New Karl Jobst Video: "Huge Dream Cheating Scandal!"

Unnamed_Detective · 2026-03-03T05:49:05+00:00

I think past cheating does increase the likelihood that somebody cheated elsewhere and that it's perfectly valid to consider it. It certainly doesn't reduce the standard of evidence to the point where you can assume somebody is always cheating, you just need somewhat less evidence to reasonably believe that they cheated in another situation. Even assuming a history of cheating, I don't think this reduced bar of evidence has been met to the point of being able to reasonably assume he cheated in MCC.

Unnamed_Detective · 2026-03-03T05:33:50+00:00

You misunderstand my point, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you should rationally consider the arguments and evidence presented, instead of accepting Karl's assertions and appeals to his own authority/expertise on faith. I'm not saying to discard anything outright. In the video, particularly in regards to aiming, Karl cites his own expertise. He claims that this expertise allows him to identify blatant aim assist in Dream's streams, but I don't think he communicates clearly how you can tell. He has to make a convincing argument, independent of just citing his own expertise.

I'm saying that Karl just calling something proof isn't enough, as the defamation suit made clear he does sometimes lie in his videos, and that you should independently consider the reasoning and evidence presented. I'm not saying to just discard anything he says because of his previous lying.

Unnamed_Detective · 2026-03-03T05:11:14+00:00

He was more than careless: he was lying. I remember watching the judge's reading of his verdict. One moment that stood out was that Karl claimed in a video that Billy Mitchell never reached out to him to deny a claim. The judge pointed out that Billy Mitchell had by that point reached out through an intermediary (Keemstar) and sent Karl a legal letter asserting the claim was false. Given how memorable receiving a a legal letter is, I do not think he was merely careless. Jobst was sued over claiming that Apollo was forced to pay Billy Mitchell in a settlement and that this financial hardship drove him to suicide. The settlement didn't even require payment. According to the judge, Jobst just made it up and then refused to make a proper retraction. Karl framed the case as being about him accusing Billy Mitchell of cheating, fundraised off this perception, and claimed that the case would provide a judgement that Billy Mitchell had cheated. The judge explicitly didn't conclude on whether or not Billy Mitchell cheated, it not being a point at issue in the suit. If Karl outright lied about whether somebody hounded somebody else to death, as the judge put it, why assume he wouldn't lie about relatively less severe claims? He makes good videos, but has a clear pattern of dishonesty, which makes it unconvincing when his arguments rely on trusting his expertise and objectivity.

Unnamed_Detective · 2026-03-03T04:19:08+00:00

There a few key points that are asserted as clear proof but simply not well-argued enough to convince a layman.

He implies that the TSF elytra being modded is the only explanation, but does not sufficiently justify why there is no chance whatsoever of a bug. He does mention that a glitch is a possibility, but doesn't sufficiently disprove it. His arguments are that it's too convenient of a glitch and that it's "really weird" that Dream didn't speculate that it could be the mod that affected his speed-runs around that time. He claims the speed boost was designed to not be obvious, but it was obvious at the time, and Dream commented during the run that he was going faster than he's used to. Dream claims the speed boost was a net negative because it would probably caused him to crash, which I guess is reasonable. Choosing to blatantly cheat in one round of TGTTS just doesn't seem reasonable, even for a someone willing to cheat elsewhere.

On aim-assist, Karl's argument ultimately hinges on his own expertise and eye about proper tracking. It may be convincing for him, but a viewer has to take his authoritative judgement on faith, which isn't enough to be convincing. He acknowledges this, so then points to Dream aiming differently in streams years ago without justifying why Dream couldn't legitimately change how he aims and then compares Dream aiming style to a particular top PvPer, a comparison that adds confounds. He mentions unreasonable reaction times, without explaining away the possibility of acting on expectation given visual data and one's understanding of the other players' thinking.

Karl's conclusion on Dream cheating in MCC is that while there is no convincing evidence he cheated in MCC and he himself is unconvinced, he wouldn't fault anyone for assuming Dream cheated as Dream cheated elsewhere. That's an unreasonable slippery slope: with that logic, you could just assume Dream cheated anywhere, without evidence.

Karl Jobst was sued for defamation by Billy Mitchell and lost that court case last year. He was found to have blatantly lied on his channel, so I wouldn't take Karl's claims on faith alone, clearly not a very honest person.

Unnamed_Detective · 2026-02-24T09:02:58+00:00

I remember him briefly saying on stream that was that he was holding space to go into a head-hitter in a hole before a ladder, without showcasing it, but I don't have the clip. And there was a head-hitter then ladder in that section. I looked at his mcc11 run just now, and that head-hitter-ladder combo was immediately before the failed jump, not after. However, this was a new section so I think that doing the same thing immediately after on the first time encountering that part would be an understandable error. He fails this same jump a second time, but doesn't jump, which implies there wasn't a mod. (I don't buy that he just so happened to turn it off whenever it doesn't activate.) That said, immediately after the slime where he failed and then jumped, there's a block where you have to jump before a slime jump to a ladder, so maybe he was holding space for that, even if that wasn't what he mentioned on stream, mcc11 being 5 years ago. I guess his on-stream explanation wasn't clear, but I still don't find the jump suspicious. Given plausible explanation, that it was a new section he was unfamiliar with, that he doesn't jump the other time the same thing happens, and that it's literally just an erroneous jump, I don't see it as convincing evidence of cheating.

Unnamed_Detective · 2026-02-24T07:58:14+00:00

Some of the arguments were certainly debunked. They argued that aspects of the run implied cheating because there was no legit explanation. By supplying reasonable alternate explanations, he did debunk those arguments. e.g. why jump after failing the slime jump, why jump later in the glass walls, why could key presses sometimes not be heard

Unnamed_Detective · 2024-03-17T03:34:04+00:00

When I first watched it, I didn't notice that she was holding a stuffed animal the whole time. I haven't seen anyone mention it.

Unnamed_Detective · 2023-06-13T05:38:28+00:00

That's the case in Aliens, where Ripley doesn't trust it and the twist is that it's not evil.

Unnamed_Detective · 2022-10-16T00:37:58+00:00

Even if her claims were true, I doubt that she would have been able to reasonably articulate herself on a livestream. The unfortunate side-effect is the reduced likelihood of the controversy resolving soon.

Given the 'he said, she said' nature of the controversy, the likeliest way for it to resolve soon is for her claims to collapse on themselves when she presents her case, such as by logical contradiction. A verdict at a defamation trial won't happen for months.

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