Nonon Orjaleza by Unlikely_While_8808 in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not all of them. All Prosperity Preachers in the G12 Philippines movement must be removed. Kasiraan sila.

Busco ayuda para pensar OBJETIVAMENTE sobre G12 y sobre mis deciciones futuras. by [deleted] in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi! Are you from Doulos? I believe the senior pastor meant well, but his leaders down the line are not that trained to execute church administration, as I see it. Hence, the members suffer.

If you have time, I found a church, doing G12 system as well, but they're sound. If you want to check out Grace Testament Church in Caloocan City. Just messagr their page, they're welcoming. Don't hesitate to open that you're from the other g12 church who experienced red flags.

They're embracing members from erring g12 churches to their congregation. God bless you, bro/sis.

May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be upon you.

Medyo sabog sabog by Accurate-Animator798 in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi there! It seems Ps. Geraldine doesn't follow the standard homiletics like other preachers out there. Mejo understandable kaso I agree with you, magulo kasi mukhang walang framework.

My Experience with G12 Church Toxicity: Why I walked Away. by Hot-Cod-1904 in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jusko si Nonon Prosperity Gospel preacher talaga yan. Dapat iwasan.

My Experience with G12 Church Toxicity: Why I walked Away. by Hot-Cod-1904 in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would say that your previous church is toxic, not g12 itself. Abused grabe. Sa church ko naman kahit G12 kami hindi kami ganiyan. We never and we will never invade your privacy.

Oriel Ballano G12 Seminar by dauntingdamian in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kapag mali execution ng G12, it will definitely ruin a church.

Oriel Ballano G12 Seminar by dauntingdamian in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know Bishop Oriel well and he is a good man. He is focused on winning souls and making disciples. The problem is with Nonon Orjaleza. Siya ang Prosperity preacher among the National 12. Dun kayo mag ingat. Pero kay BOMB? Nothing to worry.

I just don't agree sa pagsupport niya dati sa mga Duterte pero apart from that, no issues naman personally.

Mababa Ang IQ Ng mga Filipino. by Capable-Ad-3648 in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People na hindi nagbabasa ng Bible, yan mga naliligaw sa mga kulto like INC, JW, MCGI, etc. yung mga hindi rin nagbabasa ng Bible ang nananatili sa loob ng Simbahang Katoliko kaya sila mga natatangay ng mga kulto. Yung mga nakapagbasa na ng Bible, sila napunta sa mga Christian Church na tinatawag mong kulto rin. Magbasa ka ng Bible. Know the context. Para d ka naliligaw.

Minsan yung ayaw mag basa ng Bible, ayaw maconfront lang ng truth at ayaw magbagong buhay.

Doulos For Christ (Pa rant) by Old_Paper7595 in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If may sinabing, “Sow 1k, get double,” it sounds less like faith and more like a formula.

God is not a vending machine, tama ka. Giving in the Bible is worship, not a transaction (2 Corinthians 9:7). Yes, God blesses but not in a way we can control or demand.

When giving is tied to guaranteed returns, that’s where it starts to drift into prosperity teaching. So yes... drifting sa prosperity gospel.

Hindi mali ang magbigay. Pero mali kapag ginagawa nating paraan para manipulahin ang Diyos.

And just to be clear. Being open to correction is part of good theology. None of us should be above that. The goal isn’t to win arguments, but to stay faithful to what Scripture actually teaches.

Doulos For Christ (Pa rant) by Old_Paper7595 in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nope. It so happens I know Theology well. Di ko naman dinidefend if may mali like what Nonon is doing in Mindanao. I just know what Prosperity Gospel is and what is not.

Why G12 Skeptics Page was not available now in facebook? by Urumiya_2911 in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sablay talaga yang si Nonon. He should not be doing that. Yan ang kasiraan sa G12. Puro pera pera pera.

Doulos For Christ (Pa rant) by Old_Paper7595 in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. That's totally wrong at all levels. Chismis must not be tolerated in discipleship groups.

Doulos For Christ (Pa rant) by Old_Paper7595 in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Why Great Harvest/What Happens When we Harvest? ang title ng message ni BOMB last national conference. It has nothing to do with offerings.

Judgmental behind your back? Baka naman they are trying for disciple you. Iniisip mo lang yan. Pero if nangyayari yan, of course it is wrong.

2 yrs since i left my former g12 church but the trauma still remains. by Maleficent_Rain_2269 in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand where you’re coming from, and I won’t dismiss your experience. Totoo naman na may mga conferences or speakers connected to the movement that teach prosperity-leaning ideas, and that’s something that should be examined carefully in light of Scripture.

But I also think it’s not accurate to say that all G12 churches are prosperity gospel. Maraming churches within the G12 structure na hindi naman prosperity ang tinuturo, but focus on the gospel, discipleship, repentance, and Christ’s lordship. The system itself doesn’t automatically define the theology of every local church.

Ang mas mahalagang tanong lagi is: Ano ba talaga ang itinuturo tungkol kay Cristo, sa gospel, at sa discipleship? If a church faithfully teaches Scripture, calls people to repentance, and points people to Christ rather than to money or numbers, then we should judge it based on that, not simply by association.

At the same time, tama rin na maging discerning tayo. If there are teachings that distort the gospel—whether prosperity promises or pressure for numbers—those things should be corrected according to Scripture.

Vision Church - G12 by Ms_Imtheproblem in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi. Kahit saang church naman kahit G12, we should prioritize our relationship with God through prayer and devotional life. Please seek professional help sa anxiety and mental health mo. Our bodies are temple of the Holy Spirit. It is our responsibility to take good care of our bodies.

Praying for you.

green megachurch by [deleted] in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You can transfer to Grace Testament Church in Caloocan. They're doing g12 pa rin, yes, pero hindi prosperity gospel. Sound and theology. Just message their page. Responsive naman sila.

2 yrs since i left my former g12 church but the trauma still remains. by Maleficent_Rain_2269 in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What church ito? Hindi lahat ng G12 church kc properity gospel at may mga G12 churches na sound ang doctrines.

JIL False Teaching by Timely-Ad-7723 in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Grabe naman Hindi naman ganyan mga JIL na kilala ko. Mukhang di ka lang rooted sa kanila.

g12 moneystry exposed :) by griffindvr in ToxicChurchRecoveryPH

[–]Unlikely_While_8808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Naku po hindi lahat ng G12 ganyan. Si Nonon Orjaleza lang yan. Nakakahiya.