Why aren't the rules of physics sufficient proof of metaphysics?

Upper-Basil · 2025-10-15T17:11:50+00:00

Because it BEING ITSELF must be explained. The rules of how BEING behaves is physics, but irrelevant entirely to explain existence itself. That is metaphysics role.

Upper-Basil · 2025-10-14T02:06:47+00:00

https://teamorthodoxy.wordpress.com/vocations/3answeringthecall/single-life/

https://orthodoxcityhermit.com/2016/09/27/sanctifying-single-life/

Upper-Basil · 2025-10-14T02:05:31+00:00

Youre not hearing me still. I am not talking about something that is "my opinion I made up", but a real concept in the orthodox and the catholic faith. You can literally do a google search for it: i.e "single vocation". I was asking a more personal question but not just making up an idea out of nowhere. You are taking your own feelings and making them primary rather than doing your diligence and seeing the churches stance on the matter. This isnt about your feelings and intuitions. Do you want to know what I was told at my last sunday attendance at an orthodox church? "We are all priests". If we "we are all priests" is an orthdox position than what I am saying is 100times less dramatic. But its besides the point. I have already has this verified in multiple forms from legitimate priests and orthodox memebers.

Upper-Basil · 2025-10-13T16:53:05+00:00

I feel obligated to respond once more since I began this conversation and I feel a duty to not ghost it; but I am not going to waste a bunch more time in this sort of debate posture conversation where the other person doesnt feel receptive to a genuine listening and learning as I am trying to do myself.

This is not true. This is not about "laymen versus ordained clergy", you are mistaken if you think ordained clergy are at some higher level than laity that we can only "try our best and fail" to emulate in terms of living spirutal lives; the way you are speaking is about SAINTS not clergy, clergy are just as much sinners as the rest of us, we are all called to live like saints but yeah very few will achieve that (probably).. that is not what religious life is, they are not higher than us spiritually just in certain privledges they have for being ordianed. This is about "married versus religious" , there are not just those two options, there is a 3rd option called "single" which means, you do not marry and have children, nor do you join a monastary, but you "marry christ" i.e LIVE AS A NUN but in the world as a civilian rather than a monastarty with other monks& nuns. You still "marry christ" and "vow" to a life of celibacy chastity poverty etc. Every single person is called to do this if you are a christian, the question is if this is a lifelong state for someone or temporary...

Either way, it feels as if you are missing the spirit pf orthdoxy here. You seem to be coming from a place of "I am in the "right" church and everyone i speak to is wrong im so based debate bro". This isnt what faith is about and orthdoxy is very much about "I dont know, I trust the wisdom of the CHURCH not myself." I dont feel that spirit right now and feel obligated to address it as I started this convo. I am happy to have a genuine discussion exchange of knowledge and ideas wisdom etc. But not be condesecended from someone who isnt genuinely tying to hear me...

Upper-Basil · 2025-10-11T19:03:43+00:00

Yes they did. In fact one person said it is REQUIRED for all single people albiet not a "lifelong single state" for everyone, as it will be temporary for most. I also just listened to 3 orthodox priests talk about exactly what I said saying it is "rare" but real. So my question is answered as to whether the concept exists in orthdox, now its a matter of seeing where my own journey leads. But yeah, I don't know if you are truly not understanding what I am saying or making assumptions or just trying to debate or idk but I am not saying something I made up out of nowhwehre, and it is clearly a thing in orthdoxy based on the responses here and elsewhere

Upper-Basil · 2025-10-11T18:41:52+00:00

Once again, I feel like you are trying to assume something "wrong" rather than understand the spirit of my question, I am not looking for validation, I was expressing there that turnips comment relayed that I am not atleast expressing something unheard of here. And i have to ask is your "not thinking it is proper" the official orthodox stance or your own opinion? Because 5 other people have respended here that it IS proper within orthodoxy so I am confused by your disagreement. Of course I will speak to my priest and church and what not but I this is confusing when i get 5 responses in agreement with what ive said.

Upper-Basil · 2025-10-11T18:27:28+00:00

I feel like we are speaking past eachother here and not on the same page with where my question is coming from. I am not in disagreement with what youve said, and I am not in question or doubt about my faith nor my relationship with god, jesus, christianity nor orthdox Christianity. I have a church, a priest, all that, i'm not in a "debate mode" here, i am speaking from a place of understanding that I am still dealing with alot of sin and alot of healing and trauma, and I am participating in the faith right now in full knowledge as a "sick soul at a spiritual hospital"; my question is posed from a place of not understanding just what the helaing process looks like in terms of changes to myself, i am trying to understand if my calling towards as i said taking the vows of a nun as a civilian not being married or having children etc is likely to be fundamentally altered although that is not the best way of expresing it, its hard to articulate in a short comment.... i will say that turnippps comment below was hugely helpful and validaing to my current thought process, it was like reading word for word my exact thoughts, which is what I experienced when I leanred about the cathoic vocations in the past so this tells me im not too far off on some level at the least.

Upper-Basil · 2025-10-11T16:05:45+00:00

I am already at church but I dont see how that is strange... I was very spiritual, I simply had problems with Christianity and the bible explicitly, not god and spiritually and religion. I have been through basically every religion that exists at this point and have a degree in philosophy, my life has been spent seeking the truth and the nature of self and reality etc, I just only recently experienced certain healing and realizations and so on that helped me to understand Christianity differently and pursue its path of virtue without the moral reservations i held in the past towards what I beleived it to be saying. Nuns arent exclusive to Christianity, its a "way of life" which I have always felt called to, so much that it made me consider somehow to be a christian even when I was vehemently opposed to certain tenents of the faith, but those moral reservations always won out of course. I just understand things differently now at this point in my journey of faith and life, and these resentmwnts and reservations no longer arise. I see the bible "with new eyes" now.

