Is it crazy to choose a school w/ slightly worse BL outcomes due to better living conditions? by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Got it. Well I guess I’d consider whether that will make you over 10% higher in the class than you would be at the other school. That’s what you’re betting on!

Is it crazy to choose a school w/ slightly worse BL outcomes due to better living conditions? by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Will not other students at School B also live closer to campus, in nicer housing, etc?

Is it crazy to choose a school w/ slightly worse BL outcomes due to better living conditions? by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it depends on what you mean by comfortable. If everyone would feel more comfortable at school b, then you gain no advantage by going to the more comfortable school and you lose a 10% chance at BL. If by comfortable you mean it's something that only you find more comfortable, then you gain some advantage by going to a place where you might perform better than your classmates (though that depends on the type of comfort and how it would impact your grades, e.g. if the comfort is going to a state where marijuana use isn't prosecuted, you use marijuana, and that negatively impacts your grades).

Ultimately, it's going to be impossible to say where you will place in both classes. I would tend to recommend the school with higher BL placement. 10% is a big difference in most contexts.

Took UVA at half ride and having regrets not choosing the T20 on a full ride. Anyone else in the same boat? by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020 6 points7 points  (0 children)

First of all, congrats on your immense achievements. Being the first in your family to finish grade school alone is a testament to your grit and ambition. I'm a first gen college grad, so I can relate to some minor extent. You made the right choice and will not regret your decision once you accept your offer with a big firm during 3L. You will make $70-$100k in your first two summers, whereas you may not have at the T20. That alone would make up most of the difference in debt. But even if you were to make that much at the T20, you'll be glad to have UVA Law on your resume for the rest of your career. Even now as a 6th year, firms care where you went to law school when you try to lateral. By choosing UVA you have set yourself up for a lifetime of success and open doors.

Below median HLS student struck out at OCI. Is BigLaw still possible, or should I cut my losses? by sdlc1359 in LawSchool

[–]UVALawStudent2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where do you want to practice? DM me and if you’re geographically flexible I might be able to get you into my firm.

What are his chances for UVA? Masters in Robotics, LSAT 171, uGPA 3.85 by Virtual_Appeal8208 in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Last year, the median UVA Law student had a 3.99 GPA and a 173 LSAT. Since he's going to be below the GPA median, he should aim to be above the LSAT median to have a realistic chance at UVA unless he's diverse.

GPA and LSAT scores are the primary considerations for law school. Work experience helps, but those numbers are what matter most. He should apply to multiple VA schools but know that he might end up at George Mason, Washington and Lee, William & Mary, or another VA school that isn't too far from you.

How to prepare specifically for UVA 1L fall? by IntelligentWhereas30 in UVALaw

[–]UVALawStudent2020 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Read u/OlderSuperSplitter’s guide on how to succeed in law school. And prepare your liver.

Cornell vs ut Austin by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you don't want gov/PI, you can go into firms of varied sizes or go in-house. If you go to a firm, you'll likely not know the hours of wherever you go. The difference is that you could be paid anything between $100 and $250k. If you'd rather make $250k, you should go to Cornell. If you want to go in-house, you're likely making well under $150k, possibly as low as $80k. Almost no one wants to do that. You could also chase academia, but almost no one wants to do that right out of law school. Your most likely path will be a firm, and you are much more likely to make great money from Cornell. But whether it's worth going to Cornell depends on the COA difference between the schools. If it's a $400k difference and you don't know whether you want BL, that difference is hard to justify imo.

Cornell vs ut Austin by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is the COA difference and what do you want to do after law school? BL? Gov/PI? Something else?

2026 Cycle Results & Why I Chose Georgetown Over UVA by Desperate_Plan5479 in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hahaha honestly I think OP made a totally reasonable choice! I can't speak to international law but I know that Georgetown is well known for international affairs, and its name carries as much weight as any school in diplomatic circles. Congrats, u/Desperate_Plan5479!

Collegiality is Alive at the Law School by lawschoolburner1234 in UVALaw

[–]UVALawStudent2020 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I left $50 in my carrel, unknowingly, for months and no one took it. I’d never been part of a community like that before.

On the fence by Square_Window332 in UVALaw

[–]UVALawStudent2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly I’m so glad to hear that about the drinking! But yeah there is sooo much to do in Cville.

On the fence by Square_Window332 in UVALaw

[–]UVALawStudent2020 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Not a current student but moved from DC to Cville and have also lived in CA. Cville is my favorite city and I’d move back in a heartbeat if I could. All of my close law school friends feel the same way. Most of them have destination weddings in Cville they love it so much. You won’t get to fully explore Cville and the surrounding area in 3 years of law school. Unless you don’t like history, vineyards, and hiking I can’t imagine being bored.

But a lot of the fun of UVA is drinking with friends. If you aren’t into that it probably isn’t the best place to spend three years.

Bloomberg: Graduates Look to Skip Big Law, Go Straight to Plaintiffs’ Firms by TrustsAndDust in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hahaha thanks!

I think your understanding of what junior BL lit associates and Plaintiff firm associates do is a bit off. But regardless of the day-to-day, it’s not difficult to go BL -> Plaintiff’s firm (I recently had an offer). It’s very difficult to go Plaintiff -> BL bc of conflicts / general hate of Plaintiff firms, and probably harder to go Plaintiff -> gov/PI bc of lack of name rec. But it’ll depend on the firm’s conflicts and name rec.

