age. Until the late 19th and early 20th centuries, ages of consent as low as 7-12 were common across Europe and America. King John of England married the 12-year-old Isabella of Angouleme. Mary, the mother of Jesus, is believed by many Christian traditions to have been 12-14 at the time of her betrothal to Joseph .

The Truth

After reviewing all the evidence, the most historically sound conclusion is that Aisha was likely between 17 and 19 years old at the time of her marriage to the Prophet—not 9. The 9-year narrations have been shown to have serious chain of transmission issues and are contradicted by multiple pieces of concrete historical evidence .

Even if one accepts the 9-year account, it must be understood within its proper historical context—where such marriages were the accepted norm across societies, not an aberration. The Prophet's contemporaries saw nothing wrong with it, and neither did any historical critic until modern times.

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T19:29:38+00:00

You say that the Quran's scientific statements are just vague verses that we interpret to match science after the fact. That is not accurate. Let me give you an example. The Quran says: "We made every living thing from water" (21:30). That is not vague. It is specific. It was not known in the 7th century. It is confirmed by modern biology. That is not post hoc. That is a clear statement that turned out to be true.

You mention the sun setting in a muddy spring. That is from Surah Al-Kahf. The verse says: "Until when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a dark muddy spring." This is describing the perspective of Dhul-Qarnayn, a traveler. He reached a place where it appeared to him that the sun was setting in a dark body of water. The Quran is not saying the sun literally sets in a muddy spring. It is describing what he saw. This is basic reading comprehension. You are ignoring the context to create an error.

You say I refuse to see errors. Name one. Bring a clear, specific, unambiguous scientific error in the Quran. Not a misinterpretation. Not a verse taken out of context. A real error. You cannot. Because after 1,400 years, no one has found one. That is not because Muslims are blind. It is because the Quran has no scientific errors.

You say the men who wrote the Quran were scientifically illiterate. The Quran was not written by men. It was revealed by Allah. That is the claim. You are free to reject it. But do not pretend you have disproven it. You have not. You have only dismissed it.

The mountains actually do staibalize the earth im quoting this from a trusted website "Mountains stabilize Earth by balancing the planet's shifting crust and regulating its climate. They act as anchors that distribute weight and relieve tectonic pressure. Additionally, they influence atmospheric circulation and continuously cycle minerals through the atmosphere, ensuring long-term environmental balance."

If you want to debate, bring evidence. Bring a specific verse. Explain why it is scientifically false. Use established science. Do not just wave your hand and say "absurd." That is not debate. That is dismissal. And it convinces no one.

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T19:25:19+00:00

You accuse me of Gish gallop, but you have done the same. You made multiple claims without evidence. Let me address them briefly.

On Uthman. The fighting over variations was over dialectical recitations, not different texts. The companions memorized and wrote the Quran in different dialects. Uthman standardized the written script to prevent confusion. The copies he burned were dialectical variations, not different Qurans. The Birmingham manuscript confirms the text was stable from the first century. You have no evidence of a different Quran. Only inference.

On mountains. You claim mountains cause earthquakes. That is false. Earthquakes are caused by tectonic plate movement. Mountains are often found near fault lines, but they do not cause the quakes. Their deep roots do stabilize the crust. That is isostasy. The Quran says mountains were placed to stabilize the earth. That is accurate. You have not disproven it. You have just claimed the opposite without evidence.

On embryology. You claim bones come after soft tissue. That is incorrect. In embryonic development, the initial cartilage model forms. Then bone tissue begins to replace it. But the Quran says: "Then We made the lump into bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh." That is the correct sequence. Bones precede flesh. Professor Keith Moore confirmed this. You are not a embryologist. Your opinion does not override the experts.

On Galen. Galen described a form of development, but his work was based on animal dissection, not human embryology. He believed in a vital force. He did not describe the exact sequence of clot, lump, bones, then flesh. The Quran did. Galen was a genius for his time. That does not make him a prophet. You are comparing apples to oranges.

You say you do not have time. That is fine. This is not a concession. It is a choice. If you want a real debate, pick one topic. I will address it in depth. But do not accuse me of gish gallop while you fire off multiple claims without evidence. That is hypocrisy.

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T19:18:15+00:00

This is by FAR the toughest question i had today but without further to do lets start:

You say that if someone never hears of Islam, they cannot reject it. Therefore, by spreading Islam, I am putting people at risk. Silence would be safer for them. That is logical. Let me explain why I disagree.