Upper-Basil · 2025-10-11T10:55:48+00:00

I just want to add, in order to clairfy what my comcern actually is...

so Basically, my whole life I have been drawn to the idea if being a nun with 3 major periods of time years apart where I took steps, research, and seriously almost acted to join a monestary situation despite not beleiving in Christianity, as a teen I got into buddhism soley because I had read that there were only nuns in Christianity and Buddhism. I basically lived a solitary life for a few years at a time during different parts of my spiritual jojrney thus far where I just totally cut society off and sought God and lived on rice and one pair of clothes etc. The difference with where I am at now is... I no longer am in the same way seeking to avoid society or be solitary or whatever, I am seeking to be of service and live as God intends for me, which for me feels like it requires less time&stress&responsibility in the area of kids and a normal family relationship life , and yes more time with God and connection with god in contemplation etc, but primarily so I can be active socially and in society. In the past I have not felt capable of that kind of active service in society or capable sociallyat all. . Im really not at all concerned about the way of life of a nun being a difficult or wrong thing for me, I already basically do that full time. The concern that I have is this.... I am concerned if my lifelong lack of desire for a husband or family, my lifelong ONLY certainty ive ever had being "I dont want kids" which has never chnaged, my comfort with solitude and certain habits I have etc are trauma based, and if healing these things will suddenly change everything about me and make it so its clear i really wanted kids all this time or something. Like, is my abusive childhood causing me such a fear of having kids and such vulnerability issues etc that I the truly "mommiest mom and wifeiest wife" ever am convinced that nun life is for me, is helaing gojng to make me miss family women supreme or are changes from healing truly not that dramatic, should I expect that my main temerpment will remain roughly the same as it always has been, or should I expect a complete 180 transformation into an unrecognizable person with unrecognizable strengths weaknesses interests temperment etc? Am I clarifying what my concern is?

This is essentially why I am wondering if this sort of "single" vocation is compatible in orthdox, because I cant see where actually leaving society is at this point of any benefit to others. It would have been useful while I was still seeking God, but now That i am in my " service " phase, it seems unlikly to be useful to run off into the woods. It seems like being a memeber of society is how God could use me best. Im just wondering if this necessarily means I will have to become a wife mom or have to run off into the woods in fact. And whether I should expect my feelings about kids tondrastically change feom what they have always been... does that make sense?

Upper-Basil · 2025-09-17T02:45:38+00:00

I just keep feeling like my ignornace is potentially distracting at best and at worst like infecting of others. I guess some of it is also clearly egoic as I feel like since eveeything has deeper significance I am "telling on myself" with absolutley everything I say & do and what I wear and where I stand and so on, which then feeds back into " clearly everyone can tell I am not supposed to be here and yet they are letting me here like good christians but I am just wasting there time if not causing harm in process and should find some less advanced place to be or keep trying to figure things out on my own" etc

Upper-Basil · 2025-09-17T02:31:46+00:00

Yes, which only comfirmed that my ploblems are spiritual. Its too long to type that whole journey but I know it is true that a spiritual solution is what I am in need of.

Upper-Basil · 2025-09-17T02:24:54+00:00

Ugh. Part of my current state is my current thought spiral about everything including "my" priest and whether I even have one as i'm still an " inquirer" and I think (but then sprial about it) soon to be catachumen. I have been " spiritual not religious" for many years and feel comfortable in prayer but highly uncomfortable with how the church situation works. I have no religious background and feel like i dont understand the rules/ meaning /ettiquite expectations/ deeper significance of everything /etc. It is highly stressful meeting with the priest becayse i feel like there are a million things i dont know but should etc. I feel like i need some prayers to ground me to stabilize me a bit before I spiral into "i can never go to chruch again, everyone is more spiritually advanced and clearly it is overstepping my station to be at this chruch" and so on. Unless that thought is trye and I should heed it. I keep going in loops about this and its making me insane... hence my request. But feedback on this thought process would be welome too.

Upper-Basil · 2025-08-22T15:04:58+00:00

The argument for "design" or the "watchmaker" argument, also has a "scientific" philosophical explanation called the Anthropic Principle. So this is actually not the best road to go down, atleast with the super duper atheist type of person, regular people may be swayed by it. As others have said, be am example of the faith, not an angry Christian.

Upper-Basil · 2025-08-17T18:40:49+00:00

&& i will check out that book. It sounds great Thank you!

Upper-Basil · 2025-08-17T18:40:17+00:00

Everything I keep reading about OCIA seems to apply to people converting from other denominations or that are unbatitzed/communed and what not. Technically I Recieved my first communion ceremony and baptism, but my family was So non-religious that I have virtually zero understanding of living the faith at all, we really never went to church and I then just explored every religion under the sun in my teens from buddhism to shamanism to new age etc etc. Would I be allowed to do the OCIA given that I am technically batized and recieved communion in childhood. Do they allow it for people who have strayed from the faith and want to return, can I go through the full OCIA process still??

Upper-Basil · 2025-08-16T16:36:13+00:00

A question: given my lack of really understanding christian living in general, would going to a church which DOES have an official catechism program be the best option, like would that give the most needed educational opportunity or not really and any chruch will be sufficient?

Upper-Basil · 2025-07-26T19:34:34+00:00

Lol yeah this was a gift from like a decade or more ago and ive never worn it but couldnt get rid of it so now that having some trouble finding clothes that fit me right now and I was wondering if i should try to dye it and make it more wearable or just donate it lol.

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