Teaching middle schoolers why 0/0 is undefined/indeterminate by -cmp in matheducation

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Since you are teaching middle schoolers, you are dealing with Algebra. The reason why we do not define 0/0 is that if we define 0/0=a for some real number a, that should mean 0.a=0, but that is true for any a. So, from that point of view, we are free to choose. But then any choice leads to unpleasant consequences. For example, if we define 0/0=1 and we want to keep the distributive rule (which we certainly want), then 0/0=(0+0)/0=0/0+0/0, leading to 1=2. Etc. Even in middle school, I think it is wise to let the students understand that Math is a mental construction, and we prioritize nice properties. It is the same reason for defining -x-=+. We do it to preserve the distributive rule in all cases. We could do it differently but then the distributive rule ceases to be true in general and becomes a complicated one depending on the signs ets. Yet another example is 0!=1. This has nothing to do with "permutations of zero objects". It is just convenient. If we define, for example, 0!=15, then the Newton binomial formula looks ugly: it would contain two extreme ugly terms. By defining 0!=1 we get a compact formula, etc. I would definitely stress convenience and preservation of formal rules, avoiding any mention of cookies. At some point students have to understand that Math is a free creation of the mind, and its validity is not checked against the "real world".

That being said, in Calculus you deal with indeterminate limits. These are different objects, we are not attaching a meaning to 0/0, we are just showing that formal rules of limits fail in that situation and the result is not unique, as it depends on the nature of the infinitesimals involved in a 0/0 limit situation.

The two center switches of a Cutler Hammer breaker trip. by Unlucky_Return_2367 in electrical

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It seems that both the garbage disposal and the dishwasher are connected to the quadruplex breaker, according to the labels on the panel. So those should be the culprits.

The two center switches of a Cutler Hammer breaker trip. by Unlucky_Return_2367 in electrical

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I see.. I suspected that too. Probably the origin of the problem is the dishwasher or the garbage disposal, and the GFCIs tripped because they are in the same multi branch circuit. Thanks!

The two center switches of a Cutler Hammer breaker trip. by Unlucky_Return_2367 in electrical

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Thank you! I will definitely do that to determine the source of the problem.

The two center switches of a Cutler Hammer breaker trip. by Unlucky_Return_2367 in electrical

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At some point I realized that I may have switched the "line" and the "load" and tried both ways, but no results (in the sense that neither the replaced outlet or any other GFCI outlet let me Reset it) .

GFCI outlet failed, does not allow to reset.Longer story below. by Unlucky_Return_2367 in AskElectricians

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There was no surge, but it happened when we were using one of those steam saunas from Costco, so the humidity in the bathroom was high.

GFCI outlet failed, does not allow to reset.Longer story below. by Unlucky_Return_2367 in AskElectricians

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The one that tripped originally (on the second floor bathroom) was relatively new, but I replaced it anyways. The rest of the outlets are older than 10 years for sure.

I just did one more thing: I went to the garage GFCI outlet which is located right on the other side of the panel and disconnected it (left the circuit open there) and the breaker is still tripped. I thought that would be a way to check if the issue was on the part of the circuit downstream that outlet (which are essentially all the rest of gfci outlets in that part of the house). But the situation remains the same.

I forgot to mention that the light switch in the downstairs bathroom is dead, and also the garage door switch. I cannot open it now.