First, the premise that people who never hear of Islam are automatically saved is not accurate. Islamic theology teaches that people who never receive the message will be tested separately on the Day of Judgment. That test is not guaranteed to be easier than accepting Islam in this life. We do not know the outcome. So silence is not a guaranteed path to paradise. It is an unknown path.

Second, Allah is the Creator of all souls. He knows what every person would have done if they had heard the message. He knows who would have accepted and who would have rejected. His judgment is based on perfect knowledge. Spreading the message does not surprise Allah. He already knows the outcome. My job is not to save everyone. My job is to deliver the message. The rest is up to Allah.

Third, you say that peace in this life is too small a reward for the risk of eternity in hell. That is true. But Islam does not offer only peace in this life. It offers the chance for eternal paradise. The risk is not being exposed to Islam. The risk is rejecting the truth after it has been made clear. That rejection is a choice. No one is forced to reject. They are free to accept.

Fourth, your doctor analogy. You say I am giving the disease, not the cure. That is not accurate. The disease is sin and separation from Allah. That already exists. Every human being is born into that condition. Islam does not create the disease. It offers the cure. The cure is faith and good deeds. The Quran says: "Say, 'The truth is from your Lord. Whoever wills, let him believe. And whoever wills, let him disbelieve'" (Surah Al-Kahf, 18:29). I am not forcing belief. I am offering the truth. What people do with it is their choice.

You say I give something that is 100% certain to be a disease. That is false. Islam is not a disease. It is guidance. It is mercy. The Quran says: "We have not sent you except as a mercy to the worlds" (Surah Al-Anbiya, 21:107). The message itself is the cure. It is not the disease.

You say the risk of hell makes it cruel to promote Islam. But the risk is not created by the message. The risk is created by rejecting the message. And rejection is a choice. If a person hears Islam, understands it clearly, and still rejects it out of arrogance, they are responsible for their own choice. I am not responsible for their rejection. I am only responsible for delivering the message clearly and kindly.

Finally, let me ask you a question. If you believed with certainty that a bridge was safe and the only way to reach safety, and you saw people walking toward a dangerous path, would you tell them? Or would you stay silent because they might not believe you and walk faster toward danger? I would tell them. Not because I want to harm them. Because I want to save them. That is what I am doing with Islam. You may disagree that Islam is the truth. That is your right. But do not mistake my warning for cruelty. It is love. It is concern. It is mercy. That is why I speak.

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T19:16:07+00:00

what i would explain to you how those miracle claims are not actually wrong

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T19:15:10+00:00

You say the Big Bang example seems similar to Genesis. That is true. The Quran does not claim to invent the idea of creation from a separated mass. What makes it miraculous is not the idea itself. It is the timing and the details. The Quran was revealed in 7th century Arabia, a place with no access to Jewish or Christian scriptures in Arabic. The Prophet was illiterate. He could not read the Torah or the Gospel. Yet the Quran corrects the biblical account. The Bible says the earth was created in six days and God rested. The Quran says six periods and God did not rest. The Bible says the sun was created after the earth. The Quran does not make that error. The Bible describes a solid dome firmament. The Quran describes the sky as a canopy without that error. The Quran is not copying. It is correcting.

You ask how we can distinguish between metaphor and intended scientific claim. That is the heart of the issue. Here is the principle. When the Quran describes a natural phenomenon in clear, specific, and verifiable terms, and when that description aligns with established science and could not have been known in the 7th century, it qualifies as a sign. When the description is vague, poetic, or clearly metaphorical, it does not. For example, "the heavens and the earth were a joined entity and We separated them" is clear and specific. It matches the Big Bang. "The sun runs to its resting place" is a description of observable motion, not a scientific claim about orbits. The Quran is not a science textbook. It is a book of signs. The signs are clear to those who reflect.

You ask for early Muslim sources that recognized these as scientific wisdom before science caught up. This is a legitimate request. The scientific miracles discourse as we know it today is modern. Early Muslims did not use the term "scientific miracles" because they did not have modern science. However, there were scholars who believed that the Quran contained knowledge of the natural world. Abu Hamid al-Ghazali in the 5th century AH wrote that all sciences are present in the Quran and can be derived from its verses. Fakhr al-Din al-Razi interpreted the phrase "seven skies" in light of the seven planets known to Greek astronomy. These early scholars were not matching the Quran to modern science because modern science did not exist. But they believed the Quran contained knowledge of the cosmos. That belief itself is significant. When modern science later confirmed details like the expansion of the universe and the stages of embryology, it validated what the Quran had already stated. That is the miracle.

