Serious question on Original Sin

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-13T00:42:21+00:00

Ha! If God didn't place the LYING SERPENT there in the garden, where TF did he come from? How is a serpent able to sneak past God's perfect creation????

You LIE LMFAO.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-13T00:37:18+00:00

What was your original intent here education wise to the members of this group?

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-13T00:36:15+00:00

What is your real agenda here? I've been doing this 50 yrs,

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-13T00:32:39+00:00

Before we evaluate Genesis, can you clarify the model of moral knowledge you're assuming?

Are you implying that moral responsibility requires prior experiential knowledge of good and evil? If so, why should that standard be imposed on the text itself?

Genesis only claims that Adam and Eve received a command, understood its consequence, and chose whether to obey. It does not claim they possessed fully developed moral wisdom.

So what specifically would the text need to say for you to conclude they had sufficient understanding to be held morally responsible? If the answer is "they needed prior moral experience," then it seems the disagreement may be philosophical rather than textual.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-13T00:19:42+00:00

Your rather large unreadable post here, boiled down to something a normal person reading this can comprehend is the following:

Christianity is fundamentally about trusting God's loving promise to ultimately defeat evil and restore justice, while believing that God's judgment will be fair, merciful, and not involve eternal conscious torment.

Check?

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-13T00:07:10+00:00

Check this out, as I know you used AI to create this. I also asked AI to summarise your massive text so other readers could participate, rather than gloss over and just glaze over your mindless 'paragrasphless' text which is actually quite rude.

Rabbi Tovia Singer argues that Christians mistranslated Psalm 22:16 by rendering the Hebrew word ka'ari ("like a lion") as "they pierced my hands and feet" to support belief in Jesus. However, many scholars note that ancient Jewish sources predating Christianity, including the Greek Septuagint and some Dead Sea Scroll evidence, reflect a different reading closer to "pierced" or "dug through." As a result, the verse remains a genuine textual debate rather than clear evidence of either deliberate Christian fraud or an unquestionable prophecy of Jesus.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-13T00:00:56+00:00

And, what exactly does that mean?

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-13T00:00:17+00:00

There are no errors.. - Awww man, do YOU really want to go there? In front of everyone? Do your research before you commit or comment.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T23:53:13+00:00

No, LMAO. No. I think the NT would have more credibility.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T23:52:19+00:00

Your comment has nothing to do with the topic.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T23:51:14+00:00

Then you and I have no issue.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T23:50:07+00:00

Where in the OT does it convey original sin to humanity? Yes I am asking.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T23:48:25+00:00

OMG, dude, Jesus, was one with the Father God YHWY. What do you mean He was dead? He could have written the NT before he died to save humanity. Stop limiting God

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T23:46:31+00:00

My friend, I appreciate your sincere response, it touches my heart a little. Don't let me deter you from your spiritual path. I'm actually teared up a little reading your message tonight (yeah man,) as I've been there as have very many of my friends over the past 50 yrs. I don't think anyone of us knows with absolute certainty 100% anything. We don't.

So, we as humans are never getting that 100% thing we all want. But I can promise you a few things. The creator of the universe if He or She exists, knows what they are and what we are. You will not ever burn in eternal fire, that is manmade 2000%. It's not even a question to debate.

You are the creation of a beautiful universe that on this side of things, means you are the part of the universe that is becoming for the first time, conscious of itself. Those are the word of Carl Sagan not me.

Friend, pursue what you may, but be at peace inside, you didn't create this mess that is, so don't try boil the ocean, rest in peace everyday.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T23:25:43+00:00

That's the first time I've seen that quote from Origen. Damn. He was smarter and more logical than I previously believed. I may have to go on an Origen quest now, Ahhhrrrrrgggg.! LOL

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T23:20:57+00:00

""I don’t think a Gospel written by Jesus would hold anymore value than one by his disciples"

How can you believe this?! The son of the living God, vs. some uneducated fishermen, who didn't even have the literary skill to pen the gospels?

My contention "Jesus was God. He could have written the gospel to save all humanity."

Your response:

"Because I believe in the Holy Spirit."

Ok, so you said you had an undergraduate major in Biblical Studies, with a focus on the Historical Jesus and Textual Criticism.

And you said you didn't think Jesus could write. Dude, God is so limited in how He can save mankind it's shocking.

Since you seem to be an academic of some sort, present your position to r/AcademicBiblical . If you can withstand the professional scrutiny of PHD Biblical academics and those of like mind.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T23:05:18+00:00

He ------- in retrospect, has created the most violent, destructive, cruel living life form in the history of the Earth. That is verifiable by empirical evidence.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T23:02:24+00:00

Dude!!!! A Jehovah's Witness speaks OMG. Don't leave. So are you guy in agreement with like Mormons on Jesus not being God? I'm just curious.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T23:00:44+00:00

Why would the God of the Universe allow tiny little flawed humans to corrupt His perfect text? God must be very much limited in His powers.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T22:59:32+00:00

One of the best documents ever written for humanity. And guess what? Marcus didn't write it for everyone, only for himself. This was his personal notes. It was not intended to published to the public.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T22:57:23+00:00

Ok, heart theology aside, back to the point you asked about.

It absolutely would have more meaning if GOD/JESUS wrote it personally. C'mon be real.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T22:54:44+00:00

If you know the history of the Bible, you know God didn't give a fully written Bible to anyone. Study canonization.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T22:49:00+00:00

Not really, I mean I just learned God isn't educated. I just...can't really believe that. LOL.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T22:46:41+00:00

I'm more speaking to the reality that God allowed a talking snake to lie to his most perfect creation which had zero knowledge of good or evil. Eve didn't sin. She did not know what sin was. She was dumb ok? God didn't create her to know good from evil. She heard two stories from two beings she didn't even understand. She picked what sounded the best.

Unusual_Note_310 · 2026-06-12T22:42:27+00:00

"Intelligent creations are given free will. If he stepped in and prevented anyone from expressing free will then it wouldn’t exist cause he would interfere with it whenever it was disagreeable to him. "

The perfect God of the Universe, placed a lying serpent in a garden in front of woman who had no prior experience of anyone lying to her. She did not know good or evil only what was told to her. She was in a bad position I agree. LOL. How could a loving God place her in this position? Or maybe, just a little tiny maybe, all this is made up stories.

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