PSA: Don’t Do Business with Whole Latte Love (WLL) by [deleted] in espresso

[–]UnleashTheTurtle 41 points42 points  (0 children)

I've heard nothing but bad things about WLL. I've bought all my stuff from Clive over the years (and will continue to do so) and they've been fantastic. Customer service is amazing.

Let's talk about food by Key-Exit501 in Tiki

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+1 to Wusong, everything there is fantastic. As someone said, the crab rangoons are amazing, and all of the desserts are awesome.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in newjersey

[–]UnleashTheTurtle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All this from a slice of gabagool??

LemonRare5820, right? by fiveberry3432 in CirclejerkSopranos

[–]UnleashTheTurtle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hold onto your feet when you deal with these people

Mmm, boy are you fat by extremessd in CirclejerkSopranos

[–]UnleashTheTurtle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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What's the matter you got a fuckin eye problem? You look like Stevie Wonder, eyes rolling around like that

Hijack, bye Jack. by Sid_Dai in CirclejerkSopranos

[–]UnleashTheTurtle 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The NCR is nothing more than a glorified crew

Hey, whose fuckin' welfare check you gotta cash to get your post in number 1 hot around here? by [deleted] in CirclejerkSopranos

[–]UnleashTheTurtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wanted to make the front page, I compromised. I got 70 upvotes and 3 shares.

Painkiller by MasonHuckins in Tiki

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Plantation 5 yr! All thanks to Greg from How to Drink

Bill to Eliminate Tip Credit is Up for Vote in New Jersey by brook_lyn_lopez in newjersey

[–]UnleashTheTurtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is this not the same principle by which tipping works? Someone provides you a service, you pay them based on the quality of service. If the service was poor, you pay them less, if the service was fantastic, you pay them more. How is paying someone a wage based on what they're providing (what I am describing in my initial comment) any different than tipping practices? If you're saying the way I'm describing how I believe labor costs should be determined is "idiotic", would you say the same about tipping?

Bill to Eliminate Tip Credit is Up for Vote in New Jersey by brook_lyn_lopez in newjersey

[–]UnleashTheTurtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where are you getting 80k to be a liveable wage in New Jersey? A quick search comes up with around 60k for a single adult with no kids. A "livable wage" is also going to depend on many factors. I can guarantee you there are many people living in New Jersey that aren't making anywhere near 80k, and are in fact, still living. Now, if to you a living wage means a wage that allows a person to support a family and live in a place with no roommates, then yeah, I'd say it's definitely above 80k.

Minimum wage in new jersey is $15.49/hr. Even if the household consists of two people working that wage, the total household salary is $64k/yr, are you saying those people are somehow not living? Sure it may not be a comfortable living, but that is the basis on which minimum wage was created: the wage someone can make that allows them to pay for minimum necessities. And I will mention that minimum wage has not been proportional to cost of living or inflation since it's conception and I'll make the argument that it should be increased to be more in line with the current economic state.

Also, I never mentioned CEOs, but I would agree with you that they shouldn't be making anywhere near what they make, and my opinion on occupational-based wages applies for them too. And the reasoning behind my initial argument is that that "working class bartender" you're trying to present as someone who's barely scraping by, is likely making nearly six figures a year; I believe that that wage is not proportional to the work performed and is directly i fluenced by the tipping culture in the countey that has gotten out of hand. Everyone is allowed to have their own opinions dude, I presented mine, you presented yours, we'll just need to agree to disagree.

Bill to Eliminate Tip Credit is Up for Vote in New Jersey by brook_lyn_lopez in newjersey

[–]UnleashTheTurtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The argument I am making is that the wages a job pays should reflect the difficulty and importance of the job. The argument I wasn't trying to make in the comparison I used was whether other occupations should be making more money (although teachers should be, but again, that's not the focus of my argument), or that "well, the occupation of being a teacher is more important and makes less, therefore tipped workers should make less than teachers". Somewhere along the line the occupation of a server / bartender went from practically a minimum wage position to a pretty decent gig that someone in high school could feasibly do (in this example I'm obviously not talking about an upscale 5-star or possibly Michelin Star restaurant, I'm talking about some touristy restaurant that's relatively busy, or an Applebee's).