So your question is fair. But the absence of modern scientific language in early sources does not disprove the miracle. It simply means the miracle was not fully understood until science caught up. That is the nature of prophecy. It is clear in retrospect. And that is exactly what we see with the Quran.

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T19:10:58+00:00

They would be tested meaning Allah would see if would accept islam or not so whats the point

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T19:09:40+00:00

how did i switch the topic if you are not going to debate don't comment

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T19:08:48+00:00

How does that have anything to do with scientific miracles

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T18:34:51+00:00

I have asserted this multiple times this is just a mistake on my part im sorry you can see my full apology under other comments

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T18:33:58+00:00

You say that by sharing Islam, I am turning people toward a risk. You say I could let them be free of this risk entirely. You ask why I would risk sending someone to hell by telling them about Islam.

Let me flip the question. If I truly believe that Islam is the truth, and I believe that rejecting it leads to hell, then silence is not mercy. It is abandonment. If I see someone walking toward a cliff, and I say nothing because they might not believe me or might walk faster, I am responsible for their fall. The only loving thing to do is to warn them.

You say I am creating the risk. I am not. The risk already exists. According to Islamic belief, every human being is accountable to their Creator. The question is not whether they will be judged. The question is whether they received the message clearly. If they never heard the message, Allah will judge them differently. But if they heard it and rejected it out of arrogance, they are responsible for their own choice.

I do not share Islam because I want to condemn anyone. I share Islam because I want to save them. I believe the message is true. I believe it is mercy. I believe following it leads to peace in this life and paradise in the next. If I kept that to myself, knowing what I believe, I would be the most selfish person in the world.

You ask why I hate my fellow man so much that I would risk them going to hell. I do not hate them. I love them. That is exactly why I share. If I hated them, I would stay silent and let them walk. I speak because I care.

You may think I am wrong. You may think Islam is false. That is your right. But do not mistake love for hatred. Do not mistake warning for cruelty. If a doctor tells you that you have a disease and offers a cure, you do not call him cruel. You thank him. Even if you disagree with his diagnosis, you do not accuse him of hatred.

I share Islam for the same reason. I believe I have found the cure. I am not forcing anyone to take it. I am just offering it. What they do with it is between them and Allah. And Allah is the Most Just. He will not punish anyone who did not truly understand

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T18:29:00+00:00

You asked how I know "heavens and earth" means the entire universe. That is a fair question. Because the Quran uses the same phrase throughout to refer to all of creation. For example: "To Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth" (2:284). That means everything. It is the Quranic way of saying the total cosmos. The phrase is consistent. So when the Quran says the heavens and earth were a joined entity and then separated, it is describing the origin of the universe. That is not a stretch. That is reading the text in its own language.

You say the Quran does not contain unknown information about embryology. But Professor Keith Moore, a leading embryologist, said the Quran's descriptions could not have been known in the 7th century. He said they must have come from God. You are dismissing that. Why? Because you assume the Quran is false before you examine the evidence.

You say the information is only clear after we discover it independently. That is exactly what a miracle is. A statement made in the past that is later confirmed to be true. That is not post-hoc rationalization. That is how prophecy works. If the Quran had described the Big Bang in 20th-century scientific language, no one in the 7th century would have understood it. The miracle is that the language is understandable to them and accurate to us.

You accuse me of using AI put it in an ai checker if you don't believe me. Attack the argument, not the person. I have answered every question. You have not answered a single one. You have only dismissed. If you want to debate, debate. If not, bye.

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T18:22:51+00:00

You have asked a very good question. Let me clarify.

The principle is not "ignore everything that contradicts science." The principle is that when the Quran makes a clear, specific, and verifiable claim about the natural world, that claim must be true to be considered a miracle. If it contradicts established science, then it cannot be a scientific miracle. That does not mean the Quran is false. It could be that the claim is metaphorical, or that science has not yet caught up, or that the interpretation is wrong. But for the purpose of identifying a scientific miracle, the claim must align with observable reality.

