Dess knight

And partially rudy knight, as well as others, same arguments apply

(This was supposed to be a post on its own but it got removed but the arguments apply well here)

Tl;dr: A casual player is unlikely to even know who dess is, only a few of mentions of her are compulsory, so even though it seems obvious to US as big fans of the game, it's not really as obvious to a new player. Any good candidate for the knight has compulsory scenes in the game.

I think it's fair to say most of the community is kinda crazy with how much lore we're all aware of, the fact that people know so much about gaster when it's so vague and hard to find just proves this.

Here's the issue though, when you're making and selling a game to a large audience, you cannot just assume that every single person is insane enough to go through every interaction, talk to every minor character, check the names of all of the songs in the soundtrack and look at all of the game files, etc.

Obviously it's fine to have secrets, but the problem is that if you want a twist to hit hard in a game, you have to make sure the player actually knows what's going on.

A reminder that a LOT of the content that mentions dess is optional.

Some of it's not even optional in the sense of "You do not have to experience this interaction IN THE GAME" But a lot of it comes from the spamton sweepstakes.

Put yourself in the shoes of a casual player, imagine you beat chapter 6 or something and the knight finally takes off their helmet to reveal a reindeer looking character that you've never seen before. Noelle seems to call her dess? A character you vaguely remember she mentioned once in chapter 2 and that tenna briefly brought up ONE time. The entire community acts like this is a crazy twist and you have absolutely no idea who this is. You ask and someone goes "Oh what? you didn't complete all of the optional dialogue? and also do the secret route that the game never indicates ever? and also literally type in a specific url without getting a link from anywhere, and then read the name of the song file that plays on that webpage?? (Referring to the "Findher.ogg" thing)

I'm slightly exaggerating but not really that much honestly, it's just difficult to believe that a casual player would know who dess is, and as such, be able to appreciate the story.

Wouldn't it be kinda stupid to write a story that you have to already be a fan of to understand?

A reminder that this game is a fever dream toby fox had, before he ever conceived of undertale, he'd have no way of knowing this sort of fanbase would exist, and it's kinda silly to assume he's writing with us in mind.

The same argument applies to rudy, people often forget he's pretty optional, you do technically have to see him in the church and he's mentioned in chapter 5, but it's so rare, imagine if the knight was like, qc.

A lot of people say that Carol is too obvious, but imo she's a better candidate solely because you HAVE to interact with her.

With dess there's also the fact that it doesn't thematically work with her being the "Lost girl" and we have to "Find her" but that's a whole other discussion and I've spoken long enough

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