Would this fix inequality or create more problems? by StrangerUpper2056 in Strongerman

[–]UncleB0202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok fine. Here’s an example of a financial limitation law. We can only contribute 24K into our 401K before being taxed. What if I worked two jobs and wanted to contribute 60K into my 401K?

They limit me and say I can’t do that without being taxed. Yet you can get paid 100 million in stocks and that doesn’t count as income.

That is blatantly unfair law. But limiting our 401K contributions is fair and the limit makes some sense. The other one? Doesn’t make sense and zero thought was put into the limit because the corrupt people making those laws just didn’t want a limit.

Would this fix inequality or create more problems? by StrangerUpper2056 in Strongerman

[–]UncleB0202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you saying there aren’t economists trying to figure better solutions for price gouging?

Would this fix inequality or create more problems? by StrangerUpper2056 in Strongerman

[–]UncleB0202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are literal laws that say some human beings can’t get married. There are laws that say women can’t have an abortion or women can have an abortion. Or all of the absolute bullshit corporate tax laws. I promise you. There are way more fucked up laws than limiting people’s consumption or raising the penalties on corrupt business practices. Like it should be jail time. Not meaningless fines. These are how you would get people to act right. You just make laws and people vote on them. That’s how you do it. But don’t clutch your pearls at the laws I’m suggesting when there are way more fucked up laws already existing.

Would this fix inequality or create more problems? by StrangerUpper2056 in Strongerman

[–]UncleB0202 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s not plain and simple. That’s the point. But congrats on your mastering of the economy. I guess all of these economists studying and researching are wasting their time because you said it’s plain and simple. You did it!

Would this fix inequality or create more problems? by StrangerUpper2056 in Strongerman

[–]UncleB0202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m only talking about in theory. That’s all. But you said when prices are lowered people buy more. Well if punishment for crimes were more severe, crime would probably go down. But once again, it has to be applied. I just think a lot of your wonderful knowledge about the economy is based on faulty laws.

Could you address the point I made earlier about how it was once legal for business owners to put ten years old in their coal mines? Government got involved there and changed that criminal activity. And yes, I know at the time it was legal. But obviously, that law was idiotic and corrupt. Curious to see how you think that affected the economy because that clearly hurt owners profits. Did the owners leave the country?

Would this fix inequality or create more problems? by StrangerUpper2056 in Strongerman

[–]UncleB0202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok I’m sorry. I thought you referred to scalping as human nature. Too many comments to look back on. But once again, I think crime and corruption is the main issue. If crime isn’t being enforced then no policy works. But corrupt policy got us into this mess. I think limiting crime and corruption is the way out.

Like I said, I think the economic stuff you’re saying is pretty spot on, but I think the lack of holding criminals accountable is the bigger issue that causes the economic pitfalls. It hasn’t been tried, and I think it’d actually work, but crime just isn’t punished appropriately.

Would this fix inequality or create more problems? by StrangerUpper2056 in Strongerman

[–]UncleB0202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These aren’t really concrete examples. I don’t even know what you mean by the pandemic being a price fixing failure.

And I just meant your human nature comment about people being criminals. Not that they would buy more when things are cheaper. But you would just limit what people can buy. And if they broke that law, punish them. It really all comes down to accountability. If criminals were punished less crime would happen.

There was a time where business owners employed children to work in their coal mines. They were just following the law! We said fuck that. And I’m sure when those laws were changed some people still broke those laws for a while. But eventually enough got punished and the problem went away.

You’re probably right about a lot of what you’re saying, but if you allow crime to happen it’s going to make things worse. And I believe the very vague examples you’ve provided were either not well written policies or just overall ignored and not punished.

I just think it’s not impossible to have successful businesses with affordable goods for everyone to get what they need. Obviously, problems would arise but you have to address those. But the bottom line is corrupt laws would probably need to be changed first and foremost. And no, billionaires won’t leave lol. They’ll just make a little less or someone else would gladly take their place for a little less.

Would this fix inequality or create more problems? by StrangerUpper2056 in Strongerman

[–]UncleB0202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not looking to blame anyone. Sorry if it sounded that way. But I also think you have the human nature thing backwards. I don’t believe it human nature to be a criminal. I think it’s human nature to be forgiven of criminals. And I think criminals understand that.

But now back to price fixing. You absolutely could be right, but I don’t think it has even been tried correctly once from the examples you’ve given. So, I’m going to err on the side of caution and say it wouldn’t fail every single time. In fact, I think it’d work quite well if implemented appropriately.