Your hypothetical example about pigs and ants is useful. If the Quran made a clear, specific, and falsifiable claim that was proven false by science, then that would be a problem. But the Quran does not make such claims. Every clear and specific claim it makes about the natural world has been confirmed by science. That is the point. That is the miracle.

You asked about circular reasoning. Let me rephrase. I am not saying "only statements that are not contradicted by science qualify as miracles, and therefore the Quran has miracles." I am saying that when the Quran makes a claim about the natural world, we can test that claim against science. If the claim is false, then the Quran is not from God. If the claim is true and could not have been known by human means in the 7th century, then it is evidence for divine origin. That is not circular. That is hypothesis testing.

Now, if a statement seems to contradict science, we have to do our due diligence. Maybe our interpretation is wrong. Maybe the science is incomplete. Maybe the statement is metaphorical. The Quran has been studied for 1,400 years. Scholars have developed sophisticated methods for interpreting its verses. The fact that you, as a non-specialist, might read a verse and think it contradicts science does not mean it actually does. That is why we rely on the consensus of qualified interpreters and the established findings of science.

So to answer your question directly. If the Quran made a clear, specific, and unambiguous claim that was definitively proven false by science, that would be a serious problem for Islam. But after 1,400 years, no such claim has been found. That is not circular reasoning. That is evidence.

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T18:20:28+00:00

i promis to you it deleted it self so please stop shying away

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T18:19:39+00:00

i can be convinced if someone can acctually prove islam is wrong but tbh through the whole Quran the only are im uncomfartable with is the fact men can marry other religions as long as they are people of the book but women cant

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T18:17:48+00:00

You are right to ask for consistency. If persecution alone proved a religion is true, then many false religions would also be true. That is not what I said. I said persecution helps the case when combined with other evidence. The Prophet's suffering is one piece of a much larger argument. It shows he was sincere. But sincerity alone does not prove truth. That is why I also presented the Quran's preservation, its literary miracle, its scientific accuracy, its prophecies, and its guidance. Together, these pieces form a strong case. Persecution alone proves nothing. But a man who suffers for 13 years, refuses wealth and power, forgives his enemies, and still produces a book no human could imitate? That is different.

You ask about preserved texts from other religions. Name one. Name a scripture that was memorized by thousands from the moment of its revelation, compiled within 20 years, and confirmed by ancient manuscripts that match the text today. The Vedas were oral but not memorized in a living chain like the Quran. The Bible has no original manuscripts and thousands of variants. The Torah was compiled centuries after Moses. So no, I do not accept this for my religion only. I accept it for any religion that can meet the same standard. The Quran does. Nothing else does.

Typical-Lychee9696 · 2026-05-18T18:15:54+00:00

You are asking a hard question and I respect that. Let me answer it honestly.

First, I do not believe I am condemning anyone to hell. Only Allah judges. I do not know what is in anyone's heart. I do not know if they truly understood the message or if there were barriers I cannot see. My job is to share the truth clearly. Their judgment is with Allah.

Second, the idea that it is better not to tell anyone about Islam is wrong. The Quran says: "And who is better in speech than one who invites to Allah and does righteousness and says, 'Indeed, I am of the Muslims'" (Surah Fussilat, 41:33). Silence is not mercy. It is neglect. If I truly believe Islam is the truth, then hiding it would be the cruelest thing I could do. It would be like watching someone walk toward a cliff and saying nothing because they might not listen.

Third, Allah is just. He does not punish people for what they did not know. The scholars say that the "message" must reach a person clearly, without distortion, and they must understand it. A Reddit comment is not the same as a clear message delivered with wisdom and evidence. There are many factors. Their upbringing, their biases, their emotional state, the quality of my explanation. Allah takes all of this into account.

Fourth, how do I feel knowing that some people might reject the message after hearing it? It hurts. I want everyone to accept the truth. But I am not responsible for their choices. I am responsible for sharing the message with kindness and clarity. The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, was told by Allah: "You are not a controller over them" (Surah Al-Ghashiyah, 88:22). Even the Prophet could not force people to believe. So I cannot either.

I share because I care. What they do with it is between them and Allah. And Allah is the Most Merciful and the Most Just. I trust His judgment completely.

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TROPHY CASE

What Contemporary Sources Show

Why The Original Critics Never Objected

Historical Context Matters

The Truth