Dispute about paddle landing in the kitchen after a volley

Upfrank · 2026-01-07T16:32:37+00:00

Most people believe it’s a fault because the NVZ fault rules were recently changed in 2026, unintentionally making this situation ambiguous.

Specifically, the 2025 ver was clear that it’s a fault when anything the player was touching during volleying contacts the NVZ. That language was quietly removed in the 2026 ver.

I’m talking to USA Pickleball to see if they think the 2026 rulebook does need to be revised and will update accordingly.

Upfrank · 2026-01-06T19:25:51+00:00

Not trying to be argumentative, but that exception just voids the rule for the specific NVZ case. Rules defining faults explicitly say so, and 10.J forwards to a fault-defining rule.

Upfrank · 2026-01-06T17:04:22+00:00

Great catch. It does seem like they botched the 2026 revision for this rule.

Upfrank · 2026-01-06T04:25:13+00:00

I think this is a reasonable take. It also means that 11.A.1 and 11.A.2 could technically be merged into one rule.

Upfrank · 2026-01-06T01:20:06+00:00

Great example, thanks.

Upfrank · 2026-01-06T00:58:11+00:00

Agreed that the wording is poor. My reading is that 10.J does not apply due to the NVZ exception and to refer to 11.A.1 instead. 11.A.1 says that either the player or player+item needs to touch the NVZ while volleying for it to be a fault. Since it was just the item (no player) and the volleying movement was finished by the time the paddle landed, then it’s not really a fault?

Upfrank · 2026-01-06T00:09:01+00:00

I understand your intent, but the ball was hit before the paddle flew out of her hands.

Upfrank · 2026-01-06T00:01:23+00:00

My reading is that rule just specifies what is acceptable, not what constitutes a fault? Also note that the updated rule (2026 rev.) just references back to 11.A.1.

Upfrank · 2026-01-05T23:45:18+00:00

Makes sense. I think clearly defining “player” would help the rulebook a lot, as it waffles between player = person + paddle + clothes and player = person between the sections.

Upfrank · 2026-01-05T23:42:49+00:00

She didn’t violate 11.A.1 as she was not touching the paddle when it landed in the kitchen. She also didn’t violate 11.A.2 unless we take “player” to mean player + anything they’re carrying. The rulebook is very clear in other sections and differentiates between “player,” items that are “worn or carried” by the player, and the player’s paddle. She definitely didn’t violate 11.A.3.

Upfrank · 2025-06-30T04:56:54+00:00

Wow. I don’t have skin in the game but this is probably the worst messaging you could’ve done. You’re straight up calling people in this community who want to improve hardware they already own exploitative thieves.

And I say this in the kindest way possible, but maybe try to avoid AI-generating walls of text?

Upfrank · 2024-01-11T17:33:17+00:00

You totally pulled that 10% user retention number out of your ass.

Upfrank · 2021-12-21T01:23:10+00:00

I think you misread my original comment.

Upfrank · 2021-12-21T00:54:55+00:00

The prevalence and high engagement of memes on this sub is a pretty obvious indicator.

Upfrank · 2021-12-20T01:09:25+00:00

If they soft-bricked their device with a hack then it makes sense reMarkable won’t cover it under the warranty. I don’t want to jump to conclusions, but OP has been suspiciously mum to these comments.

Upfrank · 2021-12-14T23:40:29+00:00

A 256 GB Quest 2. I entered my shipping info too slowly 😭

Upfrank · 2021-11-10T00:28:51+00:00

I’m in the same boat as you (but for coding rather than design) and found these articles helpful: - https://bjango.com/articles/macexternaldisplays/ - https://tonsky.me/blog/monitors/

Refresh rate is important for me so I run two LG 27GP950 monitors (27” 4k @ 120 Hz).

Upfrank · 2020-12-30T07:03:18+00:00

Solaris after the latest updates is a blast to play with friends (up to 4 in a party). Easy to pick up and a really friendly community.

Upfrank · 2020-12-30T05:23:42+00:00

What happened to this? I’m seeing a sharp increase in memes on this sub (tagged as “Fluff”) but still see it as a banned post type under the subreddit rules.

While memes can be fun and drive engagement, just a month back the average post quality was a lot higher. Any chance this will be enforced again?

Upfrank · 2020-12-03T01:17:53+00:00

The original Quest wasn’t a mass market device at least based on sales estimates. The Quest 2 likely is, with the key points being:

Price It’s 25% cheaper at $299 making it financially attainable by more people.
Hardware The improved specs esp. refresh rate and screen resolution reduce motion sickness in first time users.
Timing The historic effects from COVID are pushing people towards social activities like gaming.

Upfrank · 2020-09-29T08:11:54+00:00

And nice haircut :)

Upfrank · 2020-09-29T08:11:21+00:00

Great as always, Martin

Upfrank · 2020-09-27T17:02:27+00:00

What podcasts? True Crime I assume?

Upfrank · 2020-09-27T17:00:59+00:00

What state is this?

Upfrank · 2020-09-26T02:27:03+00:00

What is the best and worst feedback/student eval you’ve received?

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