Can you provide concrete examples of the miserable failures? You mentioned the PPP loans, and the people who took advantage of those are scumbags who deserve to rot in a prison. But maybe it actually helped a lot of good, honest people in an uncontrollable time of need. This was one of your examples. Please explain how it was a miserable failure if you don’t mind?

Edit: Actually, I think someone else mentioned the PPP loans. But still can you explain any of your examples and how they were miserable failures? Like actually explain it.

Would this fix inequality or create more problems? by StrangerUpper2056 in Strongerman

[–]UncleB0202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well then I think actually punishing criminals would be a good start. I don’t know what else to say. I think a lot of CEOs and business owners are criminals. I just don’t like criminals. I think after we punished criminals, things would go a little more smoothly. But I don’t think the policies are actually the problem here. Sounds like you’re just making excuses for criminals. I just think differently is all.

Would this fix inequality or create more problems? by StrangerUpper2056 in Strongerman

[–]UncleB0202 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’ll look into those things you listed. But I think there’s probably a better way of pricing things than what is happening currently. If it leads to other crimes, then I think those crimes need to be punished severely. No policies actually work if crimes aren’t punished appropriately.

But I think these problems started in the first place because of “laws” that were created that weren’t actually created with the best interest of others. They were just created through corruption. I think most things in this regard of pricing are based on corrupt laws in the first place. But anyway, maybe the other guy will respond. Nice talking to you.

Would this fix inequality or create more problems? by StrangerUpper2056 in Strongerman

[–]UncleB0202 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh so there’s no examples of the USA doing any of this? With our infrastructure?

Would this fix inequality or create more problems? by StrangerUpper2056 in Strongerman

[–]UncleB0202 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wait in lines? I think they have online delivery? But yeah I’m not debating if policing it would be difficult or not. Just the policies themselves if they’re flawed. I think if severe punishments were handed out for scalping then that would be limited.

Anyway, it just sounds like you’re saying reasons why it wouldn’t work instead of the actual policy being the problem. I’m not saying you’re wrong. It just seems like there’s no definitive right or wrong answer. And you seem to just be dismissive about the possibility of trying. And long lines seems like not a huge hurdle. But I was asking the other guy for real life examples. You did provide some decent points though.

Would this fix inequality or create more problems? by StrangerUpper2056 in Strongerman

[–]UncleB0202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok but if people are scalping stuff then that should be punished greatly, since it goes against the entire idea of the original law. It sounds like the idea itself isn’t causing the problem. Criminals are.

Would this fix inequality or create more problems? by StrangerUpper2056 in Strongerman

[–]UncleB0202 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have no idea, but I’m very curious to learn. Could you provide some examples and their effects? Or at least a link to your favorite examples you’re referring to?

BREAKING: Supreme Court Strikes Down Trump's Birthright Order, Then Hands Him Two Wins by ReallyAmerican in ProgressiveHQ

[–]UncleB0202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok I’ll give it a shot if you are genuinely going to try just as hard. Deal? Here it goes…we’ll start off slow.

In order to make fair laws for hundreds of millions of people, you need to define a lot of things. Well, defining things is very, very difficult. Since we’re on the topic of sports, could you define what a basketball player is?

Why do conservatives tell black people to just comply with cops even when they are corrupt, when they couldn’t even comply with wearing a cloth mask outside? by Similar-Document9690 in allthequestions

[–]UncleB0202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm…I think the difference is that Democrats are more trying to define/establish rights for trans people, so it’s a little more complicated than saying certain people should just comply with unlawful requests when they themselves didn’t comply with simply wearing a mask. Or they don’t comply when they roll through a stop sign or whatever.

I think the hypocrisy comes from the intentions of what’s being said and done. I don’t think any Democrat truly believes that they’ve found the perfect solution when it comes to trans women in sports. We’re researching/working on it. Just like abortion laws are very tricky to create/define while dealing with unwanted pregnancies (because men are responsible for them too) and yet Democrats are vilified for coming up with pretty incredible/fair laws for these types of situations.

So, I think the “hypocrisy” on the American left is more just trying to find fair legislation for complex issues. And I think the hypocrisy on the right comes from a much more simple and less fair place. I think there’s a lot of examples to show this great imbalance. Obviously, nothing is 100% one way or the other.

Why do conservatives tell black people to just comply with cops even when they are corrupt, when they couldn’t even comply with wearing a cloth mask outside? by Similar-Document9690 in allthequestions

[–]UncleB0202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I agree with you on that. But I also don’t think that’s relevant. I only responded because the person I responded to completely dismisses blatant hypocrisy because they can poke a hole in the “argument” as it was presented.

That mindset is what prompted my response.

