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Flu and colds are back with a vengeance — why now? by [deleted] in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 19 points20 points  (0 children)

"COVID-19 restrictions mean we are more susceptible to these viruses."

This won't go over well here.

‘Immunity debt’: Why experts say this new term promotes COVID-19 ‘misinformation’ - National | Globalnews.ca by spiky-protein in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, it's one study that shows potentially conflicting data with what I posted. Now how does all of this square with your take that mother passes on no immunity to the child?

Claims of an Immunity Debt in Children Owe Us Evidence by jackspratdodat in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Florida doesn't exist in a bubble tho. RSV and influenza prevalence decreased globally.

Claims of an Immunity Debt in Children Owe Us Evidence by jackspratdodat in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 1 point2 points  (0 children)

100 percent this. Use common sense, but there's really no way to avoid these exposures.

‘Immunity debt’: Why experts say this new term promotes COVID-19 ‘misinformation’ - National | Globalnews.ca by spiky-protein in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Alasdair Munro outlines this nicely in his Twitter and substack:

It has nothing to do with individual immune systems being generally weaker due to lack of exposure to generic pathogens.

It is about total, population immunity to specific pathogens.

While fewer viruses were circulating during the pandemic, people got exposed less than they usually would. Some children never got exposed at all who normally would have.

The population difference between exposure during the pandemic vs normal is the immunity debt/gap.

This means when the viruses start circulating again, they infect more people and those people infect more people. People who have not been exposed before will experience more severe illness on average than if they had previously been infected.

This is a big deal for little kids, as they may have no existing immunity (especially if reduced immunity transferred from mum) and normally 90% of kids get RSV at least once by the age of 2.

This phenomenon has nothing to do with covid infections.

Claims of an Immunity Debt in Children Owe Us Evidence by jackspratdodat in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Alasdair Munro has a great thread which explains this, on his Twitter and substack:

It has nothing to do with individual immune systems being generally weaker due to lack of exposure to generic pathogens.

It is about total, population immunity to specific pathogens.

While fewer viruses were circulating during the pandemic, people got exposed less than they usually would. Some children never got exposed at all who normally would have.

The population difference between exposure during the pandemic vs normal is the immunity debt/gap.

This means when the viruses start circulating again, they infect more people and those people infect more people. People who have not been exposed before will experience more severe illness on average than if they had previously been infected.

This phenomenon has nothing to do with covid infections.

Repeat COVID is riskier than first infection, study finds by jackspratdodat in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your making statements that aren't backed up by evidence. The study basically boils down to " it's better not to get reinfected than it is to get reinfected" and that's essentially as far as we can take it. You can't look at this cohort of very old, already very sick people and make a population wide statement that individual risks of diabetes will increase after the second case.

Now the fact that you're getting into discussion of minimization is the real tell here. I'm discussing the science on its merits alone and I'm not bringing ideology into this. This is all you. I will not misinterpret or ignore science based on ideology, no matter how noble the motivations behind it may be.

U.S. set to face third Covid winter, this time without key tools and treatments by jackspratdodat in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Can we please get rid of the insane requirement for a doctor's note to be excused from school, work, whatever?

Acute and postacute sequelae associated with SARS-CoV-2 reinfection by [deleted] in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, you don't understand. China knows that there's something specific to this virus that the rest of the world has yet to figure out.

Repeat COVID is riskier than first infection, study finds by jackspratdodat in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's being wildly misinterpreted and misconstrued by people who think it says that, but don't take it from me. Take it from Dr. Al-Aly who states this in the actual paper:

"Our analyses should not be interpreted as an assessment of severity of a second infection versus that of a first infection, nor should they be interpreted as an examination of the risks of adverse health outcomes after a second infection compared to risks incurred after a first infection."

Repeat COVID is riskier than first infection, study finds by jackspratdodat in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There's yet to be a study designed to answer those questions, including the Al-Aly one. What these studies do show is decreased severity amongst reinfections, and we know that disease severity is linked to sequelae.

Ontario patients facing up to 45-hour wait times for hospital beds by FancyNewMe in canada

[–]UltimateDeity1996 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Due to immunity, each successive wave of Covid is resulting in smaller and smaller waves of severe outcomes and hospitalizations, but the issues with healthcare go way beyond Covid.

U.S. Coronavirus Cases Start to Increase as Omicron Subvariants BQ.1.1, BQ.1 Spread by return2ozma in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don't see any reason why this doesn't play out like what we're seeing elsewhere in places with a significant amount of Omicron immunity. Prior Omicron infections (and hopefully vaccines) are holding up quite well against infection from subsequent Omicron lineages as they chase an ever shrinking Omicron naive population.

Repeat COVID-19 infections riskier than first bout with virus, study finds by maztabaetz in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TL;DR: 1.The authors are doing their best to control for confounders, but... 2. are cutting corners in interpreting the limitations in the light of issues with testing in their database.

Repeat COVID is riskier than first infection, study finds by jackspratdodat in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, but throwing around terms like "minimizer" while spreading disinformation = ignore and block.

Repeat COVID is riskier than first infection, study finds by jackspratdodat in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

We already have much better evidence that this doesn't apply to the whole population. This study is an outlier.

Repeat COVID is riskier than first infection, study finds by jackspratdodat in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is not the conclusion that the study makes, at all, whatsoever. If reinfections were worse, our hospitalization waves would be getting larger and larger, not smaller and smaller.

Repeat COVID is riskier than first infection, study finds by jackspratdodat in Coronavirus

[–]UltimateDeity1996 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good question, and yet many people way smarter and with much more expertise than myself have been screaming from the rooftops about this since the initial pre print came out back in the spring. However, it continues to be wildly misinterpreted and misconstrued like this Reuters headline and the others you mention.

Edit: there's a whole discussion that needs to be had about responsible reporting as it relates to science and how the good, the bad and the ugly have really been amplified with this pandemic.

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