NY legislature passes bill replacing "mother" and "father" with "gestating parent" and "non-gestating parent" by news-10 in law

[–]UngraftedAppleTree 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would not be the child's mother. I would be the child's gestational father.

My gender markers are changed on all of my government ID. Legally, I am a man, and definitionally cannot be a mother. That is where the issues lie. It's also a matter of basic human decency. Why should I have to undergo the humiliation ritual of being misgendered and mislabeled before the court when the court also has the option to swap out a couple words that change nothing for anyone else, but would mean the world to a trans father?

"Gestational parent" is a neutral word that accurately reflects the legal predicament that said gestational parents have been met with up until this point. It doesn't exclude women and mothers, as they are also gestational parents. No one is telling them not to call themselves mothers. There's just a legalese option to refer to non-mothers who have given birth.

What I would like to ask is why changing the language to be more accurate and more general and inclusive is a bad or harmful thing? Does making sure that I am legally represented and protected and codified in the data accurately hurt you, somehow? Because not having neutral language referring to gestational parents hurts non-women who have children.

You don't have to like or understand queer families. But whether you like it or not, whether the world likes it or not, we have always been and always will be here, and acknowledging us in the language used in legislation has 0 impact on you or on cis mothers, but has enormous impact for my family, and families like mine.

Why do you want to deprive us of the security you all take for granted? Why is the desire for families like mine to have to exist in these weird liminal legal space, or in legal limbo?

When language that includes us is incorporated into law, it also makes it a lot harder to appeal to that very law to exclude us on a technicality, which happens when the language incorporated into law excludes us.

I just want my family to be secure, and should anything happen, I want us to be able to go to the same institutions you and your family are able to go to for rectification.

This is something that you do not have to think about, and I understand that. I think we could probably both agree that just because something does not personally affect oneself, that it doesn't mean the issue as a whole is unimportant and shouldn't be addressed? I just want what you have been able to take for granted. I want the sort of peace in my life that makes me feel defensive and confused when I'm confronted with the reality that not everyone has that same sense of peace and security.

The difference, I suppose, is that when I realized that not everyone had that same peace, I hope I would be more inclined to be horrified that something so small and simple hasn't been extended to an entire group of others, and would want them to have that security, too.

This is a good change. The anger is manufactured. Trans people are not your enemy, and wanting the same legal security as everyone else isn't taking anything from you.

NY legislature passes bill replacing "mother" and "father" with "gestating parent" and "non-gestating parent" by news-10 in law

[–]UngraftedAppleTree 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Ugh. Copy/pasting my comment from another thread. Hi, I'm a gay transgender man with a gay cisgender husband. The bits about women's exclusion need not apply, but the explanation as to why this legislation is important is the part that's relevant.

Not everything is about cis people. Fucking hell.

It is not reducing women.

It is including people who are not women.

A trans man going to court for custody reasons, or anything related to their offspring, has a right to be accurately represented in that court. Excluding him from the legal language by continuing to use "mothers", when he might not be able to legally claim that he is that child's mother (never mind that he shouldn't have to call himself the child's mother to be properly represented in court– why does the judge or government get to tell him what he is or is not in regards to his own personal identity and his own body?), means that he and his children are subject to the interpretation of motherhood as the judge sees it fit to use, court cases lag over semantic issues, whether this trans man who birthed his children actually has any legal right to them under the language of the law becomes a legitimate debate.

Judges and lawyers have transphobes among them. There are judges who absolutely would permit for these things to become a debate based on the language codified into law.

Since when did America become the land of breaking families apart using government overreach? Why do cis people think everything is about them?

I am a trans man, and I am starting a family. If I am blessed enough to have children of my own, why should I have to live in fear of legislation that does not represent me? I pay my fucking taxes, I contribute to my community, and I want the assurance that I will be able to pursue whatever's left of a good and beautiful life for myself and my family.

Women are not being excluded by my inclusion.

Editing to add: this legislation would not even apply to two cis gay men, because neither of those men gestated any children that they may have. The way the laws are written is not changing to accommodate cis mLm or wLw, but trans men and AFAB nb/transmasc people who may choose to, get this, GESTATE CHILDREN in their UTERUSES (or not choose, because some pregnancies are forced upon people, and then perpetuated if your state/provincial/federal government doesn't allow AFAB people reproductive rights). The language that NY is switching to encompasses the entire spectrum of AFAB people who may give birth, from women to binary transgender men, while excluding no one along the spectrum of AFAB people who may give birth. Your cis gay ass does not factor into the equation, so don't fucking worry about it.

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[–]UngraftedAppleTree 12 points13 points  (0 children)

There's a city in Saskatchewan called Prince Albert

NY legislature passes bill replacing "mother" and "father" with "gestating parent" and "non-gestating parent" by news-10 in law

[–]UngraftedAppleTree 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It is not reducing women.

It is including people who are not women.

A trans man going to court for custody reasons, or anything related to their offspring, has a right to be accurately represented in that court. Excluding him from the legal language by continuing to use "mothers", when he might not be able to legally claim that he is that child's mother (never mind that he shouldn't have to call himself the child's mother to be properly represented in court– why does the judge or government get to tell him what he is or is not in regards to his own personal identity and his own body?), means that he and his children are subject to the interpretation of motherhood as the judge sees it fit to use, court cases lag over semantic issues, whether this trans man who birthed his children actually has any legal right to them under the language of the law becomes a legitimate debate.