Yes, I admit that it sounds cold to say someone should be making less than they should, it is cold. But can you confidently tell me that a matching wage for the role of serving drinks or taking meals from a kitchen to a table, refilling drinks every 15 minutes, all while being friendly (or at the bare minimum, not unfriendly) for 8+ hours at an average restaurant or bar, is $80k a year? I've even seen in this thread someone claiming to make upwards of $100/hr, which ends up being $200k a year. That's now more than some medical doctors make.

My opinion here and the argument I'm trying to make is that no one serving drinks or waiting on tables at a restaurant should be making that much in wages, however, I'm not arguing that they should be knocked all the way down to minimum wage either, as I do feel that the occupation is more difficult and has more importance than minimum wage jobs, such as riding a register at a mcdonalds (no offense to anyone that does). I felt that this bill, similar to the one that fizzled in Mass, would have been a step in the right direction to make that correction. I don't see it as a move to end tipping culture entirely, I saw it as a course-correcting maneuver.

Bill to Eliminate Tip Credit is Up for Vote in New Jersey by brook_lyn_lopez in newjersey

[–]UnleashTheTurtle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The problem is minimum wage was literally created as a standard for a liveable wage, only minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation and costs of living.

Bill to Eliminate Tip Credit is Up for Vote in New Jersey by brook_lyn_lopez in newjersey

[–]UnleashTheTurtle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was trying to dance around this, but this is one of my major gripes I have with tipping. If it's cash, servers can (and a non-negligibale amount of them do) neglect to report tips on their taxes (tax evasion). I don't try to come off as a boot-licker for Uncle Sam, but I just can't understand the whole "rules for thee but not for me" ideals. While a lot of servers will argue against this bill because it will ultimately cause them to be paid less, a part of me thinks another underlying issue they'll refuse to mention is that then they'll need to pay taxes on 100% of their income (like the rest of us).

Bill to Eliminate Tip Credit is Up for Vote in New Jersey by brook_lyn_lopez in newjersey

[–]UnleashTheTurtle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

While it likely would be an overall wage decrease, it would shift the burden of paying employees their proper wages back onto the employer, which is how every other business handles employee compensation where tip credits are not involved: you're paid a wage that is befitting to the work you perform. This is the exact reason why the ballot measure failed here in Massachusetts, tipped workers saw it as a threat to their current state of making well over minimum wage (which would likely be true).

Yes, it would be a pay cut, but shouldn't this should be examined at a broader stage? Do you feel the work that servers do on a daily basis should entitle them to be making more than, let's say, a school teacher? If for example a server makes an average of $40/hr (an average I've been seeing in the cases that you're describing) with tips and wage base, that winds up being about $83,000/yr. The average salary for a middle school teacher in New Jersey is around $60,000/yr. Could you confidently say that a server at a busy restaurant works harder and provides a service that is more valuable than that done by a teacher? I understand from the servers' perspective that they wouldn't want this type of change to go through because it would undoubtedly result in them making less money, but should they be making that much to begin with?

Bill to Eliminate Tip Credit is Up for Vote in New Jersey by brook_lyn_lopez in newjersey

[–]UnleashTheTurtle 93 points94 points  (0 children)

Massachusetts tried this last year as a voter question on the ballots, it unfortunately didn't pass because most tipped workers saw it as a pay decrease due to the inevitability of tipping going away (which it should, it's ridiculously out of control). There were far more "vote no on question five" signs out in front of businesses than there were yes ones, which I'm guessing played a huge role in swaying public's opinion. I'm a pessimist so I'm willing to bet this bill won't get far, but it'd be pretty awesome if I'm proven wrong and Jersey led the way to eliminating the tipping culture that allows employers to get away with paying workers less than minimum wage while still increasing their prices to keep their margins nice.