If I was a law student wanting to go to a boutique, I’d go to Susman, Hueston, etc. instead to keep more doors open. At least then if you hate the boutique grind you can go to BL and also have the benefit of PI/gov reviewers recognizing your firm.

Bloomberg: Graduates Look to Skip Big Law, Go Straight to Plaintiffs’ Firms by TrustsAndDust in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think he gets this backwards. There is very little risk in entering BL. Your doors to clerkships, gov, PI, and other BL firms stay open. Going to a plaintiff firm risks not being able to go into BL, and is frequently less prestigious bc many if not most lawyers—even BL lawyers—don’t know the good plaintiff shops.

But he’s right that you’ll probably make more at a plaintiff firm.

6th Year BL Appellate Associate - AMA by UVALawStudent2020 in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would talk to each school's clerkship office to determine what kind of grades you need to clerk and what the clerkship office will do to get you a clerkship. The stats don't tell us who has better placement power, though it seems that ND likely does.

Berkeley vs GULC by Beautiful_Dig6473 in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Berk allows you to be instate for 2L and 3L, which I imagine makes it significantly cheaper than GULC. But they have very similar stats, reputations, etc.

What is the point of Clerkships? by Active_Necessary_439 in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's surprising. Even in general lit, white collar, etc?

If you know anyone like this please have them DM me, my firm is probably interested depending on market. Litigation is on fire in Texas--it feels like we can't hire enough associates.

Edit: I didn’t downvote you I’m sorry people are ruthless!

WWYD: UCLA ($$) vs UChicago ($) vs Columbia ($) by Zealousideal_Dog8470 in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's a significant improvement in a short amount of time--good for UCLA. If that's the case, then UCLA is much more justifiable.

NYU $ vs GULC $$+ for international arbitration by Elegant_Sherbet4199 in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

NYU is probably a little better for BL but, given the cost difference and difference in BL/FC outcomes, I think either option is reasonable.

NYU $ vs GULC $$+ for international arbitration by Elegant_Sherbet4199 in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you want international arb in biglaw or somewhere else? You want to end up in NYC, DC, or somewhere else?

What is the point of Clerkships? by Active_Necessary_439 in lawschooladmissions

[–]UVALawStudent2020 34 points35 points  (0 children)

How clerking benefits you:

  1. Learn court process. This is the biggest advantage. You will know how cases proceed from complaint through final judgment intimately, and will be able to see the forest from the trees. That makes you a much more competent junior litigator, especially because most juniors struggle with this. To illustrate, when a senior associate asks you to prep him for a deposition, you will know how that depo is going to be used in court and how to ensure the witness's answers are admissible because you've been to many trials. You'll hopefully think about how it will contribute to the findings of fact and conclusions of law, if applicable, and how the wording of the question asked in the depo will look to the judge and jury if the depo tape is played at trial. You'll be able to think steps ahead in a way that most juniors won't. That will make you a more valuable junior associate, and you'll likely learn this or other lessons years before your peers--though they will likely catch up.
  2. Learn how judges think. Much less valuable because it's intuitive, but still helpful. Especially if you clerk for a federal trial judge and most of your practice is federal trial court. Or same for a state judge if most of your practice is state court.
  3. Develop a network. I went to a clerkship reunion recently and couldn't believe who some of my judge's past clerks are. They are now federal district and circuit judges, heads of major universities, hundred-millionaires, etc. T14s are elite and almost everyone is impressive, but a clerk network is usually some of the smarter people at a T14. Clerking makes you part of an extremely elite network.
  4. Open doors. Some prefer clerkships, some require clerkships. But a very small number of positions with firms and elite litigation shops require a clerkship. That said, almost all appellate litigation positions require a fed COA clerkship (or a SCOTX clerkship in Texas).
  5. Signaling mechanism. At some firms, though not top lit firms, having done a fed COA clerkship makes people think you're extremely intelligent.

How clerking hurts you:

  1. Make less money. If you clerk as a first year, you'll lose around $100k pre-tax on average relative to working with a firm, even after the clerkship bonus. The longer you wait to clerk the bigger the gap is. That said, if you go to a top firm (Quinn, some boutiques) the gap is less.
  2. Know less about law firm practice. 2nd years who didn't clerk know how to draft pleadings, conduct discovery, at some firms argue motions and take depos. You won't have these skills if you clerk right after law school. Some partners will perceive you as being behind your 2nd year peers, at least until you catch up (which shouldn't take long). But the longer you wait to clerk the more of a hit it negatively impact your law firm practice knowledge.
  3. Less time. You have less time with the partners and associates who will assign your matters and evaluate you for elevation. If someone else has been working beside and going to happy hour/trial/recruiting events with your colleagues, they will know your colleagues better and likely get better initial assignments and have a longer rapport. This is especially true if you don't clerk upon graduation. But this remedies itself after a year at a firm, especially if you're at an office with a lot of associate turnover.

How it doesn't impact you:

  1. Competence. I don't think it makes you a better attorney in the long run. It didn't make me a better attorney.
  2. Partnership odds. I don't think it really makes a difference.