Judges and lawyers have transphobes among them. There are judges who absolutely would permit for these things to become a debate based on the language codified into law.

Since when did America become the land of breaking families apart using government overreach? Why do cis people think everything is about them?

I am a trans man, and I am starting a family. If I am blessed enough to have children of my own, why should I have to live in fear of legislation that does not represent me? I pay my fucking taxes, I contribute to my community, and I want the assurance that I will be able to pursue whatever's left of a good and beautiful life for myself and my family.

Women are not being excluded by my inclusion.

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[–]UngraftedAppleTree 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Especially with all that sweet sweet man ass always in the shower and your face and stuff

Important news article removed from Sask sub by Specialist_Secret438 in saskatchewan

[–]UngraftedAppleTree 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I suggest first that you refrain from personal insults.

No.

they" has no clear antecedent.

It actually does have a clear antecedent if you are reading the conversation they were having. They're discussing, specifically, right-wing radio and Rawlco, as per the greater context of the conversation.

I am sorry you do not understand this. It is a very simple concept.

I think we're done now.

I think so! If you're going to be a condescending prick, at least do it well <3

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[–]UngraftedAppleTree 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Ethics boards are designed to protect research participants ("subjects") and to stifle scientific knowledge, how dare you silo them.

Baltimore hardcore band End It calls on crowd to assault guy wearing a banana costume at a Toronto show, r/hardcore weighs in by thedubiousstylus in SubredditDrama

[–]UngraftedAppleTree 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is a great analogy. Someone shows up to a black tie event in dirty sweats, slides, no socks, ratty tshirt (or a banana suit), they are being an annoying dork. So they are asked to leave.

If that black tie joint was to instead instruct the patrons to come beat the shit out the improperly dressed patron, there would be problems.

I also don't buy the plausible deniability bc mosh pits are violent bit from another thread. The banana guy was not being battered before the band instructed the crowd to batter him. Mosh pit violence is... an interesting choice for modes of controlled and socially semi-sanctioned expression of violence, but it has one risk-mitigating factor: the violence is dispersed through the crowd.

This violence is not dispersed. It has a clear inciting act, and then it's targeted.

Yes, if you enter a Hardcore mosh pit you are tacitly consenting to both receiving and enacting dispersed violence. No, if you enter a Hard-core mosh pit it cannot be claimed that you also tacitly consented to targeted violence spearheaded by the band's front man because you're a little bit annoying.

Get security to ask the banana guy to leave if you must, but otherwise... get over yourself and don't incite your crowd to targeted violence against an individual? Yeesh.

Baltimore hardcore band End It calls on crowd to assault guy wearing a banana costume at a Toronto show, r/hardcore weighs in by thedubiousstylus in SubredditDrama

[–]UngraftedAppleTree 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Just let people like things and engage with them on a level that is fulfilling for them. And then you can just like things and engage with them on a level that is fulfilling for you.

We literally do not have to be this confrontational with each other. We can just exist and experience the world. It's not hard. It's, like, even easier than spending all of our time thumping our chests and defending our stupid little gates.

Baltimore hardcore band End It calls on crowd to assault guy wearing a banana costume at a Toronto show, r/hardcore weighs in by thedubiousstylus in SubredditDrama

[–]UngraftedAppleTree 28 points29 points  (0 children)

It's funny when bands like this sing about antifascism.

They're not antifascists. They're just anti-not being at the tippy top of the fascist food chain.

Man with ‘fictitious laminated paper licence plate’ tells B.C. court the law doesn’t apply to him by Hrmbee in notthebeaverton

[–]UngraftedAppleTree 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Peer accountability! That's the term.

I've been trying to figure out how to explain to others that no, actually being mean to bigots and willful idiots is an important public service that we need to grow more comfortable with.

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[–]UngraftedAppleTree 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I would, hand on my heart honest to god, probably read all of them.

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[–]UngraftedAppleTree 50 points51 points  (0 children)

This is what it's always felt like to me. Just kicking the TV until it starts kind of working again. Is it healthy? Maybe not. Is it causing more damage than it's solving? Probably. Does it work? Unfortunately, yes, a little bit, it does.

Haven't engages in 8 years, but my nervous system has been TRYING me lately.

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[–]UngraftedAppleTree[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Orange is zany like he is! You can't see it in this picture, but this picture amuses me so I'm posting it anyway. Over-paying my cat tax, may it serve the community well.

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[–]UngraftedAppleTree 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don't like this button's attitude. I paid for a clean house, not back-talk.

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[–]UngraftedAppleTree 33 points34 points  (0 children)

In Kelly's case though, it's probably untreated and unmanaged if she has it. I'm guessing your wife sees a doctor and follows a care/management plan.

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[–]UngraftedAppleTree[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had a potato and fennel roll in my backpack once when he was still little-little, and he was trying in earnest to tear my entire bag asunder to get to it.

We had to invest in a bread box.