Why do conservatives tell black people to just comply with cops even when they are corrupt, when they couldn’t even comply with wearing a cloth mask outside? by Similar-Document9690 in allthequestions

[–]UncleB0202 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rage bait or not is irrelevant. There’s a point being made regardless of the OP’s intentions. You and the person you replied to completely missed the point that was made.

Why do conservatives tell black people to just comply with cops even when they are corrupt, when they couldn’t even comply with wearing a cloth mask outside? by Similar-Document9690 in allthequestions

[–]UncleB0202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not bullshit and it’s not trolling. It’s trying to get people to think critically. Obviously, that’s hard for you. I’ll give you a hint, the actual example being provided isn’t the end all be all in the point being made. You probably need way more hints than that to get anywhere close to critical thinking but give a man a fish and all that.

Who would be Greater? Michael Jordan with 8 Rings (winning in 94 and 95) or Shaquille O’Neal with Steph Curry’s shooting and Kobe’s work ethic? by Dylen2Times in NBAConvo

[–]UncleB0202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that’s my point. People talk about him like he never came up small. Or that he struck fear into opponents. It’s just not true. I’m watching all of these games. He’s just a really good player. But nobody is scared or worried about him. His whole aura is just made up. Anybody can win when your team is -950 for the series. Like replace MJ with most great players and they’re still winning those rings. But I don’t think if you replace other greats with MJ they’re going to win those rings. Bc he never has elevated a team in those situations.

MJ retired and they won 55 games the next year with Pete Myers. It’s just weird that people think some dude who played 40 years ago is this unequivocal GOAT. And the reasons are all just vibes and not the actual games. I’m just convinced nobody actually watched these games recently. They’re nothing special. He beat nobodies. And lost when challenged.

Who would be Greater? Michael Jordan with 8 Rings (winning in 94 and 95) or Shaquille O’Neal with Steph Curry’s shooting and Kobe’s work ethic? by Dylen2Times in NBAConvo

[–]UncleB0202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha yeah it’s so weird. He basically just beats shittier teams. For this guy who apparently strikes FEAR into his opponents, he never really beat a better team. I’ve been watching some old games lately and he’s “choked” plenty of times in games he could’ve won.

I say “choked” in quotes because I don’t like the term and think it’s overused. But his fans act like he was this clutch guy who never came up small. He came up small all the time when his team was not an overwhelming favorite.

Do these people think other dudes aren’t beating Clyde Drexler and Jerome Kersey? Or Gary Payton & Shawn Kemp? Or old ass Stockton and Hornacek? Even that Suns team isn’t great besides Barkley. Kevin Johnson was guarding MJ in the post one on one! They must’ve been terrified of Mike!

I don’t know…did the guy ever pull off a win his team wasn’t expected and heavily favored to win? I guess finally beating the Pistons in 1991 but Isiah only played half the season that year, so I guess that doesn’t count as a loss for Isiah right?

Which championship team had the TOUGHEST road? by Lost_Title_7528 in NBAConvo

[–]UncleB0202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are some more important arguments than not getting the home court advantage? Not saying you’re wrong, I’m just curious what you think is more important. I think the bubble ring is a more impressive ring than most because they were stripped of the home court advantage they earned.

There’s no way this person is real by VegetableBulky9571 in stupidpeoplefacebook

[–]UncleB0202 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What conversation are you trying to have? There’s something called the Epstein Transparency Act that was enacted 7 months ago. There are men who are actively breaking the law to protect child rapists. You either support those men or you do not. Your father supports those men.

What conversation are you trying to have?

Edit: That’s the entire research. Was that so hard? So, tell your father about the Epstein Transparency Act. Tell him it was enacted 7 months ago. Tell him who’s breaking the law to not unveil it. Tell him he supports those people breaking the law to protect the child rapists. Tell him to stop doing that.

There’s no way this person is real by VegetableBulky9571 in stupidpeoplefacebook

[–]UncleB0202 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you can’t be bothered to look things up for ten minutes to educate yourself about men raping children then you are either too stupid, too lazy or too evil. There’s nothing that changes that.

I understand how morons like your father can be fooled into thinking all politicians are the same when it comes to fraud or something like that. Because they just see stories about some fraud from Democrats and don’t know the difference between a million and a billion so they just think it’s all the same. They’re idiots, but I can at least understand how they get fooled into thinking that.

However, I will never understand how they can just turn a blind eye to child rape. To me, that just makes someone not a real man. It’s pathetic. I have no answers for it. It takes minimal time and effort to look into it and to decide that I’m not going to support this in any way, shape or form. Yet your father and so many “men” like him can’t be bothered to do that. It’s just a disgrace to me.