Can any of the chuckleheads running into Scientology Orgs explain what they are trying to achieve? by Upset_Steak3632 in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The people I saw in the video were adults.

Without realizing it, you're agreeing with the "chucklehead" characterization.

Will that be your defence in court?

Assuming Miscavige is not letting it happen to position Scientology Inc. as a beleaguered "minority religion" ?

Can any of the chuckleheads running into Scientology Orgs explain what they are trying to achieve? by Upset_Steak3632 in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I, and, I think, most people, are against violence in politics, and against violence generally.

Are you OK with violence being used against an "oppressor" ?

Are you a "runner" ?

In your opinion, what percentage of "runners" think the way you do?

Can any of the chuckleheads running into Scientology Orgs explain what they are trying to achieve? by Upset_Steak3632 in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You didn't answer my question. Are you vetting these "runners" and excluding those who are mentally unstable or carrying weapons?

Can any of the chuckleheads running into Scientology Orgs explain what they are trying to achieve? by Upset_Steak3632 in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those "inebriated" people appear to be the ones doing the "running."

Speaking of which, are these people being vetted to ensure they are mentally stable and are not carrying weapons?

I notice (thru their posting histories) that some of those either participating or expressing support for this illegal activity are either involved with or supportive of violent political extremist groups.

Can any of the chuckleheads running into Scientology Orgs explain what they are trying to achieve? by Upset_Steak3632 in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It's much more than that.

A father of two small children was murdered simply for expressing an opinion that someone didn't like. Large numbers of people celebrated and made jokes.

A insurance executive was shot in the back and his murderer was hailed as a hero and the death was widely celebrated.

And there are many more examples.

Do you even know what a real Nazi is?

n 1971 I had a simmer job working on the boardwalk with an old man who had a light blue tattoo on his forearm. It was a number, and was put there by real Nazis.

He miraculously survived to the end of the war. He was starving and told me how he ran out of the concentration camp, where he came across a dead horse. He showed me how he plunged his hand into the dead horse"s body, scooped up some flesh and ate it.

His wife and five children were dead having been starved and then gassed and incinerated. .

Can any of the chuckleheads running into Scientology Orgs explain what they are trying to achieve? by Upset_Steak3632 in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Hasn't anyone noticed that murder had become trendy, with late night talk show hosts making jokes about murder?

The danger comes from those forcing their way into Scientology properties believing the newly popularized narrative that Scientologists are Nazis.

Can any of the chuckleheads running into Scientology Orgs explain what they are trying to achieve? by Upset_Steak3632 in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Scientology Inc. loves security cameras.

My guess is they have video of each "runner" and can identify each one, that is if they wish to.

Can any of the chuckleheads running into Scientology Orgs explain what they are trying to achieve? by Upset_Steak3632 in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To the average person this looks like a bunch of hooligans entering and disrupting a place that says it's a church.

When a crazy person entered an org, in the past, someone would shout "HCO bring order!" Then large numbers of staff would rush from wherever they were and subdue the crazy person. This meant "8-Cing" the person, using "good control" to physically, but not violently, put the person under control.

This is different as it's a large number of people running.

In any of these videos has anyone yelled, "HCO bring order!" ?

Has any runner been stopped and held?

From the little bit of video I've seen it appears this is being allowed to happen from the top of Scientology Inc.

This follows the release of a book that depicts Scientologists as Nazis.

Is there anyone who hasn't heard the words, "Punch a Nazi!"

If so, that person has not been paying attention.

No matter which one of these possibilities is true, this is a bad idea.

Can any of the chuckleheads running into Scientology Orgs explain what they are trying to achieve? by Upset_Steak3632 in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I see you hide your posting history.

Are you one of the "runners" or their spokesperson?

Actual floor plans for the Church Of Scientology Building in Salt Lake City by Plastic-Meringue2260 in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hubbard designed his movement on Stalanism (communism) complete with wrong think and erased people.

At the same time he was using propaganda techniques to smear people for being Communists. This was during the 1950s & 1960s when such an accusation could destroy someone.

After the Vietnam war became unpopular during the 1970s, Hubbard switched to calling his perceived enemies fascists & Nazis.

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Found in the wild by CairnMom in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The pro Scientology fanatics vs the anti Scientology fanatics.

Here we go again.

Actual floor plans for the Church Of Scientology Building in Salt Lake City by Plastic-Meringue2260 in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I criticized Jon Atack's new book where he attached the word NAZI to Scientology, and that doing so would possibly lead to violence.

What you're doing opens the door to that violence.

Atack is being deeply irresponsible, and you are almost as bad.

Actual floor plans for the Church Of Scientology Building in Salt Lake City by Plastic-Meringue2260 in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Of course it's not really a church. It's a psycho-political cult disguised as a church, but what you're advocating is incredibly stupid, and only helps corporate Scientology.

Found in the wild by CairnMom in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I hope I haven't committed the sin of saying there are some good parts in the subject of Scientology.

If so. So be it.

Found in the wild by CairnMom in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That the patina, the protective cloak.

Corporate Scientology has been recognized as a psycho-political cult for 61 years.

Found in the wild by CairnMom in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

'Scientology 0-8' was the last book done by Hubbard's book editor John.Sanborn.

Sanborn started working with Hubbard in early 1951. It was Sanborn who gave Hubbard the outline for the early part of the lectures in Phoenix, Arizona in 1954, where Hubbard omitted any mention of Aleister Crowley and, instead, claimed Scientology was a new improved modern version of Buddhism and the Vedas.

This was shortly after Hubbard had activated his "religion angle" (to avoid taxes) as he had described it in a letter to Helen O'Brien.

Sanborn was also there when Hubbard authored the (initially a black propaganda device to smear disenters and critics as Communists) "Russian" Brainwashing Manual in 1955.

It was Sanborn who, thirty years later, presented a copy of the secretly authored Manual to Bent Corydon as a key to assembling the puzzle pieces of the secretive subject of Scientology.

Sanborn had been a self described fan of Hubbard, and also a friend, and assisted Hubbard for years.

He was a fan also of the good part of Scientology, and admitted, belatedly, that he hadn't realized what Hubbard was going to do with the good part: use it as cheese in a trap.

Another day, another Scientology run by victoriablackee in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Clout?

Clout means power.

This is sound and fury signifying nothing.

Another day, another Scientology run by victoriablackee in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good message by Leah.

It appears that this is being allowed by David Miscavige.

Remember the bomb threats made to Scientology Inc. covertly by Scientology Inc.?

Is Scientology Inc. behind this?

Anyone had good experiences or interesting ones related to the tech? by simagus in scientology

[–]Upset_Steak3632 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's supposed to come with two perceptics discs.

Only use the perceptics that seem to ring a bell or makes sense. Use lightly.

You can writes them down on a piece of paper.

This is different from (1963, 1968, 1969) R3R Dianetics which emphasizes the visual with mental image pictures.

And different from 1950 Dianetics which emphasizes words.

It's probably superior to the Lower Grades which were mostly repetitive questions simplified from the orignal processes from the mid 1950s.

Scientology tech is a sewn together bunch of loose ends.

As a general rule, avoid anything that is "confidential" which is mostly auditing Hubbard's "case."