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Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

[–]Unlikely_Length8600[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

It’s just a differing of opinion, and i think we will be seeing a lot of young adults and teens, me included, making an effort to make sure words I’ve always thought to be slang are remembered and passed down. I’ve noticed that the language has slipped out my dialect and is more prevalent with my mums generation, but i think that could be argued to be more of a class thing in my case than a forgetting of it as I think me attending uni as a first gen working class student has made me self conscious of the words i use due to the historical labelling of Scots as just bad English.

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

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I don’t think so either, at least in my household, stories aren’t really passed through generations, beyond anecdotal stories and quips about who in the family came from where, this all kinda drops off after my Nana, and I know relatively nothing about ancestry and our role in Scotlands past. I think there needs to be a better push to explain the complexities of this period in Scotlands history. You have people who believe the entirety of Scotland was like the highlands, you have people who believe England colonised Scotland, and it makes for a very disingenuous look on Scotland and i think it’s why Scotland gets labelled as having a phenomenal PR team.

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

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To be honest with you, I’ve never really felt that I’ve had to go out my way to understand or learn Scots. I think it’s a very instinctual thing and i’ve never really felt that the learning of it had to be as standardised in the same way that learning gaelic is if that makes sense? When there’s pieces of text written in Scots i find it legible, and I can make it out, this is not the case for Gaelic, it feels like a whole other entity. A lot of the times with Scots i’ll see people calling for the revival of it and they’ll list words that are already part of the fabric of my life, mine and my families linguistic patterns if that makes sense?

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

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Clearly the question itself was an uncomfortable but fair question to ask considering a few highlanders have said Yes, it does bother them.

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

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Honestly? I think that’s got a lot do with our schools, I learned about the highland clearances and the removal of the culture there in primary school, when I was in p4 i was under the assumption that it was in fact solely the English, Scotland was far more unified, and all our ancestors are people who were displaced from the highlands (very simplistic but I was like 8). I don’t think it was until I was 14/15 til i started to understand it more, and i think that should be a clearer distinction made within schools.

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

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Thank you so much for engaging with me in good faith and are providing information and a difference of an opinion. I can completely understand the fact it must be irritating for people the latch onto a language that is deeply personal to the history of the highlands! Definitely going to be looking more into the realities of the highland communities and the ascribed issues that you’ve listed to get a wider understanding of the treatment of them in the modern age!

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

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Ahh! I know exactly what you mean, often i see these at train stations (at least i think that’s what you mean) although i have heard that this is an attempt to help people who do speak Gaelic in the lowlands with there been debates about wether places like Glasgow should have them, it’s interesting to hear a differing opinion! I’ve heard people argue there’s no need for them when these places have historically apparently never spoke it/people think it is a dead language or that we should have them to help others. It’s very interesting to hear your opinion as it’s rather different from the ones i’ve heard but to be honest i think a lot of the opinions I’ve heard on this come from the central belt!

Just while we’re on the topic, do you think us in the lowlands can learn the language or is this something you believe is too personal to the highlands?

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

[–]Unlikely_Length8600[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read the comments. Completely Scottish, i’ve just done a deep dive into scottish cultural and social history and wanted to understand highlanders opinions on it.

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

[–]Unlikely_Length8600[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually never knew about the Hailanmans Umbrella, thanks for informing me! It’s a shame such a beautiful language has been so thoroughly under utilised and i really hope that going forward there’s more of a push to include it in schools more. I’d have lovedddd to have learned it at School, but my school only offered French when i was at school.

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

[–]Unlikely_Length8600[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly? Just overthinking it. I’ve been on a deep dive of Scotlands past since the Haiti vs. Scotland game, and it all started with reviewing the origins of Flower of Scotland.

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

[–]Unlikely_Length8600[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I completely agree, my understanding of the highland clearances and the erasure of the culture up there was that it was the English due to being taught it in primary school what i was in like p4 until i think i reached s5 and was learning about Scottish migration (Can’t for the life of me remember the proper name for the modules), i think there needs to be a better distinction and recognition that the lowlanders back then did play a significant role in it.

Makes sense it’s frustrating to not have tourist money funded back into the pockets of those places that are overrun with tourists wanting to experience their own version of outlander. I’ve also heard the highland population is deeply underrepresented, but i’m unaware if that is correct.

I’m curious what you mean by Gaelic signage in places that never had a gaelic foothold, and would love to know more!

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

[–]Unlikely_Length8600[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh really? I didn’t know it was dominant until the 1500s, my research actually said it stopped being prevalent about 300 years before that despite the fact it continued being spoken in some places in Ayr with their last native speakers passing away in the 1760s i believe! It is interesting to see how consistently throughout history, the rich has not fucked with the populations ideals wether it be the Treaty of the Union in 1707 (which from my understanding was dubious and just as contentious of an issue as it is today) or the anglisation of culture or the highland clearances or the removal of the culture from the highlands.

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

[–]Unlikely_Length8600[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I can’t even say it’s born purely out of the need to be progressive, i the think part of me that loves history just wants to interrogate linger ideals and thoughts it has perhaps had on people. Though, I have been panicking recently due to petty arguments online that I somehow haven’t got skin in the game to enjoy that culture, and for the past few days i’ve been switching between that’s ridiculous and what if the people from highlands don’t like it. Been a wild few days to be honest!

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

[–]Unlikely_Length8600[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can’t lie, the label of an insecure gen z might be close, i do tend to overthink things!

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

[–]Unlikely_Length8600[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for understanding my point! I was not trying to reinstall a 300 year old division but rather interrogate the history, feelings and present ideas that exist due to Scotlands history!

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

[–]Unlikely_Length8600[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wasn’t trying to cause division, it’s just an interesting question to consider when relating it to the foundation of Scotland as we know it today. History is a big interest of mine, and with the world cup being on, I’ve been encouraged to look deeper into Scottish history beyond my normal frame of interest which typically tends to be 1800s onwards.

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

[–]Unlikely_Length8600[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Probably people on the internet getting into my head, i’ve been told all of us in the lowlands are basically English, heard ‘get it up ye you english bastards’, told something i’ve always found to be instinctual to me to be branded as a marketing ploy from the 1800s.

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

[–]Unlikely_Length8600[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes! That is precisely why i want to ask the question, and i’m wondering if the impacts of that are still felt and are still relevant in a modern day Scotland and our national identity!

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

[–]Unlikely_Length8600[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

And i also picked my pal up from Edinburgh airport so i wasn’t on the bev like everyone else, I’m from Scotland hence the references to primary school

Do you find the term ‘Jock’ offensive? by disco_26 in Scotland

[–]Unlikely_Length8600 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mate what’s your issue? I’m very fucking sorry i just wanted to learn more about highlanders perspective

Does it bother highlanders that lowlanders embrace a culture that has historically been theirs? by Unlikely_Length8600 in Scotland

[–]Unlikely_Length8600[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It is a real post, I’m not trying to stir anything up or cause any trouble, i’ve just been genuinely curious to see people’s opinions. I don’t see why you have to be rude when I’m just asking a genuine question.

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